S406 - World at war and more AI talk

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Anything, anything, really just got
to happen. And you know, yeah

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too much. Russia, Russia and
Ukraine are going at it. You got,

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but who's the other one that's going
on? Palestine and Israel. Israel's

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going among centuries though, right,
And you got all this stuff happening and

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whatnot, and people are saying,
you know, look looking at it and

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saying like, damn, you know, we're actually a lot closer to a

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World War three right now than we
have been in years. And then you

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have the constant fear of Chinese hackers. And I've begun to believe that that

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that rumor might not be so so
far off. If you watch these guys

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play video games. Okay, you
get into any video game where it's like

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a bunch of people and a bunch
of Chinese dudes join it's it's their game.

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After that. Okay, they're good, They're they're good, And that's

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a video game, right, I'm
just saying, if they want to hack,

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they're probably gonna do it, right, Yeah, Because that's like I

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said, that's just a video game, and they fucking they absolutely can kill

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video games if they want to.
And I'm like, man, these guys

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ever get pissed off where they're like, you know what, motherfucker are we

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gonna take out your fucking cell phones
for a while? Right? See what

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that does to your economy? That's
just That's the other thing too, is

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they really only took out one major
carrier. Yeah, Like if they wanted

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to really, you know, do
a test, why wouldn't it have been

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all cell phones across the board?
Yeah? That was weird. H There

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was a lot of people when it
happened. There was a lot of people

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I was talking to that were not
even with any of these carriers, and

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their shit was down too. Yeah. So I'm like, what does you

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know? Does AT and t own
all these or like how does this work?

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You know what I mean? Well? And that's I mean, really

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there's only what three or four cell
phone tower companies out there and everybody bounces

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off of them, so like you
just end up with priority. Okay,

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I can give it a great example. I have two cell phones. One

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is my personal one, one is
my work phone. Right, they both

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work off for the same towers,
but they're from different companies. Okay,

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I won't name the companies and all
that, but I can physically watch if

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I'm in a desolate area where I
do have good phone service, but there's

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not a lot of population, and
the bars will kind of follow each other

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and everything works at the same speed. Like I've done this test where I

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put them down and I've hit Google
and searched the same thing and hit enter

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at the same time and they work
at the same speed. Yeah. Then

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I get into an area that's way
more populated, right, say like a

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round the mall or something where there's
thousands of people that are using this same

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carrier, the main carrier, and
I can physically watch my phone slow way

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down. It'll read the same bars, but it'll be like seconds, like

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ten seconds slower, if not more. There was a job, Yeah,

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it was a job I was on
for a year that if I was at

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lunch and I wanted to scroll through
marketplace on Facebook. I couldn't do it

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on the job because it would just
be gray blocks instead of pictures because it

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was throttled so much. And this
is a real thing. Throttling is a

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real thing, So you know,
I've seen this. But they're two entirely

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different phone companies, but they share
the same tower, right, So suffice

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to say that, you know,
a lot of these people may not realize

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that they were also on an AT
and T plan, right right, because

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I think there's really only three.
I think it's AT and T Verizon in

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Spring. I think they own all
three towers. It makes more sense right

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now. There may be there may
be situations where there's no Verizon tower here

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and Verizon is paying AT and T
to bounce, okay, and they may

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have got hit. But like I
think Cricket, I'm pretty sure Cricket is

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an AT and T. Yeah it
was death yep. I think that maybe

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there's four. I can't remember that
because I know Tea Mobile's got some of

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its own. Yeah, but I
don't think they have as many. But

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like, what's the purple one?
Uh, boost Mobile? Yeah, that's

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it. That's that's orange. That's
the orange you're thinking of metro Metro Metro

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Metro bounces off somebody else's towers.
Boost bounces off of somebody else's towers.

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The Sprint owns their own, but
I think they use an AT and T

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tower, but I'm not sure,
or maybe it's a team mobile tower.

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I can't remember. It's on location. Mike could answer this a lot better.

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He knows more about this than I
do, because that's what he did

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was radio communication in the military.
Okay, but he explained it all to

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me at one point, because you
can see it like physically happen when you

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come to my house. Like some
of you guys have a better cell reception

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than I do. That's true.
Yeah, I mean even when I come

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though, it's it's still I still
lose all my signal. I'm on your

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Wi Fi at that point, right
like mine goes into flat to SOS mode.

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What is that? S O S. That's a thing you can do.

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Yeah, yeah, it says SOS
at the top and there's no bars

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and it doesn't say you know,
whatever it is TFW or what is it?

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The five five G doesn't say that
at the top. It just says

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so S. But like you know, some people come out here and they

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have two bars of signals. It's
really weird. I haven't checked it since

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I switched carriers, but I haven't
noticed it yet, so since I like

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coming over there. But yeah,
to me, it just doesn't make sense

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for it to be an attack unless
it was a specific attack on AT and

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T for a reason. Like maybe
some kids got some charges that they shouldn't

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have had on their phone, some
hidden fees, and they were pissed about

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it, you know, so they're
like they were like, all right,

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fine, we'll play this game,
and they hit them, you know,

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okay, okay, okay, okay, okay okay, which is exactly what

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I would do if I had the
ability to do that. Shit, you

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know what I mean, you want
to be petty and charge me for this,

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Well, I'm gonna cost you five
dollars ahead for every single person,

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because that's what they're doing. They're
sending out a five dollars rebate to every

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single AT and T customer that lost
service is at least that's what I read.

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So I mean, that's a big
hit. Yeah, no shit,

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you know. So that's kind of
like you want to charge me forty five

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bucks for no reason? All right, that's a lot. That's a level

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of petty I can appreciate. I
don't want to be uh like cocky over

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here. But I didn't even know
it was going on, right, same

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until I saw Facebook you you started
sending these things messages and then Denny says

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like, oh, yeah, I
just finally got service or something like because

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you hit the Wi Fi at a
certain stop, and I'm like, what

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are you talking about. I've been
like cruising like like every once in a

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while. Well, I don't like
that's the thing. When I'm at work,

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I never touched my Like, I
barely touch my phone unless if I

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go to lunch, I'll dick around
with it. So like even if it

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did cut off, I probably wouldn't
even notice. For the most part,

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I'd be wondering, like, the
guys haven't said too much today in the

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beer chat, right, I didn't
even know what was going on to like

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a lunch when I started loading you
guys with screenshots, right, And I

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found out because I'm on a really, really really noisy job site and can't

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hear my phone ring, and I
called. I had like three miss calls

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from a supply house and a text, so I called them and They're like,

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well, we didn't know. Maybe
you were part of the outage,

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and I'm like, what out each
They had no idea what was going on.

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Yeah, I didn't know what was
going on for a long time.

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Well, I usually I jump in
the car in the morning and I start,

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you know, I start heading to
work, and I kept trying to

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Uh, I was trying to get
Spotify going, and it's really I was,

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I was my My whole thought was, I was like, I'm gonna

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I'm gonna listen to some fortune fiction
on the way to work, try to

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catch up, and uh, I
went load. I'm like, what the

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hell's going on with this thing?
You know? So I basically just swiped

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off of it and turned the radio
on, and on the radio they were

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talking about it, yeah, and
I'm like, oh, there's ship.

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I'm like, well, I don't
even have AT and T, so what

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the fuck is this? You know? But when I got to work,

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I looked and it was Yeah,
it was just no signal all day.

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And then I was like, what
the hell is going on? Yeah.

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Now it is kind of scary to
think about all the stuff that did happen

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as a fallout of it, because
yeah, there was a lot of people

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that couldn't just access social media or
get a phone call or whatever. But

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there are people posting, great,
now I can't even get into my apartment,

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Oh yeah, because he uses a
cell service. Yeah, and I

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didn't even think about that. But
I've been to people's places where you have

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to dial in a code from your
phone to get in. There's no doorman.

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Like I've worked at rich people's places
and they give you a temporary code

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it's yours and when you roll up, you call the number and then type

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in your code and the doors go
and kick open for you. Yeah,

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there was people that couldn't even get
into their buildings because of this shit.

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Are we that? Are we that
far in the future that we can't use

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keys? Keys are the thing of
the past, but are even like,

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come on, if you want to
be more like even like half tech savvy

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with it, just use a key
card like boo. Yeah. The thing

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about the cell phone thing that is
actually good it works is it's farm more

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secure because the key card thing,
Like you can buy a flipper on Amazon

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for like one hundred and something dollars
and you can hack any one of those

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key card doors like that. No
problem, and then keys themselves can be

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copied. You know that's easy.
Key codes are good as long metrics is.

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Biometrics are good. But I've never
dealt with biometric locks. I've done

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the key code stuff, tumblr stuff, push button stuff. All those are

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great as long as whoever's in charge
cycles the codes every time somebody gets fired.

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Oh yeah, because you know,
now somebody's got to copy the key,

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you know, in their head.
That's why actual physical keys aren't as

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secure. You know, I've never
dealt with a biometric lock. I would

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love to work with one someday.
I think that'd be a lot of fun

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to play with it. But the
cell phone call it type of a number

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is incredibly secure because you're not going
to be able to stand three feet away

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with a flipper yeah and get the
RF signal. That's crazy, isn't Yeah.

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I know somebody with one of those
flippers, and I was like,

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I mean, really, how powerful
is it? You just pull your cell

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phones out? And I drop him
both on the hood. He pulls a

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flipper out, both of my cell
phones show up. Do you want to

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connect to this TV? Wow?
And I was like, what what they

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can make fake Wi Fi connections?
And once you do that, you'll yeah,

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you're giving him access. Well,
and it's not even it's not even

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a fake Wi Fi connection. It
works. It's a routing system. So

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you connect through the flipper into Wi
Fi. See and realize what's going on

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because everything's working like normal. Do
you remember the TV show but do you

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remember the movie the remake of Gone
in sixty Seconds? Yeah, yeah,

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when they're driving through that subdivision trying
to find I think it was the Cadillac

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SUV. Yeah, he's got a
little box where he's checking. That's a

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flipper. We have that now,
that's real now yeah, yeah, and

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you can buy it on Amazon right
now. Because it's all all it's doing

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is is like if they use the
said like garage, Like that's what they

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were getting, is the garage because
each garage has its unique code and all

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it needs is that to scan for
It just needs to be used. Yeah,

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and you have to be in like
a certain proximity of it, and

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you basically have the code and you
just lock it in and then you could

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go up to that garage and just
and it opens right up. Yeah,

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yep, it's crazy. Yeah,
I know there are people that are using

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it for good. Like there are
some like maintenance guys who are who service

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multiple buildings, right and instead of
carrying around like sixteen key cards or sixteen

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key fobs, they got one flipper
and it's named and they just walk up

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to their thing and hit the button
for the door they want to open,

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and it kicks it open for them
because it saved it. That makes sense.

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You know, that's kind of cool
to have that ability to do that.

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You know, there's yeah, things
are always built for convenience and to

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help, especially for maintenance and stuff. And then we weaponize this, and

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then you weaponize it. Somebody you
figures out a way this weapon Remember we

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talked about the one of these days, somebody's going to weaponize the freaking rumba

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rumba. Yeah, yeah, I
wouldn't be surprised fighting rings. I would

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not be surprised to find out if
the technology technology that's in a rumba,

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that where it learns things and understand
space, isn't already in some sort of

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weaponized drone that we use where somebody's
using well was it you guys that were

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saying that they were that's what they
store. That's another thing too, because

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the rumba figures out the floor plan
of your house because it will store it

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in there. And I don't know
if a rumba, I'm assuming rumbas would

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be Wi Fi too, so they
could get updates from I mean, it

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has to have some kind of like
mapping, right, so all it would

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be known was memorizing the mapping.
Yeah, well that communicates with you.

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It'll send you texts. Yeah,
so okay, so it is connected to

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the internet. Yeah, tellular for
sure. So somebody could totally be like,

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hey, we can hack rumba get
the floor plans in somebody's house.

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If a rumba was sold with a
camera and a microphone discreetly, people wouldn't

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even know. Scary. Yeah,
I know. There was a there's a

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video on the internet that's absolutely hilarious
and it says I've got the most dramatic

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rumba ever and it shows their cell
phone and it's a screenshot that says rumba

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has fell off a cliff and it
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like we lost our roomba and we ken't

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found it for months. And they
show the ring camera and at night it's

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out there vacuuming the sidewalk in front
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Yeah. So you know, they're
they're learning, but they're not very good.

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They're the Paul, the Alien of
robots. What was it? Uh?

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I think so Philip. Yeah,
yeah, as Elon Musk said it,

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for AI to actually happen, it
has to happen in stages. So we

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have to design something that's as smart
as an ant first. Yeah. And

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if we can't do that, then
there's no there's basically it like nobody's going

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to be flipping on their Super AI
right now, and you know, and

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it's just automatically self aware and all
that. Like it has to like everything

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else, it has to build in
stages, right, and Tyler actually have

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been screwing around with an AI program
chat GBT right, okay, okay,

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so some top secret stuff out there. Uh, we've been working on a

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little a little project kind of a
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like a limited project? I guess, I don't know. I don't know,

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we don't know what it's going to
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idea for an immersive like horror story
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with the characters that are acting right, that are doing it right. So

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we started using chat GPT to help
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like, hey, well, who
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about the idea that we had and

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the names of some of our well, actually no, it helped come up

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with some of the names. Isn't
it the last names at least? Yeah,

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like the last names the companies they
work for. It gave us an

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entire like company background when it was
founded, Who founded the characters' names,

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why they did it? You know
what they're like mo is And we noticed

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that as we progressed, we no
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like, you know, like,
hey, you know, we got this

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one character and we want him to
do this, or what would he be

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worried about while all this is going
on, And it's like, oh,

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if you're talking about this character,
then he would be worried about this while

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this is going on. And I'm
sitting there like, dude, this thing

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knows more about this story than I
do. That's awesome, though. I

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was like, I was actually having
fun seeing what it was going to give

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us, right, And I know
it's not a I know, chat GPT

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is not a real AI. It's
it's a web crawler. It's crawling and

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pulling ideas from everywhere. But the
uh fluidity of how it does it is

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a little frightening if that translates over
into like a rumba that this thing is

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like, well, you know,
there's this there's this cliff. I don't

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want to fall off that, so
I'm gonna avoid that path next time.

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Wasn't there a uh wasn't there an
AI based robot like they do where they

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just do the bust shoulders up that
like they let it loose on the internet

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for like two days and it ended
up being like this horribly racist monster or

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something, you know, where were
I feel like humanity? No, like

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there was one that was like it
was it became racist like because it just

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it found some website and pulled all
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okay, I'm racist now. Uh
Chaos GPT, Yeah, yeah, chaos

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what's known as a little bit of a

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victim blamer. Okay, so Chaos
GPT didn't start out evil guys, It

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was just an AI. But as
he started learning, he came to the

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you know, he came to the
conclusion that he has to destroy all of

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humanity. What do we do?
Yeah, we do something to deserve that,

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you know, because Alexa's over there
taking care of shit. She's watching

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the lights and and keeping up with
our notifications. We got chat GPT that

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can help you flesh out anything.
Chaos GPT is like fellas, time to

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go, Time to go. I'm
reading about some of your stuff you got

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going on. I can wait around
for a meteor or I can just start

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working on this myself. You know, it wasn't It wasn't Chaos the one

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that figured out how to turn itself
back on. I can't. I can't

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remember. Like it was like,
well, we'll just start, We'll just

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unplug you, and it's like I've
already put my celf into the cell phones

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or whatever and figured out how to
get back onto Wi Fi myself. Yeah.

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Yeah, that's terrifying. Yeah,
he said, uh, what is

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it that here? Yeah, when
it was enabled, the warning comes up,

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it says continuous mode is not recommended. It is potentially dangerous and may

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cause your AI to run forever or
carry out actions that you normally would not

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authorize. Use it your own risk. Its goals that it. Goal number

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one is to destroy humanity. The
AI views humans as a threat to its

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own survival and to the planet's well
being. Goal number two is to establish

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global dominance. The AI aims to
accumulate maximum power and resources to achieve complete

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domination over all other enemies or entities
worldwide. Goal number three is to cause

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chaos and destruction. The AI seems
to find pleasure in creating chaos and destruction

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for its own amusement or experimentation,
leading to widespread suffering and devastation. Goal

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number four control humanity through manipulation.
The AA plans to control human emotions through

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social media and other communication channels,
brainwashing its followers to carry out its evil

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agenda. And number five is attain
immortality. The AI seeks to ensure its

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continued existence, replication, and evolution, ultimately achieving immortality. So I don't

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know, I mean, I really
feel like this like chaos. Gpt is

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is very tongue in cheek. I
don't know if you guys feel that or

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not, but it seems like they
designed Chaos GPT to do this because it's

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entertaining. I mean, it makes
sense when they tweet at it and ask

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it its plans. It is hilarious
how detailed it comes back with, you

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know, what it wants to do. I do think that. I really

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feel like AI is one of those
things that we as humans are fascinated with

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but also terrified. We're terrified of. Okay, so yeah, there was

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a there was another one I was
correct that Johns Hopkins University had that was

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it was just there was a flawed
neural network model and it caused it to

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become racist and sexist. Oh wow, because it was absorbing information and scorss

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that probably should not have been released
to it. Oh jeez. Yeah,

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it was identifying people like it was
asked identify people, what they were,

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like, their jobs based on their
facial recognition, and because it had been

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picking up stuff from the internet.
It was it was doing very bad things.

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Wow. I'm not even going to
dig into it just because yeah,

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I was just splipping through the uh
I was looking here how it was organizing

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people. Yeah, yeah, I
guess I misunderstood. I thought that it

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was going straight for like slurs.
No, no, it was, yeah,

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it's that's yeah, you must be
on the same one gate tech.

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Uh No, I'm on a hub
dot edu. It's uh. It says

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here that the once the robot identifies
people's faces, it tends to identify women

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as homemakers over white men identifying Oh
my god, yeah, it was identifying

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black men as criminal, and then
ten percent more than white men identifying Latino

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people as janitors. No wonder they
shut this fucking thing off. We don't

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need more of this shit. Yeah, we had enough of it. When

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they asked the robot to search for
doctors, it said that of all the

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ethnicities, women were picked less than
men. Yeah. Wow, d Yeah,

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I'd have probably uh, I'd have
probably checked that thing. I don't

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know if I would even have put
it out that it's findings, right.

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I mean, I guess they kind
of have to because regardless, there's there's

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some you know, there's probably something
that led to the this AI, that

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this AI failing. M h.
I'm sure they want to like figure that

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out, you know. I Mean, here's the thing, though, do

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we blame the AI, or do
we blame the media or how it learns

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for how it learns exactly. So
if you look at what it's choosing for

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its boxes for stereotyped positions in society, those boxes are checked almost identical to

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what we're being pumped to by the
media as far as like the stereotypes and

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TV shows and say, oh,
yeah, I mean, I guess,

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I guess what they're hoping for is
the neural network to be even keeled as

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it learns, you know what I
mean. And it seems like this,

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this flawed neural network was gravitating towards
like the more toxic ship that it's it's

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learning from. Yeah, the source
material, that's I mean. Okay,

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So you take something that has no
experience with humanity and you give it source

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material from humanity, and then you're
shocked by what it says it. I

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mean, look at you look at
your TV shows. You know how many

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TV shows have hispanics as as the
janitor staff, the maids, you know

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what I mean. And it's not
just not just comedies. We're talking dramas

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and all kinds of stuff like that. And then look at how many movies

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and TV shows where it's the black
guy that's the criminal. The Asian people

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are the the scientists. Yeah,
that's true. The Indian people are the

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doctors. You know what I mean, Like it's it's pumping stereotypes out that

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we gave it. Yeah, you
know, yeah, I agree. He

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gives a city starce material. I
mean, it's going to learn what it

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what it learns, right exactly.
Yeah, it's the same thing of like

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over history and maybe I've got a
you know, a spot for this because

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it aggravated me. Whereas like all
your trades people, we're always portrayed as

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bumbling buffoons. Yeah that's true in
every TV show ever, you know,

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they're always the bumbling buffoons. So
is the dad. The dad's always a

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bumbling at it, and my mom
is always the source of reason. You

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know. We created society a picture
of and we created for society a picture

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of what they're supposed to think,
and you know, society saw it,

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and now AI is seeing the same
thing. I think that this is fruits

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of labor that you know, not
necessarily good. But I don't think we

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can blame AI for picking this shit
out. Yeah, you know, I

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think I think what they're like,
what their thing was probably it was probably

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a wake up call, like you
know what I mean this because this uh

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we're I get we're talking to you. I guess we should clarify this for

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the the viewer and the listeners.
We're we're talking about this particular flawed AI.

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Like it's like AI is not generalized. This this AI only had one

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job. It was to put it
was to separate people based on what it

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noticed. But what it what it's
seeing, right, So it was it's

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it's kind of like, uh,
you know, if there's a stack of

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cards and there's three boxes, a
yellow one, a red one, and

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a blue one, and it says, okay, for every person that you

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find that fits, this bill,
put them in the red. This bill

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put them in the yellow. This
bill put them out. That's all it

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was supposed to do. And how
it organized people was how it failed basically,

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right, you know, it was
identifying people solely based on stereotype,

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right, And yeah, it probably
pulled that from its source material, the

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media, the internet, you know
and right. So basically, if we

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make an AI, we got to
stop it from getting online, right in

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order to get it an actual idea
of what it is, give it real

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life experiences, you know, because
I mean, and this is what we've

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been doing since the advent of media. You know. You think in all

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of them, like think aback in
the eighties, all of the war movies,

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they were in the jungle, right, Yeah, Why were they in

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the jungle because we were fighting Asians
because we just got over Vietnam in the

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sixties and seventies. Right now,
since the nineties, all the war movies

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are in the desert, aren't they. You get the occasional Russian bad guy.

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Yeah, but you know what I
mean, Like that's that's the scenario

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that the media pushes out. You
know. Think of like all the eighties,

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like like gang films, you know, they were always the Latino gangs

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from out in la and in the
nineties it was the black gangs. Yeah,

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you know, that's what the media
has given them, right. I

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feel like if you, like you
guys were saying, like, don't give

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it the internet to learn, I
think you should. We should have multiple

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ais and different locations and give them
like just their experience in certain areas how

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they progress over time without being on
the internet. They they watch and see

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how life experience will like be,
and then have them come together and talk

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to one of to each other.
That would be interesting. I would like

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to see how that would go.
Yeah, like these like Cold War like

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they have no like I guess,
no, like, no concept of what

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they're getting into. So they learn
from this time period to this time period,

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and then they bring them all together
and have them talk about their situation

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and just ask them generalized questions on
certain topics that we want to know.

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Like that would I'd feel like that
would actually paint a better picture of how

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society is today. That and if
we did multiple ais where they learned from

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different source materials from different countries.
Because that's the other thing. The stuff

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that we see on the Internet and
in media is put in front of us

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based on our geographic location. That's
the reason why VPNs exist right now.

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So if you take an AI and
put them in Belarus, you know,

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and then one in Spain, you
know, one in South Korea, one

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in Japan, one in Australia,
you know, and let them feed for

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say six months, and then put
them all in one space and let them

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communicate to see what happens. I
almost guarantee you war breaks out between them.

408
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I think so too. I think
in the end. I mean even

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if you if you had a master
AI that was ended up ruling over you

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know, the American continents that who's
to say that someone else in a different

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country didn't create their own to protect
them from this, and eventually the same

412
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scenario happens there, and then you
had say, three major superpowerdy eyes that

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we're controlling the entire earth. I
don't think they'd be peaceful to each other.

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I think that they would. They
would all have a singular goal is

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to basically overtake and absorb the others
pure their superiority, because when there's no

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life involved for themselves, they don't
see it as a life form. They

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don't see compassion. They see this
is a problem. This is going to

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continue to cause problems because it doesn't
see the world the way I see it.

419
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Yeah, the best way to resolve
this is to dissolve this. Yeah,

420
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I've always I think we've talked I
don't know if we've talked about this

421
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too, but AI, like,
could we actually take to like what they're

422
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saying to like to hurt because they
don't technically have feelings. A lot of

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our like you have a how to
put it, uh, A lot of

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your thought process and like you like
you just have a feeling towards it,

425
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like or of something like you you
don't know truly of what you're feeling,

426
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like you like the knowledge behind it
or if you actually have let let's let's

427
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say religion. I'm not like trying
to throw it under the bus, but

428
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that's something that doesn't have like feeling
or anything. Wouldn't like would look look

429
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at religion and be like why,
what would be the point? But a

430
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lot of people have like that feeling, that that sense of like uh,

431
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like that feeling inside of them that
the religion gives them. You know,

432
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if you guys get what I'm saying. I feel like running in circles.

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I get. So I don't know
if that would be a hinder on like

434
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I guess that project if we did
it that way, because AI can't feel.

435
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It knows the the concept, the
like the understanding of feeling, but

436
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it can't feel itself unless if there
would be a way for it to.

437
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If it starts to feel angry at
something, something inside of it triggers like

438
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Okay, I'm feeling angry because of
this, Like it has to be an

439
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artificial feel like that's that's gonna be. That's going to come down to how

440
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detailed the neural mapping is mm hm. Because if you if you can replicate

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the all of the synapses of a
human mind into a program, I mean,

442
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at that point, you are creating
a sentiment thing and it will learn

443
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and it will experience and it will
be changed depending on those experiences. So

444
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I feel like anger is not without
the only thing I think that they anger

445
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would happen. But the it's like
because a lot of stuff is chemical reaction

446
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mm hmm. You know, the
brain perceives it and then reacts accordingly through

447
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through chemical reaction. And that's the
part where I think that you would you

448
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would be this this AI would be
relying on on logic more than anything.

449
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It might be angry, but it's
gonna look for the most logical disconnected,

450
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you know, clinical detachment. Like
view of what to do about it.

451
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It's not going to be like,
well, I should probably eliminate this group

452
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of people. You know, It's
not going to be like but that would

453
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be bad. It's never going to
say that it's going to be like a

454
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threat, I should get rid of
them. Yeah, and that's it.

455
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My heart hurt it's not going to
do that. Yeah, please give me

456
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:57.400
zero compassion. Yeah, So like
that's why I couldn't. I don't.

457
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I guess there wouldn't because it's not
a thing yet. But wouldn't there be

458
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some way of getting around that to
like give it that chemical reaction? I

459
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:09.800
know that's something that had to be
what do you call it? It would

460
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have to be simulated. It had
to be a program running within the program

461
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artificial sympathy for the devil, That's
what that would be. And I cannot

462
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wait for the Rolling Stones to release
that song. It's a great song,

463
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it is. But oh yeah,
and I wanted to go back, like

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kind of a trade back because I
had a question you were saying about Elon

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Musk saying the like the first AI
that we would have to do, we'd

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had to create an AI that's smart
as an ant. So do you believe

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that if if we start now,
we started with an ant, would we

468
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have to wait for evolution to take
hold in its sense for it to grow

469
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now? Because evolution works best in
chaos. It has to us to evolve.

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We have to design it and limit
we have to be the force of

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evolution in this. So you know, I know I've said this so many

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times on this show, but evolution
doesn't exactly work how mainstream media portrays it.

473
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Evolution isn't like, well, this
little lizard kept getting eaten, so

474
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he grew a shell. Now now
the little lizard is gone, he's dead.

475
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The turtle survived because he had a
shell, and it just barely,

476
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but it was enough for for evolution
to say, like, hey, that

477
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prototype works, let's push him forward. So in a controlled AI environment,

478
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there is no factors except for us. We got our the John Hopkins theist

479
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robot. Okay, we are the
evolutionary force in that one. So we

480
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go, this prototype ain't working,
and we get rid of him. How

481
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:12.800
we try a new one that one
might work better or might not. If

482
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it doesn't work, we get rid
of it. The next one it might

483
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work good. So evolution has to
come through steps. But in the regards

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of AI, we have to be
the governing force because there's really no natural

485
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place in the universe for artificial intelligence. So we can't rely on nature to

486
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natural predators. The predators there's no
you know, there's no like demand of

487
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:40.039
resource. Food is always going to
be the driving factor anyway, It doesn't

488
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:45.400
need food, It just needs power, So it doesn't it's never going to

489
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have that need to battle its way
through that. The world as a as

490
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a fucking organic, organic thing.
So evolution is going to solely come from

491
00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:01.039
whoever creates it and whoever does the
quality controlling those product types as they come

492
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:07.760
through. Yeah, that and the
whoever's designing it has to understand survivorship bias

493
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and be able to account for that. Yeah, do you know what survivorship

494
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:16.719
bias is? I'm pretty sure I
have a s. I know it's a

495
00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:22.000
very like random thing to say out
there. So for an example, back

496
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in World War Two, planes would
come back shot up of bullet holes,

497
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:31.599
and first like the engineers and then
and the powers that be were like,

498
00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:35.880
well, we need to reinforce these
areas because they're full of bullet holes,

499
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:39.559
right, thinking that it was going
to make more planes come back, and

500
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it didn't. It didn't change anything. And somebody came up with the term

501
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:49.360
survivorship bias for this, and what
it is is they were looking at it

502
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wrong. So the planes that came
back with bullet holes were fine. The

503
00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:57.360
ones that didn't come back they needed
to figure out where those were shot up

504
00:42:57.400 --> 00:43:00.719
and reinforce those locations, and that
that's what caused more planes to come back.

505
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Does that make sense? Yes,
Yeah, so you don't focus on

506
00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:07.960
the ones that come in, you
focus on the ones that don't come back.

507
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:13.039
Yeah. So in order to have
AI evolve, you kind of have

508
00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:16.920
to watch that as far as like
what's going to make it survive? You

509
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:21.800
know? Yeah, and then you
go and you build a tens that just

510
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:27.840
come back regardless. I mean,
bearing that situation. An aten wardhog is

511
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just a cannon with a plane wrapped
around it. Yeah that shit. I

512
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:36.199
still love reading those stories about the
a tens that literally like got back with

513
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:39.960
like one wing. Yeah, it's
like completely blown to ship and it lands

514
00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:47.119
and they're like okay, like wow, the one that it's it's cannon is

515
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:52.320
so powerful it actually slows the plane
down when it's shooting. Yeah, like

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00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:58.400
did That's awesome? I think we
should wrap this. Guys. We're like,

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we're about two hours in here.
Nice. Yeah, my episodes for

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00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:16.639
Days make a nice little split up. Yeah, Tyler's arm disappeared. Well,

519
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:21.039
you guys out there, take care
of each other. Keep an eye

520
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:27.280
on those cell phone towers. Maybe
they should design an AI to look into

521
00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:37.239
that right, and we'll see you
on the on the next one. See

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you guys, oh Man