S123: Catching up with Lee Wood's (Bigfoot , Dogman , Ghosts, Uwharrie, Boggy Creek)

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something that would be in the context of The Superior, described as being a great film looking, upright, bipedal creatures, dragging a deer out of that cave, going up the hill. I got a question for you. Do you believe in demons? And it takes one big step and vanishes. I'm like, oh, my God, that was a big step. Look at these pictures of this white creature. Something seven foot, three to eight foot tall, and this bear was standing on his hind leg, and he was running like a man. Now, when it stood up, that's when I knew it was a dog in.

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Welcome back to the Kentucky X Files. This is episode 23 and Full Circle. We are getting back on our first ever guest, Lee Woods, checking in with the Lee. Yeah, he has a couple of things that he is going to talk to us about. He has some research that he's been mulling over for the last couple, like six, seven months since we talked to him last. Also, too, I'm pretty sure, if I'm not mistaken, I think his coffee business actually took off pretty well. So hopefully he'll tell us more about that because I've tried it. It's really good. It's really good. I don't want to gush about it, but I'm sure I will at some point. Yeah, definitely. I've drank so much of that stuff. He doesn't stop talking about it. It's so good. It's just really good. Honestly, it's like when we first started this out and when you're okay, I don't know if anybody's been through this before, but hey, when you're a brand new podcast, it's hard to get any kind of credit, you know what I mean? With anybody. Nobody knows you, nobody trusts you. They think they're going to talk to you and you're going to spin their words around, which couldn't be further from the truth. So Lee took a big chance with us. He took a big chance, and I'm excited to hear what he's got, what has happened since. So without further ado, I think we should just give him a call. Yeah, let's give him a call. Let's bug Lee. Let's just bug him.

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Hello? Hello? Hey, there we are. You got the bug? Yeah, I hear you good now. Okay. Sorry about that, man. My phone is a huge piece of shit. Oh, no, it happens, man. Trust me. It was just weird. It was just weird. It was just like static. That's all I could hear. And then you were just like I couldn't hear you at all. Sorry about that, man. We've been expecting my phone to die at some point, and it finally just happened. We're just blame it on the government. There you go. So, yeah, man, what's been going on? In your neck of the woods, brother? Well, not a whole lot, really, in my neck of the woods. We're still out there doing research. The main thing that's happened down here is it's been several weeks ago, tasha was down here because we do the Woods Walker coffee together. Yeah. And we was down in West Morris, and we were just looking to where we had when her daughter was down here, her daughter wanted to do some YouTube videos with me, so I did with her. And she had put out, like, a jar of peanut butter, and she put out this little bitty stuffed animal, which was a little dog up on the stunt. Yeah. So me and her, when Toss was down here, we went back out there and checked. The peanut butter was gone, as usual, and the little stuffed animal was gone. So we walked up in there a little ways, and all of a sudden, up on this heel to the left hand side of us, we heard movement. And I don't know, it was maybe 15, 20 seconds later, we heard something coming through coming through the trees like a baseball. Just that sound coming through the trees. Oh, shit. Yeah. And we had a very large rock. And when I say a large rock, it was about the size of a small bowl. That's how big it was. Okay. He had some weight to it, too. It came through the trees and hit the ground and made that loud and just rolled down the hill. And we went over there, and I actually did a video. It's on my YouTube page. Okay. But we went over there and done, like, a recreation with throwing the rock up in the air so we can hear the loud food. Yeah, but yeah, that's not the main thing that's happened down there, but in my area anyway. But I've been so busy with our coffee going out, promoting the sale and setting up and stuff, I just really haven't had a lot of time doing research. I'll tell you what, I have researched your coffee pretty extensively. That is really good. Thank you, man. I appreciate that. The coffee is taking off pretty good. We got our dark roast. We got our medium roast. Oh, my God. We actually got a new blend coming out, hopefully next month, but we just created a Woods Walker candles, too, so we're making candles now. No kidding. Awesome. Yes, sir. But other than that, as far as the research, probably the best thing that's done so far is vintage. Went to Monstermart in Pal carkinson. The gentleman who owns Denny Roberts, we talked to him, and he wanted to carry our coffee inside the store, which I thought was great. Boggy Creek. Yeah. That's amazing. If you go up there, our coffee, I think it's still sitting in the same section. Our coffee is sitting right beside Loud Blackburn's monster sauce. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, we that is really cool. That is really cool, man. So glad to get up there. Thank you, man. And so we went up there and when we got up here, Denny told us he said yeah, he said about, I think he said it was like three weeks prior to us getting up there that there had been a juvenile sighting. And he's like really? He said, yeah, he said there was juvenile sighting and he told us where it was at. But where was that was on private property, where to this day, the people actually still have the creature on the land, but they won't let anybody go out there because they've been real few made fun of. Yeah. They just want to buy on the property. I understand that. They don't matter. You say big, but people just think you're crazy. Oh, yeah. So we went out to Boggy Creek. We looked around out there a little bit, but he told us another area, which was between Boggy Creek and the Sulfur river. So we went out there and there's this long dirt slashgraval road which goes a good way. Then it cuts back to the right and it goes like this big circle drive, and you come right back out the same way you went in. Okay. So we thought we just got to look around, do some research. So as we're going out there, on the right hand side, it's just like a little bit of pull off. It's just like a little embankment. It's maybe, I don't know, maybe 35, 40ft long. It's real big. There was a dead bore laying out there and it was laying, like, right next to the edge of the water, which I call the bog. Because when you're on that road, literally, the bog is on both sides. Okay. Yeah. Now, Denny had told us that there's crops or alligators or calls they're after. Right? Right. So when we first saw it, I told Tasha, I'm going to do a video about this because we wouldn't expect to find that. That was the last time I was expecting to find that's. Got to be creepy too, walking up on it. And it was a good sized board because, I mean, I bet he was oh, Lord, he had to be close. £200. It's a good size. But when we went out and looked at it, I got to look at it and I told her, I said, you know one thing, it's obvious. I said, it wasn't a croc or a gator that killed the same. Because anybody knows if a gator or croc gets a hold of you, it's going to drag you into water. You ain't going to see it no more. That's the end of it. They're not going to throw it back up on shore and let you look at it. Right. It wasn't killed by a bear. It wasn't killed by a cougar. And I looked at it pretty good. Pretty good detail. I can see what was left of it, which there was a good deal left of it. There was no gunshots in it whatsoever. It had no pull of holes in it. So it wasn't just shot and killed and put out there. That's one thing I can say. That video is on my YouTube page, too. Okay. I'll definitely check that out. Yeah, it's definitely on there. But when you look at it, when you see the stomach of it in person, it looked like the stomach had been literally just like ripped out. Okay, now what was weird about that was it didn't look like I said, it didn't look like it had been bit by crock or gator. There was like no puncture wounds. Like they ripped it open. It looked like something to me. It looked like something had just literally drove its hands into the stomach and just pulled back. That's what looked like. Wow. Yeah. And the test, they were gone. They were missing. Like something had ripped him out of his mouth. What was weird about that was not too far from where that bore that we found wasn't too far from where that juvenile sighting had been. Okay. So we found that, and that same night, we set up there at the end of that little road. And I said, we're going to do some audio. We just sit down and listen. Yeah. So we're sitting there listening. And from the right hand side of the car, I had my digital recorder set out there so I could listen a little bit. We just after a long because he was trying to find a flash state. So we'd been out there maybe 2025 minutes, and all of a sudden we started hearing movement coming out of the bog. And I'll tell you right now, I had never been to Boggy Creek in my life. And I was so excited to be there. And I can't wait to go back and do some research. But dude, it is creepy. When I say creepy, I mean creepy. Oh, God. Because it's black, man. I mean, the stars were out, but it was pitch black, man. We couldn't see her sitting in the car. It was dark. So dark, man. So we're sitting there. It was creepy, man. I mean, some could have walked up on you could walk right in front of the car. You never even seen it. But anyway, so we're sitting there and I listened to the audio, and all of a sudden on the right hand side, because that's where I headed to the corner on the right hand side, we started hearing I don't know how to describe it. It was like something was making a weird call. Okay. It was kind of like try. It was like kind of like that. Okay. It wasn't no bird. I can say that right now. Because he had a vocal tone to it. He done that like maybe twice. And then we heard what sounded almost like a child out there. Now, where we were sitting there, it's just nothing but swamp and bog. There's no houses nowhere around, so there's nobody out there. And if there was, trust me, you could hear them or see them, that'd be no problem. So we heard what sounded like a small child, and then it done that little crowd again. And when it did, something answered it. And that was the weird part. You got a response. Oh, shit. So we're sitting there listening to that, and then all of a sudden, we start hearing that branches start breaking out in the swamp like something's coming through there. And we heard that. And I'm trying to think, let's see what else on that. Let's see. Heard something in the water moving around. It could have been a beaver for all I know. But the beaver didn't make that yell and sound like a child. Your response definitely was not that. Are they even active at night? Oh, yeah, dude. We saw one on the flare out the side window, and it's Sarah Tasha. She thought Bigfoot was actually coming up in the car. She saw it because I got a lot to you. We were sitting there. She's like, oh, my God. What is that? What is that? And I said, what? And I couldn't see it. She said, right down to the abatement, she said she said, there's something bigger at the abatement. I tell her that. I'm right there with her. I would have probably started freaking out right about then myself. I tell you right now what was weird about man when I saw it, and it's no lie when I saw it through the flare, because I had to lean overlook. When I saw it through the flare, my first reaction was, oh, my God. It looked like maybe like a juvenile. It stood up from behind. It had built like a damp, like a beaver dam there, which we couldn't see because it was dark. We saw it the next day, but it stood up. No lie. This thing stood up. And when it did, it looked like a head and shoulders, and it was moving from side to side like a human would. But then it turned. And when it turned, it dropped down. I saw the tail come on there, so I knew what it was then. If it had never turned, you would have thought it was a baby. Bigfoot looking right at you. See the shoulders, like, sweating the shoulders back and forth like it was dancing, man. I would have been sitting there. I would have been sitting there going, please be a beaver. Please be a beaver. Please be a beaver. Eat a beaver, save a tree. But like I said, we saw that. And then right after that, we left there. And the next day, we went out. We were doing some research, looking around, and we found what looked like a possible three towed track. We found that, and then we went back to another area, and that's when we actually come across a track that was able to cast, and it's on the YouTube page, too. So we found a track out there. We found that dead bore. We caught some audio out there at Boggy Creek. It's a sulfur. No kidding. There is one thing that I do want to tell you. Going to Boggy Creek was fascinating, don't get me wrong. And I cannot wait to go out there and spend about a week just doing research. But there was one thing that we had happened on the way up there. We was going up through the mountains, because it's a long drive. It's like 16, half hours to get there. 17 hours. We was going up through I find the stake in up through Blue Ridge, up in the Pizza National Forest. We had got to the very top. All right. And it had been raining a little bit. What was weird was, like, the change of the weather. It was rain, it was snow. It was rain. It was snow. And we got up there. Okay. Then it stopped. Right. And Natasha can bounce it because she saw it. We both saw it at the same time. There was no cars in front of us. There was no cars behind us. When we come around this bend where I call it the Beam, but it's basically a curve, the left hand side of the rock face was there, that big mountain. Right. Well, across the other side was like a guardrail which went down off the edge, right? Yeah. As we come around the curve, I'm going to say probably the distance of I'm trying to look right now where I'm sitting out on my porch trying to judge it. Let's see. I'm going to say maybe about 80 to 90ft ahead of us. Okay. Okay. When I come around that curve, had the lights on bright. There was something, and I'm going to say something because I don't know what it was, but we saw it clear the bell. There was something up against the rock face on the left hand side. Now it gives me chills and talk about this. This thing was squatted down. Not on the sneeze, but it was squatted down. Okay. Okay. And it was at least I'm going to say if I'm looking. I'm trying to look right now. You know how high a rocket chair is? Yeah. Okay. About almost to the top of the rocket chair. That's about how tall this thing was squatted down. When the car lights hit. And like I said, tossa. Come back to this because she was with me. When the car lights hit, this thing turned and looked right dead at us. And then it dropped down on all fours, and it went scurrying across the road. Here's the thing. When it went across the road, this thing was bald. It had no hair on it. Okay. It was grayish looking. You could see the muscle. You could see the muscle moving. You can see the flap on the side of the skin, like in the stomach fold. It was completely bald, dude. There was no hair whatsoever. No kidding? Yes, sir. The back of it was shaped round like a human backside was okay. The back legs were bent, not straight like an animal. They were bent. Okay. The front legs, they were not legs. These things look like arms. It had a round head, almost like a humans had just a little bit of a pointed nose. Not a long snout, but just a little bit of a pointed nose. And it had pointed ears. Now, I'm going to tell you right now, I don't know what that was, but I'm going to tell you that it was not a bear. It was not a cougar, a fox, a coon, a deer, nothing else. It looked to me, when we looked at pictures, it looked like a hairless ape, is what it looked like. No shit. Wow. Yes, sir. Because we saw that, and me and her both looked at her and said, what was that? What was weird about is when it went across the road, when it dropped down, you could see that it was having trouble walking like that because it didn't want to walk across the road on all fours. But I guess it did that so it wouldn't stand up and run. But it's God's honest truth, man. People who are going to be listening to this, you can believe it or not, I don't really care, but when it went across the road, you could tell the front legs were arms. That's a given. You could tell them his arms, and you could see the muscle in the arms, the entire body. It was completely hairless. Wow. But when it got to the other side and it stopped right after real as we were going by, it turned its head and looked right dead at it. Oh, man. And that was creepy, dude. I'm going to tell you right now. And we stopped about 30 minutes later, and I was looking at some pictures on my phone, trying to look at stuff, and the only thing that I could find that even matched it is if you look up like a hairless monkey or a hairless chimp or hairless sake. They're kind of grayish looking, and the backside is round. And the way dude, it looked just like that. Wow. Except it had pointed ears. No shit. Yes. And that was going up through the Pisga National Forest. Okay, well, that's the first one I've heard of that. But there might be someone out there listening who's heard of it, too, and maybe they can comment and let us know, and maybe we can collaborate on that a little bit and see if we could get to the bottom of that one. That's amazingly, it was something, man. I mean, trust me, I won't forget I was calling that the other day to somebody. But what was weird, like I said, the back end, the back side, it wasn't shaped like an animal. I mean, there was no tail. It was literally round, just like a chimp, just like a chance backside is. And like I said, the back leg, you could see where they were bent from the knee. They wasn't straight like an animal. And like I said, you could tell that the front part looked like arms and you could see the muscle all through the thing. So when it was crawling so it actually looked like it was not natural for it to move that. No, me and Tasha said the same thing. That's exactly what she said. She said you could tell that thing did not belong in all fours because when it dropped down, it had this creepy, creepy crawl to it and it was Humpt over in the back. It was creepy, dude. I'm still like it was like you sound a horror movie. It just took off. This happened during the night or was it daytime? It was about let's say I'm trying to think it was around, I must say maybe between 230 and 245. At night? Yeah. Okay, quick question, just out of my curiosity is, when your lights hit it, did you see the eye shine? Well, no, not really. No. Because when I come around the curve and it was up against the rock facing, it turned its head, but it didn't turn its head to enough where you were looking right dead its face. Okay. But just as soon as it turned its head, it literally just like dropped down and went scurrying across the road. Well, I don't want to call it scurrying, but he was trying to crawl. But like I said, the first thing that went through my head was no, this thing belonging all fours because you could tell it was having trouble walking on all fours because it was used in its front hands. It didn't belong you could tell this thing belonged on smack feet. Wow, that's pretty weird. Yeah, it was weird, dude. I never forget that. Think that one probably would still not be able to sleep after seeing that one. We talked about that thing for hours, man. I mean, it was about a 1617 hours drive and we talked about it for good lord. Halfway upper and halfway back. No kidding, man. We got back that one area, we said hopefully we'll see it again during the day. Excuse me. Go ahead, Tyler. Sorry, I was just going to ask, has there been any other sightings like this? Like a hairless creature out there? Or is this like something new that you haven't heard while you were there? Now, like I said, this happened like going up in the Pigeon National Forest, up on the bypass. I've heard the reports of the bigfoot sasquatch, whatever you want to call it, up in that area. There's numerous ports up towards the Pizza National Forest. The only thing that I have ever heard about that was hairless looking up that way was somebody had reported seeing what they called the dog, and they said it was hairless looking. But if this thing was a dogman, I don't think that's what it was because, like I said, it had no tail. This was not no animal. I'm telling you right now. Okay. And like I said, if you look up a hairless eight or a heroic tent and it shows a walker on all fours, that's exactly what we saw, except it had pointed ears and had just a little bit of a point to like a snout, exactly what it looked like. And it was gray looking, not like a dark gray, but kind of like a light gray, like a clay, almost like a clay look. Like I said, when it dropped down and took off across the road, you could see the skin fold on the side, and you could see the muscles in it. Man clears the bell booth okay, it was small. I put it like this, but it wasn't big and bulky, but you could see the muscle on it. Do you have ambitions to go back there and research? Yeah, I had thought about it when I get time. Sure, right on. If I can pinpoint that spot, I would love to go back to that one spot because I'm sure that if people were to actually talk about it, if it's done that once going across the road, I'm sure it's done it probably before and people have actually seen it, but they just don't say nothing about it. There's always a chance we could get some comments or even an email about it right here on the show. That's been happening a lot more lately, where someone will say they saw something in an area and they feel like they might be called crazy or whatever, and then there you have it. We have someone who will email in or write in and comment and say, hey, you know what? I actually saw something really similar to that in that same area. So it actually helps when trying to plot out these sightings, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah, because it's like down my area, you worry there's numerous sightings all the time, especially road. Okay, there is two things that has happened since I talked to you last time with Roadside Crossing, me and my wife had went down to Low Water Bridge. I went down to pick up my audio and we came back, but I went down there, but the bridge was underwater, so I had to go back the other way. As I was coming back, I was on the back side of West Morris, which is Opar Road. Yeah, we come around a curve, and this was like 10:00 in the morning. I thought, clear the bell. And actually, as soon as I saw it, I stopped and done a video and a recreation right then. That's on the YouTube page, too. I think I've seen that one, actually. I think you talked about this one. Yes, that's the one that I saw going up the hill. Yeah. Remember. That what I saw. There's no lie. What I saw when I come around the curve is I got just maybe a good two to three second glance at it. It had already come across the road. It's come across the road and there's a steep embankment and I mean, you would literally have to get on hands or hands and knees just to run up the thing. You're not going to run straight up. Yeah. So what I saw was I saw this big brown looking mass. I know it wasn't a deer because I know what deer is like. It doesn't matter how far off you see, if you see a deer, you know what deer looks like. Yeah. This thing was a big, brown, bulky looking mass. And what I literally saw was I saw like, what looked like the I'm going to say the head and part of the back. That's what it looked like. It looked like a big head and a big hunt from the back. And it was dark brown, kind of brownish black, but more brown than anything. And I saw it go straight. I saw it when it hit the embankment and it went straight up the embankment. Okay. Now this thing was big and bulky. I'm telling you right now. It was as tall as the sign that was right down the road from it. The little caution sign. Yeah. So I stopped the car and got out and I did a recreation, done a little video right there. And when I did, I found a footprint where track on one side of the road where it came across. I found a footprint on the other side of the road where it hit the grass. And then I found two more tracks that went straight at the embankment. Now what's funny about that is there's another guy that I talked to. He said he saw the same thing, not in that area, but he saw the exact same thing almost to the T a while back. But he saw it when it was going across the road and it went up. He saw it when it grabbed like a tree with its arm and poured itself up in the air. Oh, wow. Yeah. I'm not sure how long it's going to have been, but he saw almost the same thing I did. Oh, wow. That's pretty incredible. Let's see. Other than that, I was in one of my areas one night and I was just laying in the back of the car and actually, again, it's on my YouTube page, the same video. I'm doing the night vision. So. I can do the video. And I'm laying there and all of a sudden I got the parabolic district on top of the car, so I can listen, right? I'm laying there and I hear what sounds like a baby crying in the woods. And I'm like, no, there's nobody here. Me should be hearing no baby crying. So it stopped, and a few minutes later, it done it again. And then it just stopped. Well, about an hour later in that same spot, it sounded like something was literally ripping a tree apart. Like it literally had a hold of tree and just like it was just literally ripping the tree apart. Yeah. Okay. Then about probably 04:00 in the morning, I heard the sound of a baby crying again. And I don't mean like a little whimper. It sounded like a small baby and the woods just crying. Oh, God. Yeah, that's not for me. That's not for me. I've heard that before. When people talk about that, when you hear the sound of a baby crying that they're trying to lure you into the woods, I think they're going to have to come up with something different if they want to lure me in there, because that's not going to work. I can tell you right now, if I'm sitting there in the middle of pitch black and I hear a baby crying in the woods, I'm leaving. I'm leaving. I'm going to go get a sandwich somewhere and I'm out of here. That would lure me in. Hey, we got a buffet in here. I'm like, oh, cool. Come on back, guys. Free beer. We got free beer. Jarvis a buzz cigar. Hopefully none of these critters can hear all this. So we're not giving them ideas. I mean, some people believe they use tools and this, that, and the other, and they make fire, but I don't believe in all that. Now, I can say that as far as the tools go, I don't believe they use the crossbows and they make an access. I don't believe that. But that's movie makeup. But I do believe they use tools, though. I do believe because we have found some weird things out there for looks like someone had taken a rock and sharpened it to a point. And it'd be just like in the middle of nowhere. It's not like you can actually find it. You actually walk up on it. I may be wrong. Like I said, people believe what they want, but I believe that they use these tools kind of like the Indians did when they want to scrape the fur off the hide or whatever. Yeah, I believe they do the same thing. I really do. I don't believe they're using their fingers strip, and I believe they're making something to do with well, you know, we found a video a while back of an alleged Sasquatch, and I made my son dig into it with me, and he actually broke it down frame by frame. Like, he put it in his computer, broke the video down frame by frame, and it shows this thing stand up and sidearm throw a rock about the size of the one you were describing earlier that you guys experienced. And when he actually gave me the mass, he actually broke it down to frame by frame and that the video had been slowed, so you have to move this and blah, blah, blah. Carry the one, and he gets all the way down to it. He goes dead. This thing stood up and threw all under 1 second. So then we measured the we basically did a guess based on about 12ft. And our guest said that at the low end of the spectrum, it was throwing this rock at 90 miles an hour. Oh, yeah. And at the high end of the spectrum, it was well over 110, 115 miles an hour. Oh, yeah. And I'm like, okay, if I could throw a rock that big that fast, I don't really need any guns or knives, then, I mean, that's enough to kill a guy. We have a report a while back of a guest who we talked to. That guy he was exploring and researching with had one of these rocks hit him in the side of the head, and they caved in the side of his face. I think that they're well skilled enough to get by with rocks and sticks. Oh, yeah. That's nothing, too. I talked about that rock, that one that me and Tasha had soda's. Now, like I said, it's kind of hard to explain how big it is about listing it. But when I say the size of a bowl, like, if you go to Walmart and you buy, like, in the little plastic bowl that you want to eat out in full way, sure, it's about the one size of them. So I say it's probably about maybe five inches wide. But, like, if you go look at the video, you'll see it. It's got some weight to it. I mean, it's got a lot of weight to it for that thing to be thrown through the wood, through the trees like a baseball. Exactly. When I chunked it up in the air, I mean, there's no way I could have took it even fold it very far. That far. But this thing came through the trees, and you could hear it just coming through the trees like a baseball. Yeah. That takes so much strength. Oh, yeah. To hurling. Yeah. It wasn't a man that voted. I promise you that. Yeah. It was strange, too. That same video Denny was talking about, the way he said sidearm thrill. Think about that, too. Baseball players. I don't know how heavy those baseballs. I know. That's not even a pound. They're no boulder. Yeah, it's no boulder, but sidearm throw just kind of flinging it. You have to have some tremendous body strength for that. It makes sense, though. I mean, most of the models that we've seen and most of the anatomy look at the trap area, you know what I mean? Just that alone, the width, I mean, the bulk, the weight behind it to pivot and throw. Oh, yeah. We compared it to that gorilla throwing something at a zoo the way he threw a piece of wood. You mean the one the Reddit user skipped right to the gorilla and told us that our video was a gorilla, not a bigfoot. That one. Yeah. Okay. Thank you, Reddit. We appreciate that. We knew that gorilla. We were making an example. People don't actually oh, don't worry. People try to get a 60 square real quick. Don't worry. Yeah, we've been experiencing it. We've definitely been experiencing it. We set it up as a comparison. We were like, hey, here's something else that throws like this. And some guy comes the caped crusader. He just flies right in and he goes, that's a gorilla, not a bigfoot. And we're sitting here like, bless you, sir. Bless you. Yeah, good job. Go back a couple of steps there. You would actually figure out that we were comparing context. Folks, contact. Oh, yeah. People just can't wait, man. I mean, I try to bash people, but people just can't wait just to jump in with both feet just so they can really see. I get it all the time, and I've had so many people just tearing to me left. Okay, for example, when I posted the video about that dead bore, it's just a video about the dead boar and us talking about Bald Creek and going to Denny Robertson and getting our Woods Walker coffee in the monster work, right? People tore into me like it was no tomorrow. The first comment was like, oh, my God, you posted a video of a dead boar. Wow, this is the best that you can do? Okay. Then the next one was like, oh, wow, it's just a dead pig. Why stupid why are you posting stuff like I mean, people just pour into me now and I'm like, it's just a video of a dead pig. And you may know you know what's funny about that is get a life. Get a life. If five minutes later, if something crazy would have happened and you would have showed that, those same people would have been like, well, why didn't you show the five minutes before that's? Right. So you can't win. And we've actually addressed this. We have a very serious divide going on in this whole topic, and I still fully believe that everybody, no matter what your point of view is about these cryptids and these creatures, I feel like we're all holding cards. Here that all go to one big puzzle. And we all need to start throwing our cards in and saying, hey, I might not agree with what you're saying, but let me throw mine right in there with you. And let's compare them instead of just doing a dead pig. Come on, man. We know it's funny, man. I'm in several big food groups. I used to be in one awhile back for years, but things happened and I left that group, and it's full of trolls. It's pretty much what it is. But what gets me is people want to argue. This is what I found fun. People want to argue over something that has not even been found to exist yet. Okay? We may have DNA, we may have the bones, blah, blah, blah. But to this day, we cannot prove 100% that this creature, bigfoot sasquatch o mall, where they want to call it, that this thing actually exists. But you go into some of these bigfoot groups and listen to these people talk, and they just tear into each other like they're arguing over politics. And that's the way it is. Yeah, because it's like somebody talking about Donald Trump and Joe Biden. They don't like one, and they want to tear into each other and they put the same way, man. All you got to do is say, like, for example, I saw a comment from my foot on that one group that said, how was it? They said, does anyone believe that? Bigfoot, like hibernate, like bears. Oh, my God, dude, they were coming out of the woodworks. It was unreal. People disgusting each other like dogs. And I'm like, really over this? Exactly. We've noticed it too. Yeah, I think we got shot at for we think that we put up a thing saying that they migrate. Some of them migrate. We've got a lot of patterns showing a migration. Yeah, it shows a migration pattern, and then we're getting shot at. I'm like, come on, we're doing our own research. It might be wrong or something. We might be missing something. But plus two is when we said migrate, we didn't say annually migrating. And a lot of people take that out of context. They assume migrating is every year, same way, same every time. That's not the case. I'm saying we found one pattern of a migration path. That's it. We didn't find any evidence that it repeated. We just found one trail. That's it. Think about what you just told me right there. No, that's like me and my research over the years. I've been doing this now for close to 15 years. And I'm going to tell you right now, I'm no expert, and I don't care who you are. There is no such thing as a bigfoot expert. I don't care who you are. Amen I laugh when I see these conferences, like, hey, you're not an expert. You're doing the same thing I'm doing. You're researching, you're guessing, you're trying to put it together. Yeah. Unless you're like Jane Goodall and you live with these creatures, you stay with these creatures. You watch how they eat, how they poop, how they bury their dead. Then you're an expert. Other than that, you're just an everyday researcher. And you know what? Jane? She is a treasure. Honestly. She believes the bigfoot couldn't get. Yeah, because I heard a video, like, they were doing a video about it and she was doing an interview and they said, do you believe it? She's like, well, there is evidence of an unknown primate around here. Yeah, that's enough for her. That's enough for her. I don't know if it's a bigfoot or whatever you guys are talking about, but it's an unknown primate and that's exciting. The one thing that gets me, man, is I know I've said this before, and I hate repeating myself over and over again, but this happens a lot in this topic. Is that yes, it does. In the court of law in this beautiful country, eyewitness account is admissible as evidence. And yet as soon as we get thousands of encounters and these people, when they sit across from you and they tell you about their story, and you see their reaction, their eyes dilating, you see that something happened to them. How can we say that all of a sudden that eyewitness account is worthless to us. Oh, I know, dude. That's unacceptable to me. Go ahead. No, I kind of broke up for you there. I'm moving around. Another thing, too, like, some of my research, it's something I've learnt over the years, is you tell me how their patterns are. Yeah. Now, I've talked to several people. Like, this one guy went out to his property, and I won't call no name, but he has them literally living on his property. And that's no joke. They're there. They are there. Okay. Then you got another guy went up to his property, every once in a blue moon, he'll see one. The reason why is because they're just passing through. They're not staying. Okay. I don't know why they do that. Like I said, I'm no expert. Nobody is. But some of them pass through just going through the area. That's why every once in a while, somebody was like, well, why does this person they got encounters all the time, whether living on the property, this next person is like, well, I might have something happen maybe once, twice a year. That's because it's just coming through. It ain't living out there. Yeah, I can tell you right now. And you worry. Like I said, I pretty much know the area like the back of my hand. There is three areas that I know for a fact, that I know for a fact, and there's other guys who know me who can bounce for me when I say this, that the creature is there all the time. It doesn't leave. It may travel so far and only so many miles, but it comes right back. Then you got other ones in certain parts of you are that they just move through. They're just moving through because I call them, like, different clans you got, but the ones that are staying there, from what I can see and from what I pinpointed on the map. And what was funny about that is I talked to a guy who's a highway patrolman, okay? Yeah. He's a researcher, and he was spotting certain areas that before me and him, actually, I've never met him, but we talked on the phone. He told me that he had been doing like, a pinpoint of areas where there was sightings or something happening and where he was doing his research. Right. Yeah. And so I started looking at a map basically the same way he did. And he's exactly right. Like, where he was having one sighting here, and then there was something happening over here, and then there was another place over here. Basically, it was like a triangle shape. Right, exactly. So what they're doing, they're only moving so far, and then they're going to another section and they're coming back. They're not leaving the area. Got you. Okay. Which is really weird, because there's one area that I know for a fact that I mean, I would bet if I had a million dollars, I'd bet a million dollars. But Woods Walker told me he got there yet, but we're getting there. But no, there's one area down there, and this is the truth that it's just like clockwork, man. They come up the creek bed. They come from a certain area. They come up the creek bed, they go across the road, and they come back before the night is over. And it's just like clockwork. Me and two other guys have actually seen them on Flair video doing it. Oh, yeah, he's got them on video doing it. I won't call the name. But we sat after one night, and I don't know if I told you all about this on the last one I was on there or not, but we set up the creek bed. It was me and two other guys, and we kept saying, you like Bobby Creek. I always follow the creek bed. So we said, that's what we're going to do on that. We just going to sit out there and watch. Sure. As I'm sitting there smoking a cigar, talking to you about 1145 and it was during the winter, about 1145, the guy is sitting there with me. He's got his Flair hooked to his phone. So he's sitting there looking, right? And he's like, Lee. I said what? He goes, look, dude, he said, we got company. And coming up the creek bed exactly like we talked about. There was three of them coming up the creek bed, okay? And I've always said, where there's one, there's two. Where there's two, there's three. These things are never alone. Never. They are never alone, okay? We saw these things. One was behind one tree, another tree and another tree. Now the guy's got the video, and it's clear as a bellman on Flair. You can see the one, the big one that we call him the big one, he leans out on the left hand side of the tree. You can see his head clears and veil. He goes from one side to tree to the other. And then the guy that was doing the video, on the video, he zips up his he was wearing, like, his big coat because it was cold. He zips it up, and when he zips it up, he aims the phone up and near so you can see the trees. Right. Yeah. Well, when he comes back down with the flare and the phone, god is my witness, man, this thing is leaned out beside the tree. You can see the head, you can see the arm, the shoulder, everything, and it was looking right dead at us. No kidding. Okay. Yes. Now, I believe with all my heart that if we had been completely hit out so we didn't know that if we were there, those things would have walked right by us. Wow. Because they've done exactly what I've been saying for years. They follow the creek bed. That's their walkway. That's how they know where to go and how to get back from. No kidding. And one thing, another thing, too, that I know for a fact is when they walk the creek beds, they will walk in the water. Walking in the water? Yes, sir. They walk in the water? They sure do. No kidding. Yes, sir. Well, we've definitely seen a lot of pattern since we talked to you last of creek beds, rivers, lakes. It's always a common denominator. I mean, it's always a factor. They're always right by it. It isn't like some people say. They use the power lines. They use them big power plants. That's how they walk. When I say that, some people like, you mean they actually want the power lines? No, I mean they're following the power lines, but the creek bed, because if you get lost in the woods, you follow the creek bed, you're going to find your way out. And they're doing the same way, man, that's exactly what you're doing. Yeah, that makes sense to me. Yeah. It's just a pattern. But those creatures and you worry. Like I said, there's three different clans down that I know of. I know for a fact, because, like I said, research. In 15 years, I kind of know what I'm doing. Now, I'm no expert, but I kind of know what I'm doing. They stay in one section, and then you got the other ones. They just pass through the area. And that's the goddamn truth. Yeah. Lee, I just thought of something, and if this is way too far out there just now, just stop me. But a lot further. Uwari has quite a bit of different things going on in it, doesn't it? I like Uwari, but I'm there you are is a weird place. It's got some creepy stuff going on out there. Yes, it is. Okay, so what I'm getting at here is that okay, so I personally read about URA UFO sightings, haunting, and then there's the big thing that I want to bring up to you. Orbs. Oh, my God. The orbs. I took him to say that. The thing is, we've been working on this one for a while. We keep hearing stories and encounters. And what's funny is some of the people who report this actually come out later and say, hey, I actually left that out because I'm already reporting a Sasquatch. I feel dumb saying this, but they literally will come out and say that this Sasquatch was surrounded by orbs, or it had orbs floating around it, or it was carrying one in one encounter. Is that something that are you in on that? Or how do you feel about that whole subject? That's kind of like a touch and go subject. It's kind of hard to say if I believe it or if I don't. Now, I'm going to lie to you. I have seen, and I'll just put point blank, I have seen some weird shit in your work. If you have to bleep that out, I'm sorry. Our listeners are mostly adults. Okay? Better not bring your kids. But I know what I'm saying is I have seen and I've seen it with other researchers. I've seen it with other people. I've seen it by myself. There are certain parts of you worry, and this is no lie. Dude, it looks just like in the dead of night. It's black. It looks like the woods just light up. And this is God's dun truth. I'm just trying to explain how I can say it. It literally looks like a big spotlight, just lights the forest up for three or 4 seconds, and then it's yawn. Now, I've seen that numerous times. I've seen what looks like someone. You can't see the person, but it's let's say if you're if you see somebody in the woods and they're holding their lantern and they're going back and forth with it, I've seen what looks like that. The orbs. I have physically seen an orb with a cameraman from Fox Eight News. When he first did interview me, because I opened back in 2010, he came down one night and he asked me, he said, do you mind if I hang out with you after we do the interview? And I said no. So we were standing in the campground talking, right? And no lie, this guy, he kept looking at me, but I noticed he kept turning to see it to lift. It was like around 100 clock in the morning, and there was nobody down. It was just me and him, dead and night. And he turned to see it, and he asked me, he said, did you see that? And I said no, I didn't. He said, I just saw something like a ball of light floating in the air. I said, really? And I had already seen him before he even said that prior to that. So we stood there about 30 minutes talking, right? And all of a sudden he's like, look, right, there it is. And it was maybe, I would say maybe 40ft from us. It wasn't very far. It was a round, whitish blue looking ball of light, about the size of a tennis ball, and it was going slow through the air, and it was leaving like an entrance behind it. And that's the God's honest truth. Now, I've seen that. Oh, Lord, I've been doing research almost 15 years. I've seen that probably ten or twelve times down there. Okay. And I've also heard what sounds like you are right now. Oh, I've caught some crazy audio out of there, man. What sounds like a female humming and singing, I have caught on audio, and I'm talking when I put my recorder out there. I put it out there when nobody else is around in the middle of nowhere. I've caught what sounds like Indians chanting and playing a drum, beating on a drum. I've caught that. I've caught what sounds like a woman singing and humming. I've caught what sounds like it's been a while back, but it sounded like two people were talking to each other but kind of arguing. Yeah, I got some audio somewhere, and this is probably the weirdest audio I've got. We had left the recorder out there for two days, 48 hours now, on the recorder, if anybody uses this recorder, you know, these things are sensitive. I mean, they'll pick up anything. So I had it tied up to the tree, and you can hear us leaving out. Okay, so for two days straight, nobody goes in, nobody comes out. There's one way in, one way out. On the first night, you don't hear nothing. On the second night about probably, I would say between 1230 and 01:00 in the morning. No, just out of the blue, man. I mean, out of the blue, it sounds like somebody starts going like just like that. And I'm like, what in God's name is that? Who is it? Because I didn't hear nobody come in. Yeah, okay, well, it does it again, and then a few minutes later it does it again. But when it does it the third time, something answers it because it's like, cha cha chi cha ha. And then something answers it's like what? I hear my top, just like that, like gibberish. Wow. And this goes on for like maybe five or six minutes, and then it just quiet down and you'll hear nothing else the rest of the night. Don't they call that a phenomenon, the samurai talk? Yeah, I sent that to a guy. He said, well, let me send this to a buddy of mine who's Native American. I said all right. So he sent it to him. And that guy I'm not going to call his name he got back with me. He asked me, so where did you get this audio? And I said, I got to that. You are in national forest. And he said, Let me take them. He said to him, you realize what they're doing? And I said, yeah. I said, they're speaking to each other. He said yeah. He said, you're right about they're speaking to each other. He said, but that is like Native American language. He said that's like when he would go out with his uncles and they'd go hunting, he said they were in one part of the woods and they were in another part, and they would yell back and forth like that, communicate, let them know where they're at. That's exactly what they were doing. He said, but the thing about this, he said, that's not a human voice. He said, but what you got there is two whatever you want to call these things, these creatures, he said, they're communicating with each other. They're talking to each other. Oh, jeez. Yeah, that's the matter. You are. That'd be enough for me to be like, yeah, I'm good. I'm out. You talking about the UFOs? There's been UFO sightings down there. We saw something down there. Well, this 2021, it was last year. It was during the I think it was like last January, actually. Again, it's on my YouTube page. If you watch it, you'll see what I'm talking about. We were sent out by our campfire, right? Right. And we're just like this open look and feel, and you can see the top of the hill, basically with the old man. The forest is that's what I call it? We're sitting there and over the left hand side, like little mountain ridge, we see like this. It looks like a red ball of light, and it's kind of like oval shape, like a Tylenol peel. It comes up, like I said, if you go to my YouTube page, you'll see what I'm talking about. It comes up over that hill, and it goes to the right, real slope. Now, I'm going to tell you right now, before that happened, I mean, you can tell what a plane looks like. You can tell a helicopter. White one's going over. You see the flashlights. This thing just like it came up, like it came up off the ground. Okay, we're back behind the mountain, right? It goes to the right real slow. There's no sound whatsoever. It's absolutely quiet. It goes to the right, real slow, and then it just kind of like, stops and hovers. Then it kind of angles up at almost like a 45 degree angle. It goes up a little further, then it comes back down, goes over a little further, and just sits there, right? Yeah. And then all of a sudden, it just goes straight up in a skull. Wow. Now, I've seen that happen in New Orleans two or three times. I don't know. But I've heard people. Talk about the orbs with the bigfoot and this, that and the other. But me personally, no, I've never seen nothing like that. I've never seen it like that. But like I said, I have seen oh, here's one. I haven't talked about this a lot, okay? This happened you remember me the last time I was talking to you all I was telling you about the guy named Sam, sam I. And we had that encounter together. Yeah. We're walk up. Okay. Sam I am. Sam I. Everybody wants to talk to Sam, but he's not around anymore. We was down in a certain section in Newark, and it was me, Sam, and it was three other guys. We were up on this hill, right? And now five of us, all five of us witnessed this. Okay, we're up on this hill, and we got our campsite down below the hill, up in low area to the right hand side of the forest. Around probably 1212 30 at night, we see what looks like a lantern just lights up into the forest, and it goes from one side of the woods to the other, and it's going back and forth. Well, all of a sudden, it starts coming down. It's like somebody's walking through the woods, carrying it. Well, it gets about halfway to probably where we're at, and Sam Hall is out. He said, hey, he said, this is our campsite. He said, we're camped out here. He said, So here we are. You don't need to come in our campsite. Well, it just keeps coming. So Sam Hall is again. Well, a few seconds later, the light just disappears. It just is gone. And we're all just standing there like, okay, now, what was it? Well, about ten minutes go by, it does it again. The exact same light started in the exact same part of the woods, done the exact same thing, came right down through the woods. But this time it came all the way down, and it came down the hill. When the guy that was with us at this time, I didn't have his flare. He had his flare, and he was looking, and he said, guys, he said, I don't know what that is. He said, but there's nobody out there. He said, the ball of light. And that's one thing about a flare. If you use a flashlight, you can't see it. The light does not show up on the flare. He couldn't see nothing, but we could sit with the neck of the eye. So when it comes down the hill, when it gets down at the bottom of the hill, god is my witness, man, like I said, five of us witnesses. The ground at the bottom of the hill, it looked like a spotlight. This is the goddamn street. If I'm lying them down right here, it looked like a spotlight was under the ground. A round looking light looked like it was under the dirt. It lit up. No light. It lit up for maybe four to 5 seconds, and it looked like not a real bright beam of light, but you could see like, a beam of light went straight up in the air when that light was coming towards it, and it was gone just like that. Wow. That's yes, sir. Yes, sir. Incredible. I've had somebody ask me that. I think that was a poor photo. And I said, well, you know, I can't say if it was or wasn't, but five of us witnesses that night, we talked about that for God and fellow. Oh, I bet. Yeah. It's odd that you said that. The whole light coming up from the ground. We actually had a guest. I think it was like a third guest. Yeah, it was after we talked to Lee. Yeah. Well, I think we have one, actually. Think about it. Everybody we talked to was after Lee. After Lee. Yeah. Until now. So there you go. Well, yeah, we talked to her, and she had a couple bigfoot sightings and dog man sightings, and she said that she was sitting out on our back porch. She has this big open backyard, and she said that she saw something walking through the tall grass. She saw a beam of light come out of the ground. Really? And then something walked to it and then just go down, and then the light was gone. Oh, wow. It's awesome that you're telling this story, because it's actually lining up with other people's stories. It's really cool that there's actually more sightings of it. There's more than at least one. There was something I've been personally kind of looking into lately. Are you familiar with Scott Carpenter's stuff? Oh, yeah. I don't know him personally, but I know who he is. Yeah.

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I actually don't know what the school of thought is called or anything. I really like watching him because I like his take on things regarding the nephilim and all that. He's put out a couple of videos of these portals and actually showing something, some creature thing in the portal. Now, my wife is a professional photographer, and I put the video on her laptop and I gave it to her, and I'm like, okay, tell me how a camera lens can do this. And I didn't tell her nothing else. I said, I just want to know, can this be done with the camera lens? And she sat there for probably a good 2030 minutes working on it, and then she called my son over and made him sit there with her. And then they both dived in for another good 20 minutes. And at the end of it in the video, you literally see I don't know how to explain it, it's a round portal with a being in the center of it, and the being actually turns its head at one point. And after she sat there forever, it actually gave her the creeps. She goes, this being is being affected by the light that's coming at it. Just like everything around it. She goes, Whatever it is, it's in this video. It's not been added to. It cool. I'm sitting there like, okay, I wasn't expecting that answer. So it caught me off guard a little bit. What's your thoughts, man, on this whole portal thing? I mean, this is crazy stuff, in my opinion. I've been hearing for years. And like I said, I'm no expert, nobody else, but I can't say that I 100% agree with the portals, but I've seen stuff. Then again, like I said, I've seen that beam of light come up out of the ground. Right. I've seen now, here's another thing, too. Beam of light. I actually I've seen this twice now, but the second time we saw it, we was down. You wore it. And we were sitting around a campfire. Around a campfire. We was probably 5 miles back. Yeah, about 12:00 at night. No, actually, what do you meant late? That's about 1145 dead at night. The stars were out. The moon wasn't out. The stars were out. Okay. We're sitting there and we got inside the vehicle and we're sitting and I'm listening to the parabolic dish. And all of a sudden, this is true to me. I've got a witness. They can bounce your plan. We saw a beam of light. This is no light. It looked like a giant spotlight came on at a 45 degree angle for about maybe 2 seconds, and it went right back off. Now, when that light came on, and I'm not gonna lie to you, when that light came on, it lit up the entire forest like the sun had just come out first for 2 seconds and went right back off. But it was it was a straight beam of light at 45 degree angle. Now, here's the weird thing. When that happened, and like I said, people can believe me or not, I just I'm the type of guy I don't care if you believe me, that's fine. If you don't, hey, I'm good with that too. When that happened, the battery and my flare, that parabolic dish, the camcorder went dead instantly. It was drained. Completely dead. Oh, yeah. Okay. Completely drained. But right after that, we got out. We got out of the vehicle and we just stand there like, did we just see what we just thought we saw? And we just like, what was that? One of the things you can't wrap your mind around it because you can't fabric what just happened, because you just saw it with the neck of eye. This didn't come off the video. You just literally saw it. And while we were standing there, we got out of the car like, maybe 1 minute after this happened, because I went over because I noticed the parabolic dish cut off. And I'm like, Wait, why is my dish off? And I started listening to it and then I went over the flare. The flare was dead. The Camcorder, everything was clearly dead. It drained everything they had out there had batteries in it. Wow. Okay. So while we got out and we was looking at stuff, like I said, that beam alight had happened. Like, two minutes prior to that, we heard a Yale come from the forest. Just like that yell come from the forest. Now, I talked to another guy about that. He was a hunter about probably two weeks later, because he contacted me about that, because after I posted it right. He's the man. He says what he said. He said, I'm a hunter. He had the same thing happen in you worry 18 years prior to me seeing this, he said he was out hunting one early one morning. He said he was out in the woods about 2 miles back, and he said, man, he said all of a sudden, he said, I'm sitting right next to a tree waiting for the deers. He said all of a sudden, on the right hand side, he said a freaking beam of light came down from the sky, and it lit the forest up just like I detailed it to him. He said I had, like, 18 years ago. And he said what was so weird about that was he said when that beam of light came down, he said that his battery and his phone or whatever he had on him was completely dead. It drained his phone or whatever he had on it was dead. And he said in a few minutes later, he heard a loud gel come from the forest. No kidding. And he told me yeah, he said he had never talked about that until he heard me talking about that. He was actually talking about it. Now, could that be related to the portal thing? Let's just say that beam of light came down, and people talk about UFOs and Bigfoot. They believe they beam them down, they take them back up. I can't swear to that. I can't say I believe it, but I can't say that I don't believe it because I've seen so many weird things now, right? Yes. But honest to God, though, the beam of light that we saw, maybe two minutes later, there was a yell. He said he saw a beam of light. He heard the yell too. And after that incident, I've had other people have come to me well, not personally, but they sent me messages and said that they've experienced that too. Like, the light coming down, and after that light is seen, there's a Yale coming from the forest. Wow. Now, I don't know, man, but, like, it's one of the things you just can't wrap your head around. You really can't. Yeah, but it happened. It happened. I'm sitting here. I don't seem like I'm adding a lot, but I'm listening to what you're saying, and my gears are just turning. I'm trying to wrap my head around it. It's not like what you're telling me right now is crazy. It's that there's so many reports like this. That's what's getting me right now. And a lot of times people won't talk about it. There's so much stuff that happens out there when it comes to orbs and UFOs and Bigfoot, and people just don't want to talk about it because it's just like clockwork, man. As soon as you say, I saw Bigfoot, they look at you like you're a monkey with a math problem. They just look at you like you just lost your mind or something else, or they want to really cut you. Lately, six, seven months ago, when we started this, we went into it with a very non biased, like, hey, we don't want to be another I don't know a better way to put this tie, but we didn't want to be another douchebag podcast that just tries to ridicule people or call people. We thought, wouldn't it be cool to just talk to people and literally just learn? And then over time, we'll gather up all these stories. Maybe we'll find a pattern. Maybe we'll be able to help out. And then I started like that, and I stayed on the fence on the middle, and so did Tyler. And then here we are six, seven months later, and we're both sitting here like somebody's messages us saying, hey, yeah, I heard that scream. That crazy, hell scream. It's been reported in Florida, and they got another one over in California, and they got another one up in Maine and up in Canada in South America, and me and him or me and Tyler are sitting here, and we're going, okay, well, that alone. What animal do we have in all of those areas with that much lung power that can make this sound? And you know what the crappy thing about this topic is? That you can be a skeptic unless you research. Because once you research, and then eventually you're going to get to something in the research where you're like, okay, I don't exactly know what the hell is going on here. Oh, God. Yeah, there's been there many, many times. And then after that I don't know about you, Tyler, but for me, it's really hard to be skeptical now. Yeah, I can't be a skeptic on this anymore. There's too many encounters and eyewitness accounts, and it fits. Too many reoccurring repeating things, just like I was saying about you seeing that light. And then another guest of ours, and you don't know her. No. And she had this almost a similar thing that you had. That's crazy. That's something that you can't be a skeptic on that so no matter what, I believe that it could have been since I wasn't there, but you guys saw something in it happened to you, the portals thing. I just don't know, because it's crazy to me, because nothing in this world can do that, that's something out of this world. So that's where I'm so on the fence with the portals. The thing that gets me is that, okay, I find myself doing the same thing where I'm like, okay, bigfoot hey, good probability. Good chance of it. There's a lot of different things going on there that I think are very good chances. The dog man, I don't know. But again, there's a strange patterning going on there. And then someone comes out and they say, well, orbs. Hey, you know what? I was a ghost hunter when I was younger. I've seen orbs. I've got pictures laying back in a storage unit at my parents house that I've never even showed my wife or children before. I've seen some crazy stuff happen.

Participant #1:
I used to do ghosts where I got into bigfoot research, and I've seen some weird things, man. One night we'll have to do an episode where I'll actually tell my story of Bobby Mackey's and a couple of other places I've been to around the Tristate here. But what I'm getting at here is that we come all the way around to UFOs aliens with the recent disclosure stuff going on, and then there's a bigfoot, bigfoot UFO or bigfoot alien connection, whatever you want to call it. And now I've got the bigfoot portal thing, and I'm like, I found myself ready to draw a line. Like, okay, portals is where I draw my line. But then Scott Carpenter puts out some magic there that he captured, and I'm sitting there like, well, thank you, Scott. Now I can't draw my line there. I'm going to have to find a new place to draw my line, because you're showing me something here that's clearly happening in the video, and I don't know how to refute it. I love doing analyzation of patterns. The joke is the blob squatch, the pictures that are sent out all the time, and they're like, there's something in there, and I know it's right there. And they got a circle around it, and there's a dark spot. Hey, guess what, folks? Send them to me because I know how to analyze those. I run them through a red spectrum. If there's details in it, I'll show you. If it's just a tree, it's going to be just a tree. But I've found a couple of things and a couple of pictures already on our own YouTube channel, and it's hard for me to refute this stuff. Now. I can't sit here and look good people in the eye and say, you are lying to me about this subject, because there's so many people that have seen this stuff and experienced it. We've got abductees that have passed lie detectors, and you still have people saying that they're lying. What's it going to take, folks? What's it going to take?

Participant #1:
I know I didn't tell you all about this one. There was a guy that I've been doing for over 15 years so it's been a good while back. Hey, guys. Tyler here. Due to the length of this episode, we're going to split it into parts, so stay tuned next week. So we continue the conversation quickly. Thanks.

Participant #1:
Key points.