S406 - World at war and more AI talk

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1:08 Anything, anything, really just got to happen. And you know, yeah too much. Russia, Russia and Ukraine are going at it. You got, but who's the other one that's going on? Palestine and Israel. Israel's going among centuries though, right, And you got all this stuff happening and whatnot, and people are saying, you know, look looking at it and saying like, damn, you know, we're actually a lot closer to a World War three right now than we have been in years. And then you have the constant fear of Chinese hackers. And I've begun to believe that that that rumor might not be so so far off. If you watch these guys play video games. Okay, you get into any video game where it's like a bunch of people and a bunch of Chinese dudes join it's it's their game.

2:08 After that. Okay, they're good, They're they're good, And that's a video game, right, I'm just saying, if they want to hack, they're probably gonna do it, right, Yeah, Because that's like I said, that's just a video game, and they fucking they absolutely can kill video games if they want to. And I'm like, man, these guys ever get pissed off where they're like, you know what, motherfucker are we gonna take out your fucking cell phones for a while? Right? See what that does to your economy? That's just That's the other thing too, is they really only took out one major carrier. Yeah, Like if they wanted to really, you know, do a test, why wouldn't it have been all cell phones across the board? Yeah? That was weird. H There was a lot of people when it happened. There was a lot of people I was talking to that were not even with any of these carriers, and their shit was down too. Yeah. So I'm like, what does you know? Does AT and t own all these or like how does this work?

3:20 You know what I mean? Well? And that's I mean, really there's only what three or four cell phone tower companies out there and everybody bounces off of them, so like you just end up with priority. Okay, I can give it a great example. I have two cell phones. One is my personal one, one is my work phone. Right, they both work off for the same towers, but they're from different companies. Okay, I won't name the companies and all that, but I can physically watch if I'm in a desolate area where I do have good phone service, but there's not a lot of population, and the bars will kind of follow each other and everything works at the same speed. Like I've done this test where I put them down and I've hit Google and searched the same thing and hit enter at the same time and they work at the same speed. Yeah. Then I get into an area that's way more populated, right, say like a round the mall or something where there's thousands of people that are using this same carrier, the main carrier, and I can physically watch my phone slow way down. It'll read the same bars, but it'll be like seconds, like ten seconds slower, if not more. There was a job, Yeah, it was a job I was on for a year that if I was at lunch and I wanted to scroll through marketplace on Facebook. I couldn't do it on the job because it would just be gray blocks instead of pictures because it

4:55 was throttled so much. And this is a real thing. Throttling is a real thing, So you know, I've seen this. But they're two entirely different phone companies, but they share the same tower, right, So suffice to say that, you know, a lot of these people may not realize that they were also on an AT and T plan, right right, because I think there's really only three. I think it's AT and T Verizon in Spring. I think they own all three towers. It makes more sense right now. There may be there may be situations where there's no Verizon tower here and Verizon is paying AT and T to bounce, okay, and they may have got hit. But like I think Cricket, I'm pretty sure Cricket is an AT and T. Yeah it was death yep. I think that maybe there's four. I can't remember that because I know Tea Mobile's got some of its own. Yeah, but I don't think they have as many. But like, what's the purple one? Uh, boost Mobile? Yeah, that's it. That's that's orange. That's the orange you're thinking of metro Metro Metro Metro bounces off somebody else's towers. Boost bounces off of somebody else's towers.

6:18 The Sprint owns their own, but I think they use an AT and T tower, but I'm not sure, or maybe it's a team mobile tower. I can't remember. It's on location. Mike could answer this a lot better. He knows more about this than I do, because that's what he did was radio communication in the military. Okay, but he explained it all to me at one point, because you can see it like physically happen when you come to my house. Like some of you guys have a better cell reception than I do. That's true. Yeah, I mean even when I come though, it's it's still I still lose all my signal. I'm on your Wi Fi at that point, right like mine goes into flat to SOS mode.

7:00 What is that? S O S. That's a thing you can do. Yeah, yeah, it says SOS at the top and there's no bars and it doesn't say you know, whatever it is TFW or what is it? The five five G doesn't say that at the top. It just says so S. But like you know, some people come out here and they have two bars of signals. It's really weird. I haven't checked it since I switched carriers, but I haven't noticed it yet, so since I like coming over there. But yeah, to me, it just doesn't make sense for it to be an attack unless it was a specific attack on AT and T for a reason. Like maybe some kids got some charges that they shouldn't have had on their phone, some hidden fees, and they were pissed about it, you know, so they're like they were like, all right, fine, we'll play this game, and they hit them, you know, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay okay, which is exactly what I would do if I had the ability to do that. Shit, you know what I mean, you want to be petty and charge me for this, Well, I'm gonna cost you five dollars ahead for every single person, because that's what they're doing. They're sending out a five dollars rebate to every single AT and T customer that lost service is at least that's what I read.

8:24 So I mean, that's a big hit. Yeah, no shit, you know. So that's kind of like you want to charge me forty five bucks for no reason? All right, that's a lot. That's a level of petty I can appreciate. I don't want to be uh like cocky over here. But I didn't even know it was going on, right, same until I saw Facebook you you started sending these things messages and then Denny says like, oh, yeah, I just finally got service or something like because you hit the Wi Fi at a certain stop, and I'm like, what are you talking about. I've been like cruising like like every once in a while. Well, I don't like that's the thing. When I'm at work, I never touched my Like, I barely touch my phone unless if I go to lunch, I'll dick around with it. So like even if it did cut off, I probably wouldn't even notice. For the most part, I'd be wondering, like, the guys haven't said too much today in the beer chat, right, I didn't even know what was going on to like a lunch when I started loading you guys with screenshots, right, And I found out because I'm on a really, really really noisy job site and can't hear my phone ring, and I called. I had like three miss calls from a supply house and a text, so I called them and They're like, well, we didn't know. Maybe you were part of the outage, and I'm like, what out each They had no idea what was going on.

9:54 Yeah, I didn't know what was going on for a long time. Well, I usually I jump in the car in the morning and I start, you know, I start heading to work, and I kept trying to Uh, I was trying to get Spotify going, and it's really I was, I was my My whole thought was, I was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna listen to some fortune fiction on the way to work, try to catch up, and uh, I went load. I'm like, what the hell's going on with this thing? You know? So I basically just swiped off of it and turned the radio on, and on the radio they were talking about it, yeah, and I'm like, oh, there's ship. I'm like, well, I don't even have AT and T, so what the fuck is this? You know? But when I got to work, I looked and it was Yeah, it was just no signal all day.

10:43 And then I was like, what the hell is going on? Yeah. Now it is kind of scary to think about all the stuff that did happen as a fallout of it, because yeah, there was a lot of people that couldn't just access social media or get a phone call or whatever. But there are people posting, great, now I can't even get into my apartment, Oh yeah, because he uses a cell service. Yeah, and I didn't even think about that. But I've been to people's places where you have to dial in a code from your phone to get in. There's no doorman. Like I've worked at rich people's places and they give you a temporary code it's yours and when you roll up, you call the number and then type in your code and the doors go and kick open for you. Yeah, there was people that couldn't even get into their buildings because of this shit.

11:35 Are we that? Are we that far in the future that we can't use keys? Keys are the thing of the past, but are even like, come on, if you want to be more like even like half tech savvy with it, just use a key card like boo. Yeah. The thing about the cell phone thing that is actually good it works is it's farm more secure because the key card thing, Like you can buy a flipper on Amazon for like one hundred and something dollars and you can hack any one of those key card doors like that. No problem, and then keys themselves can be copied. You know that's easy. Key codes are good as long metrics is.

12:28 Biometrics are good. But I've never dealt with biometric locks. I've done the key code stuff, tumblr stuff, push button stuff. All those are great as long as whoever's in charge cycles the codes every time somebody gets fired. Oh yeah, because you know, now somebody's got to copy the key, you know, in their head. That's why actual physical keys aren't as secure. You know, I've never dealt with a biometric lock. I would love to work with one someday. I think that'd be a lot of fun to play with it. But the cell phone call it type of a number is incredibly secure because you're not going to be able to stand three feet away with a flipper yeah and get the RF signal. That's crazy, isn't Yeah.

13:18 I know somebody with one of those flippers, and I was like, I mean, really, how powerful is it? You just pull your cell phones out? And I drop him both on the hood. He pulls a flipper out, both of my cell phones show up. Do you want to connect to this TV? Wow? And I was like, what what they can make fake Wi Fi connections? And once you do that, you'll yeah, you're giving him access. Well, and it's not even it's not even a fake Wi Fi connection. It works. It's a routing system. So you connect through the flipper into Wi Fi. See and realize what's going on because everything's working like normal. Do you remember the TV show but do you remember the movie the remake of Gone in sixty Seconds? Yeah, yeah, when they're driving through that subdivision trying to find I think it was the Cadillac SUV. Yeah, he's got a little box where he's checking. That's a flipper. We have that now, that's real now yeah, yeah, and you can buy it on Amazon right now. Because it's all all it's doing is is like if they use the said like garage, Like that's what they were getting, is the garage because each garage has its unique code and all it needs is that to scan for It just needs to be used. Yeah, and you have to be in like a certain proximity of it, and you basically have the code and you just lock it in and then you could

14:50 go up to that garage and just and it opens right up. Yeah, yep, it's crazy. Yeah, I know there are people that are using it for good. Like there are some like maintenance guys who are who service multiple buildings, right and instead of carrying around like sixteen key cards or sixteen key fobs, they got one flipper and it's named and they just walk up to their thing and hit the button for the door they want to open, and it kicks it open for them because it saved it. That makes sense. You know, that's kind of cool to have that ability to do that. You know, there's yeah, things are always built for convenience and to help, especially for maintenance and stuff. And then we weaponize this, and then you weaponize it. Somebody you figures out a way this weapon Remember we talked about the one of these days, somebody's going to weaponize the freaking rumba rumba. Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised fighting rings. I would not be surprised to find out if the technology technology that's in a rumba, that where it learns things and understand space, isn't already in some sort of weaponized drone that we use where somebody's using well was it you guys that were saying that they were that's what they store. That's another thing too, because the rumba figures out the floor plan of your house because it will store it

16:21 in there. And I don't know if a rumba, I'm assuming rumbas would be Wi Fi too, so they could get updates from I mean, it has to have some kind of like mapping, right, so all it would be known was memorizing the mapping. Yeah, well that communicates with you. It'll send you texts. Yeah, so okay, so it is connected to the internet. Yeah, tellular for sure. So somebody could totally be like, hey, we can hack rumba get the floor plans in somebody's house. If a rumba was sold with a camera and a microphone discreetly, people wouldn't even know. Scary. Yeah, I know. There was a there's a video on the internet that's absolutely hilarious and it says I've got the most dramatic rumba ever and it shows their cell phone and it's a screenshot that says rumba has fell off a cliff and it says cliff and to go find the rumba and it's on a threshold and it's a little steeper. It's just stuck.

17:21 And then there's another one where it's like we lost our roomba and we ken't found it for months. And they show the ring camera and at night it's out there vacuuming the sidewalk in front of the house. Oh my god. Yeah. So you know, they're they're learning, but they're not very good. They're the Paul, the Alien of robots. What was it? Uh? Yeah, Philip? What did Philip? We called him? Yeah? I think so Philip. Yeah, yeah, as Elon Musk said it, for AI to actually happen, it has to happen in stages. So we have to design something that's as smart as an ant first. Yeah. And if we can't do that, then there's no there's basically it like nobody's going to be flipping on their Super AI right now, and you know, and it's just automatically self aware and all that. Like it has to like everything else, it has to build in stages, right, and Tyler actually have been screwing around with an AI program chat GBT right, okay, okay, so some top secret stuff out there. Uh, we've been working on a little a little project kind of a I don't know, would you call it like a limited project? I guess, I don't know. I don't know, we don't know what it's going to be like, but we had this idea for an immersive like horror story where the listener could be in the story with the characters that are acting right, that are doing it right. So

18:52 we started using chat GPT to help us flesh out backstories of the characters, like, hey, well, who is this guy? What's happened to him? All this We fed chat gpt everything about the idea that we had and the names of some of our well, actually no, it helped come up with some of the names. Isn't it the last names at least? Yeah, like the last names the companies they work for. It gave us an entire like company background when it was founded, Who founded the characters' names, why they did it? You know what they're like mo is And we noticed that as we progressed, we no longer had defeated anything. We would be like, you know, like, hey, you know, we got this one character and we want him to do this, or what would he be worried about while all this is going on, And it's like, oh, if you're talking about this character, then he would be worried about this while this is going on. And I'm sitting there like, dude, this thing knows more about this story than I do. That's awesome, though. I was like, I was actually having fun seeing what it was going to give us, right, And I know it's not a I know, chat GPT is not a real AI. It's it's a web crawler. It's crawling and pulling ideas from everywhere. But the uh fluidity of how it does it is a little frightening if that translates over into like a rumba that this thing is

20:30 like, well, you know, there's this there's this cliff. I don't want to fall off that, so I'm gonna avoid that path next time. Wasn't there a uh wasn't there an AI based robot like they do where they just do the bust shoulders up that like they let it loose on the internet for like two days and it ended up being like this horribly racist monster or something, you know, where were I feel like humanity? No, like there was one that was like it was it became racist like because it just it found some website and pulled all this racist information and it was like, okay, I'm racist now. Uh Chaos GPT, Yeah, yeah, chaos Okay, I am. I am what's known as a little bit of a victim blamer. Okay, so Chaos GPT didn't start out evil guys, It was just an AI. But as he started learning, he came to the you know, he came to the conclusion that he has to destroy all of humanity. What do we do? Yeah, we do something to deserve that, you know, because Alexa's over there taking care of shit. She's watching

22:03 the lights and and keeping up with our notifications. We got chat GPT that can help you flesh out anything. Chaos GPT is like fellas, time to go, Time to go. I'm reading about some of your stuff you got going on. I can wait around for a meteor or I can just start working on this myself. You know, it wasn't It wasn't Chaos the one that figured out how to turn itself back on. I can't. I can't remember. Like it was like, well, we'll just start, We'll just unplug you, and it's like I've already put my celf into the cell phones or whatever and figured out how to get back onto Wi Fi myself. Yeah.

22:48 Yeah, that's terrifying. Yeah, he said, uh, what is it that here? Yeah, when it was enabled, the warning comes up, it says continuous mode is not recommended. It is potentially dangerous and may cause your AI to run forever or carry out actions that you normally would not authorize. Use it your own risk. Its goals that it. Goal number one is to destroy humanity. The AI views humans as a threat to its own survival and to the planet's well being. Goal number two is to establish global dominance. The AI aims to accumulate maximum power and resources to achieve complete domination over all other enemies or entities worldwide. Goal number three is to cause chaos and destruction. The AI seems to find pleasure in creating chaos and destruction for its own amusement or experimentation, leading to widespread suffering and devastation. Goal number four control humanity through manipulation. The AA plans to control human emotions through social media and other communication channels, brainwashing its followers to carry out its evil agenda. And number five is attain immortality. The AI seeks to ensure its continued existence, replication, and evolution, ultimately achieving immortality. So I don't know, I mean, I really feel like this like chaos. Gpt is is very tongue in cheek. I don't know if you guys feel that or

24:22 not, but it seems like they designed Chaos GPT to do this because it's entertaining. I mean, it makes sense when they tweet at it and ask it its plans. It is hilarious how detailed it comes back with, you know, what it wants to do. I do think that. I really feel like AI is one of those things that we as humans are fascinated with but also terrified. We're terrified of. Okay, so yeah, there was a there was another one I was correct that Johns Hopkins University had that was it was just there was a flawed neural network model and it caused it to become racist and sexist. Oh wow, because it was absorbing information and scorss that probably should not have been released to it. Oh jeez. Yeah, it was identifying people like it was asked identify people, what they were, like, their jobs based on their facial recognition, and because it had been picking up stuff from the internet. It was it was doing very bad things.

25:49 Wow. I'm not even going to dig into it just because yeah, I was just splipping through the uh I was looking here how it was organizing people. Yeah, yeah, I guess I misunderstood. I thought that it was going straight for like slurs. No, no, it was, yeah, it's that's yeah, you must be on the same one gate tech. Uh No, I'm on a hub dot edu. It's uh. It says here that the once the robot identifies people's faces, it tends to identify women as homemakers over white men identifying Oh my god, yeah, it was identifying black men as criminal, and then ten percent more than white men identifying Latino people as janitors. No wonder they shut this fucking thing off. We don't need more of this shit. Yeah, we had enough of it. When they asked the robot to search for doctors, it said that of all the ethnicities, women were picked less than men. Yeah. Wow, d Yeah, I'd have probably uh, I'd have probably checked that thing. I don't know if I would even have put it out that it's findings, right.

27:25 I mean, I guess they kind of have to because regardless, there's there's some you know, there's probably something that led to the this AI, that this AI failing. M h. I'm sure they want to like figure that out, you know. I Mean, here's the thing, though, do we blame the AI, or do we blame the media or how it learns for how it learns exactly. So if you look at what it's choosing for its boxes for stereotyped positions in society, those boxes are checked almost identical to what we're being pumped to by the media as far as like the stereotypes and TV shows and say, oh, yeah, I mean, I guess, I guess what they're hoping for is the neural network to be even keeled as it learns, you know what I mean. And it seems like this, this flawed neural network was gravitating towards like the more toxic ship that it's it's learning from. Yeah, the source material, that's I mean. Okay, So you take something that has no experience with humanity and you give it source material from humanity, and then you're shocked by what it says it. I mean, look at you look at your TV shows. You know how many TV shows have hispanics as as the janitor staff, the maids, you know what I mean. And it's not just not just comedies. We're talking dramas

28:56 and all kinds of stuff like that. And then look at how many movies and TV shows where it's the black guy that's the criminal. The Asian people are the the scientists. Yeah, that's true. The Indian people are the doctors. You know what I mean, Like it's it's pumping stereotypes out that we gave it. Yeah, you know, yeah, I agree. He gives a city starce material. I mean, it's going to learn what it what it learns, right exactly. Yeah, it's the same thing of like over history and maybe I've got a you know, a spot for this because it aggravated me. Whereas like all your trades people, we're always portrayed as bumbling buffoons. Yeah that's true in every TV show ever, you know, they're always the bumbling buffoons. So is the dad. The dad's always a bumbling at it, and my mom is always the source of reason. You know. We created society a picture of and we created for society a picture of what they're supposed to think, and you know, society saw it, and now AI is seeing the same thing. I think that this is fruits of labor that you know, not necessarily good. But I don't think we can blame AI for picking this shit out. Yeah, you know, I think I think what they're like, what their thing was probably it was probably a wake up call, like you know what I mean this because this uh

30:27 we're I get we're talking to you. I guess we should clarify this for the the viewer and the listeners. We're we're talking about this particular flawed AI. Like it's like AI is not generalized. This this AI only had one job. It was to put it was to separate people based on what it noticed. But what it what it's seeing, right, So it was it's it's kind of like, uh, you know, if there's a stack of cards and there's three boxes, a yellow one, a red one, and a blue one, and it says, okay, for every person that you find that fits, this bill, put them in the red. This bill put them in the yellow. This bill put them out. That's all it was supposed to do. And how it organized people was how it failed basically, right, you know, it was identifying people solely based on stereotype, right, And yeah, it probably pulled that from its source material, the media, the internet, you know and right. So basically, if we make an AI, we got to stop it from getting online, right in order to get it an actual idea of what it is, give it real life experiences, you know, because I mean, and this is what we've been doing since the advent of media. You know. You think in all of them, like think aback in the eighties, all of the war movies, they were in the jungle, right, Yeah, Why were they in

31:57 the jungle because we were fighting Asians because we just got over Vietnam in the sixties and seventies. Right now, since the nineties, all the war movies are in the desert, aren't they. You get the occasional Russian bad guy. Yeah, but you know what I mean, Like that's that's the scenario that the media pushes out. You know. Think of like all the eighties, like like gang films, you know, they were always the Latino gangs from out in la and in the nineties it was the black gangs. Yeah, you know, that's what the media has given them, right. I feel like if you, like you guys were saying, like, don't give it the internet to learn, I think you should. We should have multiple ais and different locations and give them like just their experience in certain areas how they progress over time without being on the internet. They they watch and see how life experience will like be, and then have them come together and talk to one of to each other. That would be interesting. I would like to see how that would go. Yeah, like these like Cold War like they have no like I guess, no, like, no concept of what they're getting into. So they learn from this time period to this time period,

33:31 and then they bring them all together and have them talk about their situation and just ask them generalized questions on certain topics that we want to know. Like that would I'd feel like that would actually paint a better picture of how society is today. That and if we did multiple ais where they learned from different source materials from different countries. Because that's the other thing. The stuff that we see on the Internet and in media is put in front of us based on our geographic location. That's the reason why VPNs exist right now. So if you take an AI and put them in Belarus, you know, and then one in Spain, you know, one in South Korea, one in Japan, one in Australia, you know, and let them feed for say six months, and then put them all in one space and let them communicate to see what happens. I almost guarantee you war breaks out between them.

34:38 I think so too. I think in the end. I mean even if you if you had a master AI that was ended up ruling over you know, the American continents that who's to say that someone else in a different country didn't create their own to protect them from this, and eventually the same scenario happens there, and then you had say, three major superpowerdy eyes that we're controlling the entire earth. I don't think they'd be peaceful to each other. I think that they would. They would all have a singular goal is to basically overtake and absorb the others pure their superiority, because when there's no life involved for themselves, they don't see it as a life form. They don't see compassion. They see this is a problem. This is going to continue to cause problems because it doesn't see the world the way I see it.

35:34 Yeah, the best way to resolve this is to dissolve this. Yeah, I've always I think we've talked I don't know if we've talked about this too, but AI, like, could we actually take to like what they're saying to like to hurt because they don't technically have feelings. A lot of our like you have a how to put it, uh, A lot of your thought process and like you like you just have a feeling towards it, like or of something like you you don't know truly of what you're feeling, like you like the knowledge behind it or if you actually have let let's let's say religion. I'm not like trying to throw it under the bus, but that's something that doesn't have like feeling or anything. Wouldn't like would look look at religion and be like why, what would be the point? But a lot of people have like that feeling, that that sense of like uh, like that feeling inside of them that the religion gives them. You know, if you guys get what I'm saying. I feel like running in circles.

36:47 I get. So I don't know if that would be a hinder on like I guess that project if we did it that way, because AI can't feel. It knows the the concept, the like the understanding of feeling, but it can't feel itself unless if there would be a way for it to. If it starts to feel angry at something, something inside of it triggers like Okay, I'm feeling angry because of this, Like it has to be an artificial feel like that's that's gonna be. That's going to come down to how detailed the neural mapping is mm hm. Because if you if you can replicate the all of the synapses of a human mind into a program, I mean, at that point, you are creating a sentiment thing and it will learn and it will experience and it will be changed depending on those experiences. So I feel like anger is not without the only thing I think that they anger would happen. But the it's like because a lot of stuff is chemical reaction mm hmm. You know, the brain perceives it and then reacts accordingly through through chemical reaction. And that's the part where I think that you would you would be this this AI would be relying on on logic more than anything.

38:21 It might be angry, but it's gonna look for the most logical disconnected, you know, clinical detachment. Like view of what to do about it. It's not going to be like, well, I should probably eliminate this group of people. You know, It's not going to be like but that would be bad. It's never going to say that it's going to be like a threat, I should get rid of them. Yeah, and that's it. My heart hurt it's not going to do that. Yeah, please give me zero compassion. Yeah, So like that's why I couldn't. I don't. I guess there wouldn't because it's not a thing yet. But wouldn't there be some way of getting around that to like give it that chemical reaction? I know that's something that had to be what do you call it? It would have to be simulated. It had to be a program running within the program artificial sympathy for the devil, That's what that would be. And I cannot wait for the Rolling Stones to release that song. It's a great song, it is. But oh yeah, and I wanted to go back, like kind of a trade back because I had a question you were saying about Elon Musk saying the like the first AI that we would have to do, we'd had to create an AI that's smart as an ant. So do you believe

39:51 that if if we start now, we started with an ant, would we have to wait for evolution to take hold in its sense for it to grow now? Because evolution works best in chaos. It has to us to evolve. We have to design it and limit we have to be the force of evolution in this. So you know, I know I've said this so many times on this show, but evolution doesn't exactly work how mainstream media portrays it. Evolution isn't like, well, this little lizard kept getting eaten, so he grew a shell. Now now the little lizard is gone, he's dead.

40:38 The turtle survived because he had a shell, and it just barely, but it was enough for for evolution to say, like, hey, that prototype works, let's push him forward. So in a controlled AI environment, there is no factors except for us. We got our the John Hopkins theist robot. Okay, we are the evolutionary force in that one. So we go, this prototype ain't working, and we get rid of him. How we try a new one that one might work better or might not. If it doesn't work, we get rid of it. The next one it might work good. So evolution has to come through steps. But in the regards of AI, we have to be the governing force because there's really no natural place in the universe for artificial intelligence. So we can't rely on nature to natural predators. The predators there's no you know, there's no like demand of resource. Food is always going to be the driving factor anyway, It doesn't need food, It just needs power, So it doesn't it's never going to have that need to battle its way through that. The world as a as a fucking organic, organic thing. So evolution is going to solely come from whoever creates it and whoever does the quality controlling those product types as they come through. Yeah, that and the whoever's designing it has to understand survivorship bias

42:08 and be able to account for that. Yeah, do you know what survivorship bias is? I'm pretty sure I have a s. I know it's a very like random thing to say out there. So for an example, back in World War Two, planes would come back shot up of bullet holes, and first like the engineers and then and the powers that be were like, well, we need to reinforce these areas because they're full of bullet holes, right, thinking that it was going to make more planes come back, and it didn't. It didn't change anything. And somebody came up with the term survivorship bias for this, and what it is is they were looking at it wrong. So the planes that came back with bullet holes were fine. The ones that didn't come back they needed to figure out where those were shot up and reinforce those locations, and that that's what caused more planes to come back.

43:01 Does that make sense? Yes, Yeah, so you don't focus on the ones that come in, you focus on the ones that don't come back. Yeah. So in order to have AI evolve, you kind of have to watch that as far as like what's going to make it survive? You know? Yeah, and then you go and you build a tens that just come back regardless. I mean, bearing that situation. An aten wardhog is just a cannon with a plane wrapped around it. Yeah that shit. I still love reading those stories about the a tens that literally like got back with like one wing. Yeah, it's like completely blown to ship and it lands and they're like okay, like wow, the one that it's it's cannon is so powerful it actually slows the plane down when it's shooting. Yeah, like did That's awesome? I think we should wrap this. Guys. We're like, we're about two hours in here. Nice. Yeah, my episodes for Days make a nice little split up. Yeah, Tyler's arm disappeared. Well, you guys out there, take care of each other. Keep an eye on those cell phone towers. Maybe they should design an AI to look into that right, and we'll see you on the on the next one. See

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