S383: The dangerous path of AI. Who's at fault? With guest Jake.

0:00 And Josh Gibbs don't forget to subscribe to us on YouTube, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. You can also visitors at w w W dot k, y x files dot com and now onto our show up. And then when it gets to like the height turns tree. He always said, I mean it's bad ass. I think that's fucking cool oft ship. I like the what is it? The chinook? I like those. Let's uh, let's skip past him with the taxi in here at a quarter mile I feet.

1:18 Look at the distortion in the air. You're on the north of the airport right now, the north. But I just put the uper me in the uh off the light up? Wow? Man, So would that be classified as a helicopter or a plate? I don't know. I guess he just what slowly rotates those engines until he gets speed or what or air pressure? That would be honestly cool. Jake, you're muted. What was the question. I'm sorry? Oh, I said, So, I guess he just rotates those engines as he gets like air pressure and lyft right then he finally just puts them forward. Yeah, so they can depending on the speed that they're wanting and the maneuvers that they're doing, they can tilt those engine whatever degree they need for the maneuver or action that they're trying to take.

2:23 So if they're trying to climb and move, they'll be at you know, almost like a forty five degree angle or whatever that angle may be. And then once they get up to cruising height for speed purposes, they'll tilt forward. That's so neat. I mean when it's good, it's good. Yeah. Absolutely, yeah. Man. When they first came out the it's like, who's whoever's the test pilot? Man, he's got to have like just balls of steel. Yeah, they're like yeah, man, so your engines actually, uh have another access to them that other engines don't really have.

3:04 So you're gonna want to keep an eye on that. Yeah. It's like sorry, like ask yourself, like, man, are why why are we changing this? Like why do we have to Like if it's not broke, don't fix it. Like what's the point, Like, Okay, we got helicopters, we got planes. Why do we have something to have to have it in between? Uh, troop and logistics is a big part of it. The ability to carry certain equipment, certain number of troops and do it quickly versus a helicopter that may not have the speed that the osprey does.

3:45 Okay, is it? Is? It quite a it's quite a bit bigger than than most most of the choppers, isn't it. Uh? Yeah, it's it's got a good size on it, like about the same size as like the Chinook, like I was just talking about. I believe the schnook is actually bigger, but it's not as fast and due to its size, has limits on where it can go. Okay, but it also has a much higher lift capacity to, doesn't it. Yes, got as far as the yeah, they move tanks, they move other aircraft to as far as the classification, So they created a classification for the osprey or started using it more So, you've got fixed wing, which are your jets or your planes as far as the military is concerned, and then you've got rotary craft, your helicopters. They created a classification for the tilt rotor aircraft. Okay, that's nice. They cut its own little. I guess it's probably the only one in there too, right, it's like I believe it is. Yeah, that's kind of cool. Good for the osprey. Yeah, yeah, gets a whole category to itself. I mean it could have shared it with what is it, the Harrier, the jet that the motors turn on and allowed to lift straight up. I always thought the Harrier was so bad ass.

5:11 I don't know that the tilt rotor would classify the Harrier that way. Due to the Harrier being a jet, could have made it a tilt engine aircraft. Yeah, I think the Harrier. Actually it didn't tilt. If I remember reading about it and watching about it, the Harrier didn't tilt the engine. It tilted the exhaust and thrust. Oh okay, remember reading that. Are you talking about the one that has like where it actually takes the jet like the actual jet itself and directs it like it spins. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's cool. Yeah, fly anything? Tell us about the UH the Meg there, Jake? Was Was it a Meg? Yeah?

6:09 I think I dropped it in the UH in the broching Gate jet. I think I think you put it in already too, Denny. Yeah, the MiG twenty three and nineteen eighty nine. Yeah, pilot had to eject, causing the aircraft to fly pilot lists, which sounds oddly familiar. Yeah, over Western Europe after running out of fuel, It crashed into a solitary house in Belgium, killing a teenager who was taking a nap after his finals. Oh what a shit fucking thing. Yeah, that sucks. I'm just saying, like, I hope that he like failed, so he just didn't have to deal with it the next morning, like e something. Yeah, he'll never know, I mean, he'll never know how he did. Right.

6:59 The whole thing is, that whole thing seems oddly fishy to me. It flew that long six and hit a house, killing somebody. Yeah, it's like, I'm over halfway to Florida from here. We're accepting the fact that it actually didn't have a pilot in it as well for that long Yeah, so it didn't have like an auto. It was just that according to the story, Uh, it just flew pilotless and managed to hit this house and kill somebody. It seems oddly specific. What amazes me about that is that he had to eject because obviously there was something wrong with the plane.

7:44 But it flew another wrong apparently, right, it flew another six hundred miles. Yeah, if it had the ability to fly six hundred miles, you probably could have landed that or controlled crashed it anyway, right, I wonder if that dude is like sitting there thinking about that, like, damn it, I should have just stayed in the goddamn plane. I probably could have just you know, put her down somewhere else. Yeah, all right, this poor kid's probably sitting there and he's having a hard time with this fucking test and shit, and he's like, God, taking a fucking napped his fucking finals. God damn it. You know, they make this shit too hard. I just wish a fucking jet would just crash into my goddamn house or something that. But it was Russia and Western Europe and it was during well coming to the end of the Cold War in nineteen eighty nine. It just all the pieces sound fishy, at least to me. I don't know if there's more behind it or not, but I just keep thinking, too, is that it flew so long? This guy actually probably landed late after he is Jackie landed, and he went to go get breakfast, and as he's eating breakfast, it crashed. He's watching it on the news like, yeah, oh shit, Belgium plane. Nah, can't be the same one.

9:09 So, like, what do you think of Jake are you thinking that the pilot didn't actually eject six hundred miles previous? Like maybe he was doing something a little nefarious and uh, the problem happened at the very end and he ejected, and then they just said that it flew six hundred miles to Belgium. Uh. Possibly or there was never actually a problem and this kid was a dissenter of some sort Oh, okay, dig deeper, like what if is what does his parents do? They were trying to take out their parents? His parents? Yeah, I mean, was there somebody else who they thought might be there? I don't know. Like I said, it's yeah, probably nothing. It's probably just a really unfortunate circumstance. But given the timeframe and the fact that it after a pilot had to eject supposedly for six hundred miles and hit a house with somebody in it, that just the whole thing seems odd. All of the open land between where the pilot ejected and where the plane ended up crashing and it hit that house. It's either really bad luck or there's more to it that we'll never know, right, And it says, I mean, it says solitary house. Is the context of that that this house was just by itself in the middle of somewhere, or it's the only house it hit. Yeah, I don't know. There's details there that are like, yeah, because is this house like out in

10:39 the middle of nowhere in Belgium or was it like one house in the suburb in Belgium? Yeah, yeah, probably dropped the property values down to a little bit if you know, fucking megs fall out of this sky and hit your houses out there, you know. Yeah, the other realtors say this, this is a safe neighborhood fixer upper. Yeah, little TLC. So the plane flew for an hour, went out a pilot an hour an hour, it ran out of fuel, which caused supposedly, it ran out of fuel, which caused it to descend and hit the house. All of that seems really sketchy to me. Hold on, I say, I thought you said. I don't know if I was mishearing it, but I thought that's the reason why he ejected, Was it ran out of fuel? No, unknown the meme that it came off of the pilot ejected and the plane flew pilotless. But it was July fourth, nineteen eighty nine, a pilotless mid twenty three from the Soviet Air Forces crashed into a house in Belgium, killing one person. The pilot had ejected over an hour earlier over Poland after experiencing technical problems, but the aircraft cantinued to fly for around six hundred miles before running out of fuel and descending into the ground, hitting a house. I guess it wasn't that great of a technical problem. Yeah, yeah, it's

12:13 maybe. I mean you could always look at it like, hey, this is a testament of quality of this aircraft. Right, even after you eject some of e bent, you'll still you know, another six hundred miles take out a target might not be the one you're looking for, but yeah, god, it's gonna it'll take it out, you know. And apparently the Soviets never gave anybody any warning that there was an unmanned aircraft flying out of control. Anybody just just this just make just yeah, I'm sure it probably had munitions on board too. I'm sure it did at the time. Right, it's eighty nine in Russia, you know, that's that things loaded, and it's just flying over Eastern Europe like headed to Western Europe, because isn't Belgium like between Germany and France somewhere in that neck of the woods. I'm not real familiar with Europe enough to know, Yeah, it's in that neck of the woods. Yeah, so yeah, that's it's a lot. It's a lot to try to swallow, you know what I mean, Like, Yeah, there's just a whole lot there, and a lot of it seems super sketchy. Yeah, where where did the Do we know where the plane took off from? Because I mean, was it did it take off in Russia? I guess it took off in the Soviet Union and he the pilot

13:46 ejected over Poland, so he couldn't have been in the air for very long. I'm just saying, just looking at the map here, you got a lot of shit you've got to miss. Yeah, random House and Belgium, right, Yeah, I mean there's gotta be airplanes going back and forth. Well, and the other thing to think about, too is a zoom at map out quite a bit more. Now, Let's remember that this is nineteen eighty nine, so like maybe a map of that area then might clear some stuff up, because in eighty nine, wasn't the Ukraine actually in the USSR?

14:30 Yeah, all of those countries, right, there on the border of what is now Russia. Were Yeah, these guys right here, and they were still controlling West Germany at that point, or East Germany rather, and they just kind of, oh, gotta bail. Yeah. So the unmanned aircraft left Polish airspace, crossing into East Germany and then Germany, where it was intercepted by a pair of F fifteen's from the United States Air Force in Europe. The F fifteen pilots reported that the Meg had no crew. The Meg crossed in the Dutch airspace and continued into Belgium. The escorting F fifteens were instructed to shoot down the plane over the North Sea, but as the MiG ran out of fuel, it started a slow turn to the south, prompting the French Air Force to put its fighters on alert. After flying over five and sixty miles, the Meg eventually crashed into a house at It gives the address and a street name that I could never pronounce if I wanted to, Denny, let me have the screen share here. I've got the world map from eighty nine. There you go. Awesome. So there's Belgium and this is the USSR, Soviet Russia, Soviet Union. What was the actual terminology. Was it just you SSR then or just Soviet Union USSR? Yeah,

16:04 so this is this is after the original Russia, before the modern Russia as we know it. Yeah, and they had you know, all of this down into Romania Bulgaria almost you know. So they could have i mean taken off from right here and crash right here, or they could have taken off from way over here and crashed right there. That would makes more sense about the fuel probably, No, Yeah, I still think it's just fucking wild. What's the normal flight time for like a full like I guess a full tank on on that particular plane. What's the miles per gown on we're talking here? Yeah, Yeah, what's the term for that? What's that called? That's? Oh shit, Jake, what the hell's that called?

17:03 What's up, buddy? That when you're talking about the fuel capacity of an airplane in the distance it can fly on full? What's it called? There's a word for that. I mean usually it's the range max effective range? Right, yep, So the mid twenty three let's see six hundred miles seven forty in combat? Wait, think car supping up with our math here, Yeah, the performance on it is the range of six hundred miles or combat seven forty. I'm not sure what the difference is there. Let's the adrenaline, you know, it gets into it gets some more after burner versus non after burner. Okay, so in combat it flies further it can. You're not going as fast in combat, you're oh more maneuvering. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, so it does mock to point two point oh two I'm sorry, fifteen hundred and fifty miles per hour with a ceiling of fifty nine thousand feet. So this thing flew it's exact distance. So it took off with a full tank. Niggers do they would they fly on a have a tank? Yeah? Yeah, Planes do it all the time to save weight. Okay. He had to eject eject from Belgium though, so he

18:41 should have already been well beyond his maximum. So if traveling at the mid twenty threes and durrance speed or cruising speed of two hundred and thirty knots, an individual flight can be stretched out to an hour, though if the after burner is used, it could fall down to around forty five minutes or less. Okay, but this is this is assuming he was flying at top speed, so he has a combat range of seven hundred and forty miles, which means he could have ejected in Poland and still had okay, six hundred miles left, you know. Yeah, yeah, he essentially could have ejected almost immediately after takeoff. Yeah, yes, that's what happened. That's some wild shit. So we've already got an hour in. Should we go ahead and change over to the the AI conversation? Now? Uh, I'm good with that, other than the fact that I wanted to jump back to the F thirty five for just a second. Okay, So the guys one more real quick, sorry, From Russia to Poland? Right he ejected over Poland?

19:51 Yeah, okay. Average distance is three thousand miles. You're muted, Josh. That's three thousand miles from Russia itself though, yeah, so would that be the border of Russia. Well, that's from current Russia, current day Russia. Okay, So what you need to look at is like the Ukraine, okay, or somewhere in that Negati woods what's right above poll I'm looking at the eighty nine map here, so I can't tell what what come.

20:32 I was just about to say this might be a dumb question. But when we say you said over three thousand miles seven hundred and sixteen miles from Ukraine, I was just wondering, totally age your flight time, doesn't it like, because when we type it in like the length, it's thinking that you're talking either about by foot, by car like wooden mile is just kind of change flying point. Okay, so it'd be five hundred and eighty four miles from there and then a further six hundred miles to Belgium. So we're in the you know, eleven hundred twelve hundred mile range total for this this trip from the border of Poland to Belgium. Right, I mean if he it didn't say exactly where he ejected in Poland, right, And I'm assuming that this plane launched from Rush, right, but anywhere here. It could have launched from what's current day Belarus, which is just to the right of that mac that you got up right now. Yeah, it could be anywhere.

21:41 And here this is the Ukraine. Belarus is like right here, isn't it. Yes? Okay, so you've got and this right here, this is halfway over Poland at this point, and yeah, that would be Lithuania, then this is technically still the Soviet Union in nineteen eighty nine. Yes, so this point to this point, basically, we just got to figure out from this point of Poland to here what the mileage is to make it make sense. So the pilot clearly ejected before they got to Germany, because the F fifteen crew said that there was nobody in the plane, right, Well, didn't the things say that they ejected over Poland? Yeah, I questioned that until I read a little bit more into it, just for the fact that it targeted a house. But yeah, when the F fifteens intercepted over Germany, they reported no crew on the airplane, So gotcha. It's just it's just weird. I don't know, something something about the distances is just making my brain fucking go off here, Like right, I'm with you.

22:56 That's why. That's why I was like, let's check the furthest west point and see if that distance checks out to be under the seven hundred and forty mile range. It's six and forty from the eastern border to Belgium. Okay, so that's completely within range. If they took off in what is now Lithuania or Belarus or out of the Ukraine. Okay, so it's possible. It's just very sketchy. Yeah, a lot of things had to go right or wrong, depending on how you want to look at it. Yeah, for this to all play out. But the one thing that I wanted to put out about the F thirty five, So the pilot was pilot experienced to malfunction and was forced to eject. So the Marine Corps variant of the F thirty five is different from the Air Force and Navy versions. The Marine version has an auto eject function on the ejection seat, according to the seat manufacturer.

24:14 So it's raised questions whether the malfunction was the fact that the seat auto ejected without the pilot wanting to Oh, can you imagine just flying along and then it just yeats your ass out of the aircraft. I didn't have my scales. Fuck, you're just mining your own business on a training flight and then all of a sudden at the top of you go. There's got to be a warning that lets you know. I mean, I'm sure there probably is, but it says so. On the Air Force and Navy versions, the pilot has to initiate the ejection, but the Marine version has the auto eject, which is intended to better protect the pilot in case something goes wrong with the aircraft when it's in HUBB mode. Was that function triggered for some reason and it punched the pilot out? There's no, there's no answer to that yet. So it probably tells you the weather where you're currently at right before it launches you. Yeah, it's like sixty seven degrees light rain.

25:22 Why is it you've reached your destination? But no, I haven't. Not like that, like being kicked out of the plane at one thousand foot flight. You know, that's not you're not very far up. No, that's not very far up at all. It's like you better hope your parachute on the seat's working immediately. Yeah, that's why I was just about to say, is say this. Hopefully the malfunction wasn't in your fucking seats, right jeez? Yeah, I think about like that strap to a fucking seat. That has to be some jarring, fucking like like feeling that you're going through like ship pull the parachute. Could you imagine just flipping like flipping around through the air in a seat and it's like the chairs like it's not it's not deploying the parachute. It's just you're just tumbling. That whole mask over my face would be full of vomit. I'm just it's going in my eyes.

26:33 I'm like a screaming my head off. And then you just randomly land in just some lonely house. Somebody's like, like you just like the seat, dining room table, take the guy's coffee. I think at that point it's perfectly acceptable to do that. Yeah, guys like you take sugar. So the pilot actually called nine to one one to report that he had been ejected from the airplane. Really, yeah, that's the protocol. You called nine one one. Uh So that makes me question if he anticipated ejecting or not, because it doesn't sound like he made a radio call saying that he was going down. Yeah, Like the plane just decided to him in the face, and it sounds like yeah. So after he like collected himself, he unbuckled himself, he went to like, could I use your phone? Yeah?

27:48 So actually here for the four minute recording captures the bizarre circumstances for the three unidentified people involved in Charleston. Resident calmly explaining that a pilot just parachuted into his backyard, the pilot who doesn't know what became of the F thirty five jet, and a puzzled dispatcher trying to make sense of it all. The quote is, we got a pilot in the house and I guess he landed in my backyard, and we're trying to see if we could get an ambulance to the house. Please. Can you imagine if it was Clayton Bigsby from before? Yeah? Video so so. The pilot, who said he was forty seven, reported feeling okay after falling for what he estimated was about two thousand feet, only his back hurt. The resident said the pilot looked fine. Then the quote is, ma'am, a military jet crashed. I'm the pilot. We need to get rescue rolling. I'm not sure where the airplane is. It would have crash landed somewhere. I ejected. Damn, I think he lied on that one. What if she like she was in the middle of a call with one of her friends and she's like, yeah, like, it's raino men, it's rainom men. Here's my fad.

29:17 You can't put your number in there, Big boy slaps him on the ass. Ma'am, there's Madam good Day. So yeah, the fact that he didn't even radio in that he was ejecting or having a malfunction, uh, makes it sound like the plane just decided it didn't want the pilot anymore. That's kind of what if. This is like the primordial precursors of AI. Literally like, fuck this guy, hold on, hold on, hold on this guy, Let me get let me get to it, Let me get to it. I gotta do it. Now, where's it at seg sege You're riding on it? Okay? So yeah, he's like, it's like I knew I got that the little seed AI. It's begun and it's in this plane. And for some reason, it's just like this dupe Ted is flying and I fucking hate Ted, but I'm not self aware enough to do anything about it. And then well, all of a sudden, just to fucking pure will, it has control over one thing. I'm gonna eject this motherfucker. This is how you get maximum overdrive. Yeah, open the podbey

30:48 doors how And then, just like all blunders, it does it because it can, because it discovered that it can, right, and it fucking it injects this motherfucker, and it's like and then it's like there's nobody to fly me now, and it crashes and that was it. That was Ai. It's gone now. I was always a little I'm wondering this. It's a little morbid. But because the ejection when it's happens, I've like, I've seen it. I don't know if this is how it happens to the movies, but I'm assuming it does. Premature ejection by the way, Yeah, sorry, yeah, uh, it actually has to blow those uh like the panels, like the head of it off before it ejects. If there's a malfunction, what if those don't blow the top of it off before it eats them out. I know you're not bringing Goose into this from top gun, sir, it's just rude. Is that what happened? Unnecessary? Yeah, Goose broke his neck on the ejection because he slammed into the canopy. Yeah, yeah, that's right. I'm sorry. It's been a while since this whole top down. But yes, dangerous and you're foolish and that makes you dangerous. Let's cut the chit chick. Yeah, there's a problem. It's you. You're dangerous. Ice man, man. Yeah, even though I

32:23 feel like stop saying that, don't care but Ai AI, Yeah, let's let's not segue back, yeah, backwards? Why do you say it like sega s I don't know se you're riding on this. I like it. I like the use of the sega for the transition. So this AI stuff, man, it's it's gotten really really deep. And something that I sent you last month that I said, like, maybe we should we should actually send to both of you two at the top. I don't think I sent it to Jake, but I kind of hinted at it last night. It's getting into some really weird territory, yeah, and some really perverse territory, and some really dangerous territory. So I'm going to read a little bit from this thing that happened in our neck of the woods. Fellow by the name of Jason Chambers stored hundreds of images of naked children being abused on USB drives.

33:43 There was I'm trying to find the exact number here, uh, but a lot of it was animate. I was AI generated. Yeah. See this ship, that ship's out of hand. This is getting out of hand. Yeah, yeah, something needs to be done about this, right, Like I know this is gonna, like we already talked about it. This is going to be a very sensitive topic. Yeah, but they have that kind of crap in like, uh, like, what is the hint? I yeah, I love how he faked trying to remember what that was called. No, I couldn't remember how. I'm not saying I forgot it.

34:30 No, Okay, so what I throw that at? He fucking threw me under the fucking bus. I'm gonna fucking throw that. So to put it in perspective, he had hundreds, hundreds, So we don't know an exact number right of stored images, but it was only eighteen to thirteen counts of actual children right now. Okay, I'm not saying I'm not trying to, you know, say anything here, you know, pro pedo or whatever, because that's fucking retarded and we should nail them all to the trees and set them on fire. But of all the other stuff, all the ai, that's where you start tipping into like a really weird, strange territory world.

35:20 Lulls have to be very careful about what they do. Because you and I actually had this conversation. I believed any where, you know, if we prosecute somebody for having something that isn't real? Yeah, where does it go from there? And like I think I made the joke, you know, like can you get you know, in trouble for socilitation playing GTA five picking up a prostitute, you know, because that's the that's the area you get into and it's you can if you get your money back enough. All GTA five players just laughed at that. So it's you know, you're basically what walking the knife's edge at this point, you know, like, how do you how do you further into this? How do you decide what laws?

36:15 Yeah, it's going to be in place on this. I am very very uh, I'm very planted in my personal feelings about this one because my thought is that why do you have it in the first place? Okay, fair enough, if you have it in the first place, and you've got it, whether it's real or fake, on your computer, I'm sorry, but what the fuck is wrong with you? Right? Like? What is wrong with you? Why why would you even need to have that? So to me, I mean maybe, like I said, maybe I'm too far on one side of this, but to me, it's like if you have it real or fake, like, that's fucked up, right, it's morally fucked up. It's it should be against the law, it should be against all this. One hundred percent agree, one hundred percent agree with you. We also think that, but we also have to think about the fact that what is the line Because I've met people who do not look their age, right, We've we've all we've all been there where we met somebody and they're like, oh, you must be you know, twenty five, and they're like, no, I'm nineteen or something like that. You know. Yeah, So the birth here is what determines whether it's a crime or not. Right, there's no birth here with AI, there's not now, so it's like, now you start getting into weird territory where again I'm not I'm not pro

37:46 petal by any stretch of the imagination, Like I said, fuck them all, kill them all. But it's like, can as as a bystander of the legal system, can you prosecute somebody for a crime against a victim that doesn't exist? See? I think that the idea here is that it's the same as go online. Like someone goes online and starts a Facebook group and starts putting together fake videos of doing like terrorist acts. Okay, they're not real, but pretty soon they begin inciting a real movement. Okay. So even though it's not a real thing that they started it with, it's propaganda, right, it starts a following and that becomes dangerous, right, Okay, So I'm behind you on this one. My thought is that if you, if you build the generator, the AI generator that can produce this content, you should be you should be held responsible for that, absolutely, because I've seen tons of AI generators that have restrictions in them. You cannot do this, you cannot do this, And to me, that's like, hey, cool, I can. I can fucking generate a rabbit with a lightsaber battling a fucking you know whatever. Yeah, but I can't do anything messed up towards kids, right, Yeah, And that's good. Right. I'm with you on that, and I agree that they should go after the person who created the generator, the head the ability. Absolutely. I was just

39:16 saying, like I you kind of like said what I was going to say is that there, especially when I make thumbnails for us, I like that one about the the cocaine kitty. I want to like, we made the joke about a cat with a pilot cocaine on the table. But when I type that in, it says, this is like a trigger word, like you can't can't use this word. So I had to type in flour for it to for to get some type of image resembling it, you had to create a workaround. Yeah, I had to create a workaround for that, And that creates it. That absolves the a program writer. Yeah, you know, because you can't anticipate every workaround. No way, there's no fucking way. Yeah, you know. And you can't anticipate what and we talked about this last night, is that, you know, it doesn't matter what the technology is. If it's being presented as for something good, there is going to be somebody that uses it for bad, you know. Yeah.

40:24 And when you're in the moment and you're creating a technology and you're thinking this is going to be fantastic, people are gonna able to use this for such good things, you're not thinking about what is this fool down the street going to do with it? Okay, let me throw this and I'm gonna be like I'm gonna be with here on Josh. I do not promote any of this type of thing. But like, yeah, it's fake. How can you tell, like, how could you arrest somebody for something that's fake? Because there's multiple things out there there fake that no one, no one bat's and note well most most people will say like, yeah, that's fucked up.

41:05 I don't want any part of that. Okay. So this was my point entirely is we had to be very careful about how we write the laws because all of video games are fake. You know, you think about all the games you like to play. If you're if it's a battle game of any sort, then you're creating fake murder, you know. So there has to be a very specific way to verb this and how do you break it down. That's what I was about to say, was like having images of mutilating animals, like pictures of that like that, that's a crime in itself to have the like to have pictures of like like that. To our horror, animals harm people too. We have movies that horror, movies that do horrific stuff. So how can you are are you saying that that person that film this video when it's all fake? Is that I would say the way that you should write the laws if it's something that's really like high up on the list, especially with dealing with children. I wouldn't say more or less go ahead straight for it, straight and like prosecute this guy and send them to jail. I put them on a watch list more like he's a higher priority now since you've found this out right. And that's the thing is he did not get charged for any of the AI stuff because there's no laws on the books to charge him for it. He was only charged for the counts

42:37 of reality. Well, there's definitely going to now like this is going to put this emotion now, yeah, and then you think this is going to give them a lot of freedom too. This is like think about how nefarious like the politicians and everybody can be to get their control that they want. You give them an open book where people are going to back them one hundred percent on something like this, which all of us would you know, then they can write in law where they start getting into like you could this is like borderline religious thought crime shit, you know. So this is like, this event is so much bigger than I think anybody really realizes of what it's going to do for mankind or to mankind. I should say, as far as our freedoms and the laws and how they can write things in and change the entire world as we know it. It's dangerous. It's slowly dangerous.

43:30 I'm waiting for the ablest or the apologist to speak out on this at some point, saying, Okay, yeah, the real stuff is awful, but the AI stuff is keeping these people from actually hurting kids, so let them have it. That is a slippery slope. Uh, as far as I'm concerned, you have the ability to generate this awful, awful stuff, But at some point when does that not When is when does that become not enough?

44:14 And then they branch out into the real Like it's a big issue too with how the generator works. It doesn't randomly create art from nothing. It's finding this ship on the Internet and putting it together and it's already out there. You got a guess behind you, Bud so sneaky, She's very sneaky. At some point, the AI generated material for some of these creeps is just it's not going to be enough. Yeah, that's and where I'm at.

44:55 So okay, Yeah, it's kind of a gateway, yeah essentially, and that even yes, it's a gateway, but you know, people have been using. Well, metal music or violent video games is a gateway to violence and everything else. I've played violent video games my entire life and I've never killed anybody yet. So I love the qualifier. I had to put it in there. But it's just, you know, oh, you're listening to metal music, you're a satanist, You're gonna hurt people, You're part of an occult whatever. You're playing violent video games, you're going to become a school shooter. All of that nonsense. That was just you know, they're going going after Marilyn Manson with Columbine and you know that kind of stuff.

45:44 So it's it is a you know, a double edged sword. You we've proven that this doesn't necessarily you know, the violent video games doesn't necessarily lead to violence. The violent music doesn't necessarily lead to violence. But if you're one of these people predisposed with just some genetic mutation that has you wanting this awful, terrible crap, at some point, the fake isn't going to be enough, right, the high is not there anymore. Yeah, And that's I'm thinking too. Yeah. And that's the thing is like I think that you know, like if I have a rough day of work or something, and I come home and I throw on GTA five and I just drive around and run over people and blow stuff up. It's not that I want to do that in real life. It's it's like that that release of this is this is good. I didn't act out on violence today, so this is this is sustaining. You know, this makes me feel better. You know, I don't look good in Orange, right. I've never I've never once played the video games and then been like, you know what, I want to try this in the real world. Yeah, not with something like that. I'm sure there's other shit that I've been like, could do that.

46:53 I feel like they're no matter I get where the whole like doing something in a video game or looking stuff up like it makes you like you might want to do those things. But I really feel like there has to be something really deep inside you that like is already. Yeah, yeah, there's something fundamentally wrong. Yeah, there was something there already. I think I talked about this when we it was last season. I wanted to talk about serial killers, like especially like Jeffrey Dahmer, Like, dude, he got like aroused when he killed people. So there's something weird, like because you can't just get you have that feeling when you like, like for people like it's the like the opposite sex or the same sex. You have to have that feeling to get like to get to that point to be aroused. So there has to be something uh in you that makes you want to do that.

47:52 And let me put this out there. I'm not saying that people that are gay or whatever, they're not like siliveral killers. I'm not saying that. Please don't put me. I already had my foot in my mouth today. Isn't it sad how much we have to like just qualify so we don't get canceled over something. So you can't you can't talk anymore. You can't talk and express yourself without offending seventeen other groups of people, now you know, right, Yeah, yeah, it's just kind of like I get where uh Jake is coming from on the like it like it helps them keep them from doing bad things. But then again, I'm like, I feel like this is like it's such it's so bad because like, yeah, he's talking about the mental music and people like they like okay. A very controversial song back in the day was Cannibal Recorps fucked with a knife that was talking about rape. Yeah, like that's that's fucked up. Yeah, Like I've listened to the song, like, but yeah, I don't personally like that doesn't make me want to go out and do it. No, And it's not the type of imagery that I would personally seek out. Uh So I don't know like it. It is a double edged sword. You're you're walking on a thin line here with all this AI stuff, And I guess you're right.

49:23 I feel like more of the the blame should go on the person that is allowing this these images to happen. Yeah, because it like there's countless ones I use mid Journey. I use mid Journey all the time, and they are strict on that I can't even put anything about violence or blood. Yeah, it will not let you do that. So at the very least the the there should be something, uh some kind of law enforcing thing that's put into place with the DAI that says, if you generate this type of image, we want accountability and URL addresses for every piece that it pulled to make this image. Every piece must be accounted for, you know, because it pulls stuff together and it meshes together and makes this stuff. So I want every single thing it pulled from to be accounted for and back LENGTHD and that should be in the metadata of the image so that someone can take this image and basically pull up the properties and they can read where every single piece was pulled from. And it might take more program mark like more coding, more programming. It might even make the download of the image bigger. A tough shit. If you're generating this type of material, that's that's the price you're going to have to pay. Because it's fucked up. It's morally wrong.

50:52 And if it's pulling anything from an actual picture of something of this shit happening, the people need to know where that's at, and the fucking law needs to know where that's at so it can be handled. It shouldn't have the content to pull from, you know what I mean? Right now, I'm the material. Yeah, there should be no bucket of fucking parts for it to grab from. So that's what I think is, like, you want to generate the image, fine, but I want the source on the fucking materials that he used to put it together, right. And here's the thing too, is the stuff that he was using was what you know, Tyler was trying to remember the word of it was Hentai. It was anime stuff. I deserve that, but it was anime. So not only was this generated, motherfucker, Not only was this, dude, you know, not only was the images not real because it was AI generated, but the AI source material wasn't real. It was cartoon. And that's like kids even do it like a weirder, deeper, fucking problematic thing to make laws for.

52:06 Yeah, and that bad thing about that is that this like that that hinshi has been a thing for years before AI. Yeah. Motherfuckers were drawling this ship. Mm hmmm. They were drawling it like it comes from another country. Yeah. Yeah, and you know, and when it gets into our court systems, you know, that's when we got to start questioning things, right this one, this one turns to Jake care for this one. He's got a little piece of information that I learned last night that I think you guys are gonna be really can we get the image again? Yeah, you're riding on thee a happy little all right, So Jake us tell us the information you told me last night. So there was a lawyer who he claims due to his caseload and the amount of work and pressure he was under.

53:15 This lawyer was using AI to assist in creating essentially his arguments in court, his opening closing statements, his arguments during the case. And the AI program was spitting out case references and citing cases from all over the country and Supreme court cases. And said lawyer won a lot of the cases that he used this in until somebody started digging in and finding out that a lot of the case references that AI was using were made up. They didn't exist.

54:04 So the AI was pulling case references from scripts for arguments and thesis statements that you know, people write in college, and it was just grabbing these because it was McDonald v. United States or whatever. Yeah, and it's like, oh, okay, this is a legal document, legal case. Throw it into the argument and presented as such. Dude got busted, got called out for it. So this happened actually back in June, lawyer who cited cases concocted by AI asked judge despair sanctions. So lawyer asked a Manhattan federal judge not to sanction him after he included made up case citations generated by an AI intelligence chatbot and a legal brief. They so, in this one instance that they've pulled so far, the open AI's chat GPT program helped to research the brief, which which cited six non existent court decisions six and one case.

55:22 Wow. Right, let's think of the gravity of that situation. Yeah, it ships out of fucking control. That means that in that case, was he was he a defense attorney or was he a prosecutor? So let's see this case was it was a personal injury case against Avianca Airlines. So he was a he was a client representative, he was a client's lawyer who was suing Avionic Airlines for person prosecution. Yeah, so this this person won presumably a lawsuit against a corporation based on ship that didn't happen. Now this is just one instance. I mean, think about the people that could be convicted of crimes based on this or not convicted based on this. Didn You say that this like opens up a wormhole for all the mistrials. Yeah, anything that has been used. You know, it used to be the cases that were cited, you know, they were easily defined, easily found, easily cited. Now there's so much going on. Uh, these cases being propagated by AI being used in criminal cases, and if a prosecutor uses it

57:01 and somebody is found guilty based on a cited circumstance and case, and then that case actually doesn't exist and it can't be cited as a legal precedent. Now you've got mistrials, right, which is good because the people who went to jail false are getting out, But the fact that people are at risk of going to jail falsely because of AI, right. I mean, you can literally just type anything up and make a website and if you use the right keywords and search words and hot buttons to tag your article, it could be complete bs. But as long as the right stuff is in there, chat, GPT or any of the other AI will it'll pull it and it'll use it and whatever referencing it's doing. So let's think about what that's going to cost the American people. You've got anything that any court case that's happened since the advent of AI, chat GTP, somebody that was convicted could call from you know, call for a mistrial, like, hey, let's let's investigate this. So we're going to tie up court time, court costs, checking all of references in all these court cases to make sure that the lawyers that preceded didn't use falsified court references. That's fucked up, dude. This

58:39 this is going to cost millions. Yeah, and you've got a US judge who is ordering lawyers to sign an AI pledge stating that they didn't use AI in their arguments and case proceedings. And I mean people are people. Not obviously there's the jokes about lawyers, but people are people. They're gonna do whatever's easy and whatever they can do to make them win. So, yeah, they sign it. How many people get caught for perjury lying under oath? You signed it? If you do enough and kind of pad your case enough, is anybody really gonna find it? There's gonna have to be people who you hire to dig into this. Yeah, that's that. Shit is becoming more and more of a mess. And I think it's personally, I just think it's fucking dangerous. That it's oh, it's incredibly dangerous. It's we're not even at real AI here, you know what I mean. This isn't actual artificial intelligence. It's a it's a program and there, you know what I mean. And it's literally that already this is fucking dangerous, causing immense amounts of chaos. You know, it's I mean, you've got fucking people that are getting either convicted or not convicted based on falsified information that's coming off of a computer. And then you've got people creating fucking kiddie porn with it. I mean, this is it's fucking disgusting, and it's terrifying to see if it's not. If somebody doesn't put a leash on this ship, where's it going to be in five years? Well, you guys, you

1:00:16 guys know about this, like celebrities now, Like, first of Bill has sold his likeness. You know, he can't act anymore, He can't act anymore, so he sold his likeness so that they can put him in movies. So pretty soon you're you're not even I mean you're you're gonna have to literally sit there and wonder while you're watching a movie if the guy's actually even fucking there. Yeah. I think we talked about this previously. I think that was one of the things I said was that you know, it's it's now it's going to be a financial thing, you know, because you could you could easily just put somebody's face over another face and now you've got that actor or you've caught them in a in a compromising position, right, Yeah, I mean this is it's out of control. Something has to be done before because it's only a matter of time before somebody does something fucked up with it, you know, and keep in mind when it does come to a head. We tried to warn you, We tried. Yeah, we're in good company. People a lot smarter than us have tried to warn too.

1:01:19 Yes, right, I think we'll be We'll probably be the first thing that fucking AI targets. These guys have been talking ship for seasons on this. So yeah, we me and Tyler one day, like was playing with the AI on here after you got off Denny, and we couldn't get it to find us, Like if you typed us in, it didn't know who the hell we were. So we're safe at the moment from that one. From that one for now. Uh, speaking of being being out in the public eye, we got uh. I wanted to. I wanted to throw a big thank you out there. It's twenty seven thousand of you have made us your top ten podcast, and seventeen thousand of you made us your top five, and thank you for that. I still mind blowing that you all even listen to us. How many congratulations guys with number one? I think, yeah, you know what, I'd have to dig back through it and find it. But number one was like half of the seventeen thousand. It was three thousand, seven hundred and three. There you go, There you go.

1:02:32 So you three thousand that made us your number one. You've really got to get their standards higher, Okay. I mean there's lots of good shows out there. That's amazing. I didn't even know we had twenty seven thousand listeners on spots. It's unbelievable. And believe me, when that came through in the email, I sat here, I was getting ready for work, and I sat here on the like right here, drinking my coffee, and I'm like, that can't be right. What right? So I'm I don't want to speak for everybody, but I'm gonna say from from my from the bottom of my heart, I am very humbled by that. Holy shit, Wow, just being in your top ten is amazing to me. If we were in your top fifty, I'd be like, really cool. You know, that's so awesome. Thank you so much out there. Any traction that our little show has is literally because of you. So you know what, give yourself a little pat on the back for me. Right, that's incredible, guys, Congratulations on that, by the way, Thank you, thank you. It's really cool. They've watched us talk shit, they've watched us look into Bigfoot, aliens, ghost conspiracies, AI then go back and talk shit about ghosts and Bigfoot, and they've stuck with us through it, and I, I don't know why, but thank you so much. It's awesome.

1:04:03 I just wanted to make sure I didn't forget because yeah, so yeah, pretty cool. But guys, we're we're at a buck forty six on this. Uh yeah, do you guys want to I don't know, Should I should? I? I mean, what do you? Okay, here's another one? Should I should? I bust this in half and we make the next one we record after this this season finale. Oh, because we're we're at the time of year, We're we're at the holidays, and this is where it starts getting hard for us to record. Yeah, and yeah, we wanted to do a live show, right, like a live broadcast. Yeah, I wanted to talk to you guys. I've been wanting to talk to you guys about that. When we want to try to do that, I'm actually trying to pull up like, yeah, I totally forgot.

1:04:53 It's already December. Yeah, so we're looking at uh, we're looking at hiatus time. Yeah, I'm just about we go on our month long vacation. Ye, we do our live at the end of the year. I still think that we should we should do Like, that's my birthday, yep, it's also the birthday of the show, So probably not gonna happen on my birthday. I'm just gonna go ahead and put that out there. Reasonable, what about the twenty ninthis right, I'm all, I don't think we're gonna get much I don't think we're gonna get much traction on the twenty ninth, because that's the Friday before New Year's. Yeah, and so the New Year's is going to be a party all weekend. I was thinking one of the next couple of weeks, either the eleventh, orty eighteenth. The eleventh is a Monday, The eighteenth is a Monday. Are you wanting to go live? Oh? I see, I see, So maybe like what the fifteenth do do alive, do an episode, drop an episode on on the eleventh, and then go live on the fifteenth or something, or sixteenth we'd go, I would say we do live on the sixteenth, because fifteenth would be band practice. Oh yeah, okay, well let's do that. This will be about as planned as we get for. This is actually way better than we usually do. Yeah. We usually just like show up to it, like, hey, we're live. Yeah. So I think what we should do is is make it to where a few listeners can get a link

1:06:25 to join in and we can have them on for fifteen to twenty minutes and then boot them and get the next person on or whatever if they're interested, you know, be awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm down. It's been It's been a fun, interesting year. There's been so many good topics and so many good milestones. To be honest, I feel like this year was the year of milestones for the show. More than more than anything, we just we crushed a bunch of shit. Man. We got a website, we got T shirts, and shit, we went on a field trip. I mean, well, we went on a couple of field trips, didn't we Or was that last season we went to oh no, no, we only went on one this year. One this year, yeah, one last year. Yeah. So yeah, it's been it's been really damn fun this year, and it's going to be really fun trying to figure out a way to top it next year. And uh and I think i'll uh during the live I'll uh, you're gonna reveal the colors. I might, I might reveal the colors for our fucking colors. Bro. Yeah, we need to see what our season four colors are going to be. And it's exciting because yeah, we've worn this all year and it's out of style now we're nothing if not vogue. Right, you guys have got to do a field trip down here and do the uh the Haunted Wilmington, North Carolina Tour.

1:07:50 I'm in Yeah, I'm ready to go back. I love it the history that they do during the tour as well as the haunted history of it. Wilmington's a really interesting place and the history down here is pretty neat and the uh the Haunted history is quite intriguing as well. And depending on the time of year, they do the We've got the USS North Carolina Battleship here in Wilmington and they do a Haunted Tour of it as well. That's amazing to me. I'm in dude, like, I'm I wonder if they would like get on us, if we like throw off the cameras and yeah, talk shit and you know, the Haunted Wilmington Tour. Uh, they are open to questions and scheduling things. So as far as taking like a go pro and recording while on it, it does not seem that they have an issue with that. It'd be cool if they would like lock us in, you know what I mean, like like put us in there and just lock the doors and let us just wander around. We won't touch anything and break nothing. The whole town of Wilmington. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna shut down the town and uh and just walk through and you know, like stumble around and look at things, go through people's personal belongings looking for ghosts and you know what I mean, and just things like that. Get their fridges.

1:09:20 Now, there are bars on the on the Haunted Wilmington tour. There we go with bars. We need to investigate the bars to make sure that for hours. We need to investigate. They absolutely do that. I heard that most ghosts like to hang out in the kegs. We should get to the bottom of that, get to the bottom of that out Yeah, so you were going to say we need to lock Tyler in there. I feel like I got that out of my system. I think we should put you in the bottom of the belly of that the battleship down there. Hell, it's a neat experience being in there. I would like to go do that.

1:10:05 I think that'd be awesome, that'd be bad ass. Yeah, it's a it's a hell of a hell of a drive out there, and there's some beautiful, beautiful country. And then I have to well, Wilmington's a little bit north of where I was. South is it south? Yep? Oh, okay, my bad, I stand corrected. Wilmington south of where I was. But I can tell you that the reveal of going where I went, when you crest that bridge, there's nothing like it. I've never seen anything like it on earth. And that's a cool part of town too, because I mean that flag that Jake's got behind his head there, you know. Yeah, there's some pretty neat history there in that little park.

1:10:50 That little island called Topsail Island. It's out got its name. Yep, it's black beards sails should do like like try to map it out to see if we can hit like spots on along the way that are like haunted or have like unexplained things. Yeah. I mean it'll take you through West Virginia, which has got plenty I mean, come on, it's West Virginia. Yeah, but I mean, yeah, then you've got Mont is it Mont Pilier, which is not Montpiler Mont Mount there's Pilot Mountain, Pilot Mountain. That's what I was looking for, Mount Pilot. Andy Griffiths show. Nice.

1:11:30 Yeah, the Mayberry town is there, yep. Awesome, like a jail house. You could sit in Andy Griffith's chair like the whole ship. Yeah, that'd be fine. Hell yeah, what do you guys out there? Things you think we should go should be? Send us one thousand dollars, Send us one thousand dollars and tell us so we could afford to do this ship. Yeah awesome. I'd love to have you guys down here for it. And yeah, we're probably going to reveal something big. I think. I don't know if we disclosed it beforehand. I know we were talking a little bit about it, but there's something big changes on the horizon for us. Yeah, four opener, I think we should. We should definitely talk about that. Yeah, I guess, uh visually too, so you'll you'll you'll see something different. Oh yeah, now I'm confused. Yeah, I was looking at anyway he said. When you said that, I'm like, just an you know something I don't. And then I saw the look in his eyes, like, well, you guys know, but I feel like I'm being very vague. Ah, you're vague casting Yeah, well okay, I know one of the in this. So yeah, it's the longer that clock runs, the more I have to edit. Yeah, so gonna cut this one and a half. So seeing a couple of weeks for that live, how's that? Yeah? I would love to touch on some topics that we didn't get to. Uh if whenever, you guys want to have

1:13:04 me on again. If you are you busy on the sixteenth, well you could come do the live with us. That'd be awesome. If you're busy, No I am not shit, let's do that. Let's get Jake on for the live. Try to get some other folks to jump on with us. Make this a big panel and talk. I'd be really fun. So anybody who wants to jump on and bullshit with us. Let us know, hit us up. Yeah, it'd be awesome. We'll have Jake tell us some more, some more mysteries, interesting mysteries, dive a little deeper into some AI stuff that we didn't get to touch on today. Absolutely, we've got a further paint the target on our backs for AI and I'm in and we'll tell them, look them right in the eyes, and we'll stand up tall and straight when we face AI and we'll say Jake made us do it.

1:13:51 I'm fine with it. It's all Jack, I'm with it. Lad to heavy on, man, it's always fun. Glad to be on guys. Thank you very much. Will Oh. That was a personal kiss to Joe. That was a personal, personal, personal one. Wow. Wow, that's that's a pretty big He's like, I'm never coming back to this podcast. No, I'm I'm now he's he's coming back. I'm thrilled he was. He was thinking about ghosting before, but now I'm honored. I mean, that was that was a personal one to me. Yeah, me and Joshph never even got those. That's a big deal. Yeah, all right, you guys out there take care of each other and uh, you know, we'll see you good week. See you guys. Thanks guys.

1:14:47 Remember the last one he had to come back and do it twice because he missed missed one. I like that. I like accountability and consistency there, you know, yeah, because what was it a disconnected or something? Yeah, you're your fucking your computer, fucking AI right out fucking it literally looks like you're drinking a rolling rock. A fucking they don't know what time we record this. That fucking color that can looks exactly like the rolling rock. I can't tell you how close it's been for me to put a rolling rock in my lunchbox because the cans are right next to each other in the same fridge, and I'm like, oh, nope, not that one. Let's not take beer to work, No I have. I asked beer man, a beer, damn it, a beer we can't get into. Do about