S370 - Music conspiracies

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You are listening to The Kentucky X
Files Season three with your hosts, Dennis

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Mays, Tyler Stewarts, and Josh
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x files dot com and now onto our

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show. So, Tyler, yeah, what were you saying again? How'd

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I go one more time? With
people in the back of it? I

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think we're still Tyler's intro thumber.
Yeah, I think we could. The

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fans would want to know this stuff. Would you kick this pig force better?

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I can't tell if he's that still
or if his camera brooke good.

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That was good. Welcome back,
guys. We hopefully y'all out there listeners

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are not experiencing the same creaking seasonal
jet lag that that I am. I

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know, I've been toting that it
all morning, but it's put me in

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a bad fucking mood at work.
I'm snapping at people, you know what

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I mean. It's like, yeah, Jacky hit me at practice yesterday.

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He hits you at band practice while
you guys are were the whole time.

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I say, yeah, yeah,
I mean you're a bass player, so

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nobody in the audience is gonna disagree
with that. But I didn't do it

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every single like the aim though would
be like all let's be let's be honest

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and be fair. There is no
way I would risk smacking my Gibson Explorer

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into something to beat Tyler. And
there's this room is not big enough to

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move around. You know that I
mentioned. I mean even that and then

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the other like the Gibson ethic going
on. I mean he's holding a thunderbird.

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Yeah, you know what I mean. It's like, there's just you

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can't can't risk it, right,
it's too dangerous. Yeah, it's where

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it's uh, in the in the
room, in the band, like when

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the band's playing. My guitar is
probably the most beat up in the room.

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Like it is. It is,
without a doubt, like the most

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rundown guitar in the room. Yeah, but it's beautiful. But god damn

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she sound good. She's beauty.
Yeah. I think it was. Dave

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like a few weeks back, was
like, dude, what is that?

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Right? There? Is that from
your fucking pick. I'm like, dude,

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this thing is it's been played hard
for a long time. Man,

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I'm like, yeah, there's like
a baited line like where I've like picked

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or whatever. It's funny because I
never even noticed it, Like I didn't

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notice it until he pointed it out, and I'm like, oh, it

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was good. But people pay good
money for guitars to have that ship done

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to him fake. It's kind of
like, uh, oh god, I

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can't but like the torn up jeans
or whatever, what the hell? I

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can't believe I forgot his name.
Couch dude, a lot of weed.

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Willie Nelson, Willie Nelson, that's
I could figure out his last name.

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Snoop Dog. You're talking about Trigger, Yeah, his acoustic Yeah, trigger

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Yeah. Like they he says that
he takes it into makes the suret.

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It's like okay, but dude,
it has a hole in it. It's

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worn down. Even the frets itself
like they're like they have waves in them.

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It's like, I've got you won't
fix it. I've got the day

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that that like he says that when
that the day comes within that thing breaks,

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he's done. Yeah. Yeah,
yeah, my my acoustic Susie is

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like that. You can tell where
it's been played most frequently because the the

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finish is wearing off of the fret
board. Yeah, completely. I don't.

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I don't know that I have an
acoustic that's worn down like that.

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The explorer. Explorer's all, it's
all a lot of action for solid decade

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there. So yeah, it definitely
uh got it's you know abuse. Yeah.

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I have never actually sat and looked
at the frets that like to see

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if there was any waves and them. I I can't imagine there would be,

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you know what I mean, Yeah, I could be wrong, and

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still I mean, you know,
just gets just now got her broken,

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right, I mean, she's just
now broken. I can't wait then a

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little more broken. It's starting to
get there. It's starting to feel good,

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you know. M h every uh
every week, man, I think

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about ordering uh some Fishman's for the
the V. Yeah. I keep thinking

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about it because it's got that front
plate, so it's like you can literally

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everything can be mounted to that front
plate and you just drop the whole thing

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in. Like, yeah, it's
quick. It's the one thing like I

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love about to V, but I
also dislike about it. Yeah, I

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hate that big as holl you know. Yeah, like everything's matted to a

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piece of plastic. That's kind of
Yeah, I need to get el Vira

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my DNML into someplace to just mess
with the electronics. I'm tired of looking

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at it and not being able to
play it. Yeah, a bridge pickup

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just it will not It's like it's
single coil or something. I don't know

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what's going on. I've opened I've
opened it up three or four times and

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I can't see anything physically wrong.
So yeah, but it's weird. I

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love the way there's that there's sound
though that when it was when it was

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playing right and sounded good. Hell
yeah, it was beautiful. Yeah.

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I love playing a guitar too.
It's it's like it's feather light and it

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sounds amazing. But right now it's
just pissing me off. It's super light.

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Yeah, it's very easy playing guitar. Yeah, welcome to the Kentucky

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Guitar Files. Yeah. Well,
since we before we even started, we

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were talking, you guys were talking
about music and stuff. I kind of

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wanted to throw like, you guys
know any like music conspiracies, let's throw

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throw this in there. I didn't
know if you guys had any I've heard

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of like one. Uh, that's
that's pretty big. I heard like I

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heard it a long time ago on
no, no, no, no,

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I like I haven't heard that one
too, And that one does sound pretty

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believable. I'll get that. But
the one that everybody is on the fence

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about just because of the whole scenario
is Kirk Cobain's death. Oh oh yeah,

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that's a big one because like especially
like they said that he should like

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with all the drugs that was in
his system, he shouldn't have been able

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to shoot pick up up that shotgun, let alone aiming at himself and shoot.

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I don't know, that's that's a
bit of a stretch, dude,

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Like I we even talked talked about
like the effects that just your normal just

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doing weed would due to most of
us, like some of us don't.

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Yeah, but granted he like it's
not a shock, Like, yeah,

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Kirk Covain was a heavy drug user
and drinks a lot of alcohol, So

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there's always that thing. But that's
why, like I feel like a lot

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of people like feel that it wasn't
a suicide. But then he was a

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very depressed person, and so that
that goes to like saying like like it

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seems right because how depressed of a
person he was. But if you've ever

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like actually looked into that like that. The most the most people that seem

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like that would do, like would
commit suicide are the ones that don't talk

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about it. They don't they don't
show their emotion. They might be a

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little bit like they might show you
that they're depressed, but everybody's I never

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I would never guess they would have
done that. No, depression is hilarious.

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And I'm not saying that to be
mean or spiteful or you know,

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this is probably cool, it's going
to get it canceled later on. Depression.

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Depression is hilarity, right because,
like I remember, when I was

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going through a really really really really
dark time in my life, all of

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my outward communication, like especially on
social media, was attempting to make everybody

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else around me laugh because if they
were laughing, it brought me up a

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little bit, it made me feel
a little bit better. It's the same

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thing with like Robin Williams. You
know, that dude behind the scenes was

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a mess, but what people saw
was his hilarity. You know. So

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like the people who are really really
in bad shape, it's really hard to

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tell unless you're super close to him, you know, And that's why.

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I guess like a lot of people
don't understand like the whole the suicides that

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happened with like, well, these
are more conspiracies Chester and Chris Cornell,

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you know. Yeah, that's probably
one of the main reasons why there is

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even conspiracy degrees about it, because
people didn't see them as people that would

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do that. You know, they're
wealthy, famous rock stars, you know.

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So I don't know. With Kurt, I was never a Nirvana fan,

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so I never paid attention to it. You know, I didn't really

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even listened too much of his music
because I didn't enjoy it, which is

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probably gonna get me canceled. Also, But if he used that much heroin

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on a regular basis, you know, to me, like the people I've

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known that have overdosed, they've overdosed
because they quit using and tried to go

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back to using what they were using
before, which was lethal amounts. Yeah,

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I don't know. I have heard. I have heard these, you

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know, the conspiracies about you know, like Courtney Courtney Love killing him or

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having him killed or whatever. And
there was a short time where I was

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on board with it. I was
like, yeah, yeah, she's spiteful

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as fun I think didn't. Didn't
somebody send us something about this or suggest

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this in the commentist to talk about
because I remember somebody. I remember reading

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somewhere where somebody was telling us to
watch Bleach. Oh yeah, yeah,

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that was that was a while back. I can't remember who said that.

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I wouldn't even know how far to
go back, you know, I think

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that's recent. I don't think it's
so far back. I think it's went

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in the last last four episodes.
Oh well, yeah, man, whoever

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said that? And I'm sorry I
can't remember who it was. Yeah,

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we'll definitely have to do an addendum
and do a shout out to yeah,

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you know at some point. But
yeah, okay, with that being said,

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like the whole court and he loved
things like granted, like she did

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have a huge legal battle afterwards of
his like his rights to his music and

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stuff with Dave girl, and she's
a wife, you know, Yeah,

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she gets acclaim and yeah, which
I himself signed that contract, you know

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what I mean. See, that's
a that's a that's a touchy place,

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you know. Yeah. Yeah,
but I thought they said that they were

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like there was allegations that she was
they were getting a divorce or did they

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already have that. Yeah. Well
see that's that's kind of one of those

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deals too, where I mean,
especially in the court of law, it's

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like if they were gonna get a
divorce, Yeah, it's she's Yeah,

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it's a big point. Now,
Yeah, took his own life. Yeah

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right, if he's if he's dead, and they couldn't find anything directly linking

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her to it, whether she did
it or not, she might as well

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be innocent. Was it. Was
there ever a doubt in the police that

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it was a suicide or was it
always? Okay, So there was a

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doubt about the police department, the
police department, the active investigators had many,

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many suspicions around it. So that's
what actually kicked this whole thing off,

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okay, was that even the police
were like, it would have been

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hard to even move with the amount
of heroin that was in his system.

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Well, you're talking about a veteran
here. This is somebody who's been he's

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he'd been at it for a while
and then he'd been cleaned for a month.

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Yeah he was. Didn't he start
when he was a teenager? Oh

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yeah, yeah, somewhere early yeah. Yeah, so he had ten years

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or better of heroin usage and then
I silent month of what a deep detox

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of nineties heroin usage. Yeah,
and then's just being put out now with

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Fenton al and all that shit in
it. Right, So he's clean,

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he's clean, he's already been through
the withth Rolls all that he goes in

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and he does, you know,
a megadose of what he normally would.

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That's where the suspicion comes in,
is that he came out of a rehab,

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you know, took himself out of
rehab, came back to his home

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in Seattle, and goes on a
bender. So yeah, you got to

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think that being clean for a month
and then doing a bender, potentially he

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wouldn't have even needed the shotgun,
right, you know, it would have

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been enough to just take him out
just by itself. That's where the suspicion

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comes in, where they're like,
well, this is kind of weird because

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even the way his like he was
laying, you know, the way they

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found him, it was it was
off, like there was something off about

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it. So you know, I
don't know, Yeah, it's it's weird,

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but that's the kind of the nature
of of like iconic figures. You

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know what I mean, uh,
when I was in my teens, in

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my teenage years, I listened to
a lot of Nirvana for probably three or

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four years there, and I will
say I learned a lot of I learned

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a lot of song building strategy.
Yeah, I guess from listening to Nirvana,

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and then as I kind of grew
out of it, I kind of

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stopped following so went by the time
he'd taken his own life, I was

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kind of like, oh wow,
you know, like that's crazy, you

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know what I mean? Like this, dude, I think it's kind of

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the nature of like iconic figures is
like especially ones that end are like end

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too soon, you know, because
you think think of like the twenty seven

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Club. He's in it, din't
he? Yeah, The twenty seven Club

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has all these iconic you know,
Janice Joplin and Jim Morrison and Jim Hendrix.

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You know Amy Winehouse. Amy Winehouse
was the house. Yeah, I

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mean, you know which, I
don't know if you guys listen to her

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or not, but I still listened
to her. Amy Winehouse was a fucking

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phenomen like, holy shit, one
of the best voices to ever come out

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in my opinion. Yeah, and
she was a very old voice. Yes,

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that was it was lounge, you
know. Yeah, well it had

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that, It had that, like
the the Cuba influenced portions of New York

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Field to it. You know,
it definitely had that that Bronx or Brooklyn,

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now the Brooklyn Brooklyn or Bronx were
the Cubans, the huge Cuban population.

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I can't remember. I want to
say Brooklyn, but I don't know.

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I couldn't say. Yeah, I
can't remember either. I've never been

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so but it has that influence,
you know. Yeah. Yeah, but

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like look at look at her life. You know, she she got all

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the way to the point where she
got to record a song with her hero,

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yea, Tony Bennett. Yeah,
so she's standing in a studio with

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Tony Bennett, who was I mean, he was a walking monument, you

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know what I mean, Like,
dude, like every bit as iconic is

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like the statue of liberty, right, and she's standing in a studio recording

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a song with him, you know
what I mean. So she she made

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it to the top and then I
think the last thing they said she she

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said was that she didn't want to
die, and they found her dead.

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Yeah, it's like so in a
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morbid about it, but and in
some ways very depressed people like maybe that

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was the sign of like the ceiling. That was the end of it,

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Like it couldn't get any better.
That was their pinnacle. Yeah, yeah,

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and they didn't want to go on
feeling depressed after having that such of

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a I no matter what, especially
meaning somebody that you idolized in getting to

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do a song, especially like in
that industry, being in that industry and

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getting to do that, Like I
really like maybe that was the highest that

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was ever for her, Like she
like it was just like it couldn't like

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she had to just let it go
because she didn't want to lose that feeling,

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right like because she knows how like
how how she felt inside and so

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like because like, be perfectly honest, I am not I will say this,

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I'm not the greatest musician in the
world. But the times that I've

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been on stage, it is so
amazing. Yeah, it's euphoric, like

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like I know that I like I
beat myself fuck Like the times where I

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was playing drums and stuff, I
was like, dude, I sucked at

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that part. I fucked that up. But hearing the even the smallest of

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crowds getting into it. It is
so amazing and like I just could not

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like imagine myself anywhere else but that
moment. So yeah, I wanted to

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kind of kick back a little bit. I don't know if you guys like,

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Okay, you you've heard the whole
theory of uh Courty Love. Yeah,

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potentially, like she hired somebody or
she did herself. I'm assuming that

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everybody keeps saying she hired somebody to
do to commit this murder, if you

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will. But there's another theory about
that because there was a very big thing.

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She had very mental issues growing up, and she went the therapy some

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like there's some cases where she was
a product of the MK ultra era.

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Do you remember I ever heard of
that? Oh I have heard this before.

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It's like LSD or something I think
they said. But it's mind control.

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So some people say that Love was
a a a CIA agent technically have

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you seen Courtney Love and interviews?
But that's the thing, you would never

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guess that, Like when you like, it's the whole the whole joke about

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uh sleeper cell, you say a
code word that no one would ever say.

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Yeah, it's like that's the thing, like like could that have been?

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Like but there's actually like like like
it was around the time, and

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didn't she she's a part of some
other deaths? Ain't she? She dated

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somebody beforehand? I thought I thought
she dated some other people beforehand that actually

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kind of ended their lives too.
I mean, if that's true, I

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think, you know what I'm gonna
say. You know, at what point

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do you kind of stop and you
go maybe it's me? You know,

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like I don't know, like if
you if you I used to own the

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the biography, uh what was it
called? Come as you Are whatever?

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The Kirk Cobain biography, and I
remember reading it when I was younger.

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I read the whole thing, and
be honest, man, if you go

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back and you read it, it's
it starts to become a very very like

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clear picture of where it ends because
from an early early on and he had

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a like a melancholy like where it
just it was never it was never leieved,

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you know what I mean. And
he had, you know, the

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stomach issues, that chronic stomach pain
for his like his entire life, so

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you like never really knew a moment
of peace, you know, wasn't he

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like sick, sick, like didn't
there like something reason he always worse sweaters.

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Maybe that's just a conspiracy always heard. I don't know, I don't

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Yeah, I couldn't say, but
I know that. I mean, the

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drugs ended up being a way to
stop the pain in his stomach. And

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then you know that, you know
how that shake goes, that spirals out

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of control. And then take a
person who's already volatile and depressed, especially

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living with a chronic pain, and
then add a drug that's known for bringing

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you down to the lowest of the
lows. Did I really at this point

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in life, I'm like, conspiracy
or no. I feel like it was

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gonna end that way anyway, and
some I mean, anything could have been

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the shotgun at that point, you
know, it could have been the needle,

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It could have been anything. I
just feel like a month before that,

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the right before the rehab thing,
he overdosed in rome. Really yeah,

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so it's it was he was on
that colligion like it was, you

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know, this the spiral was out
of control, you know what I mean,

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Like it was. I feel like
it was just inevitable at that point.

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He arguably he definitely came in and
He definitely shook up music big time,

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especially the you know the I mean
Jesus Christ, I mean, if

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you if you really want to look
at it like I mean, he was.

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He was an unwilling crusader against hair
metal. He came in when hair

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metal was at the height right and
literally just kicked the chair out from underneath

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of it. So thank you Kurt
for that. Because metal, when metal

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recovered, I like to think that
metal recovered with a little album entitled The

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Great Southern Trend Kill. And when
that came out, it was, you

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know, to me, arguably that
recovered metal on back onto the path that

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it's currently at now, which I'm
thankful for. So I'm like, although

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and that now Kurt was a metal
fan too. Kurt listened to some heavy

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as shit. He didn't play it, but he listened to it. But

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I really feel like what we got
out of him was kind of like the

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perfect He was the perfect person for
what he needed to be done. If

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I guess, like I feel like
it was faded or something like it had

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to go a certain way. He
wasn't meant to be an old Tony Bennett,

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you know, singing with with some
young star or or a judge on

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some fucking TV show. Dude,
he was against all that. He was

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against the grain. You know.
Yeah, this is the guy who would

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like go to the you know,
MTV Music Awards to perform, dude,

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and like trash the stage and then
sit down with you know, Kirk Hamnett

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and have a discussion all about the
Floyd Rose tremolo, you know what I

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mean, Like, you know,
they were he was that guy. He

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wasn't you know, there was this, and there was this, and he

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was he was on that path.
And I just feel like it was inevitable.

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I don't feel like I don't feel
like it could have ended any other

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way. Now that's just me though, Like I don't know, very very

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iconic person, and I feel like
he definitely he I feel like he definitely

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stood up and could stand among the
elect as far as some of the most

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iconic musicians you know, to step
into, you know the world of music

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or whatever. You know, like
like Elvi Stared. Look at Elvis.

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Elvis had a fucking phenomenal career,
right, the dude was on top of

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the world. Actually was helping the
government, right like he was the real

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deal. Like you could be like
it's not really conspiracy because he himself admitted

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it. You know, you know
it's an excellent FBI documents that he has

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helped him. Yeah, he had
helped him and his career kept going and

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kept going and kept going until he
kind of just you know, there was

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I mean, I just feel like, like, what would Elvis have have

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What if he was around today,
would he still be as what do he

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call it? Like, h impactful? I guess as he was? You

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know what I'm saying there, Like
if he still here, is he a

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special? I guess right? You
know that makes sense, Like there's like

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shooting stars and there's like because it's
like the end of it. H you

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know, it's the end of it. It can't ever happen again. Yeah,

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Like he comes in, he fucking
destroys, and he's gone before you

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know it, and it's like,
man, he really made a big old

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impact. Yeah. I got one
for you, Tyler, I got I

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got a music conspiracy for you.
I think you'll like Before getting too I

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just want to like say, okay, I threw out the whole Courtney Love

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being the CIA agent. So if
that would be the case, do you

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feel like it's the government like with
how Kurt Kurt was, Like, I

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feel like that was the whole thing
is is that he was disrupting the status

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quo in a way, like Hause, he he voiced his opinions about everything,

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which everybody does that today, especially
oh God, social media. Like

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they do feel like we are living
in part of the world that he wanted

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yeah to Like so yeah, like
what I'm trying to say is love it

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or hate it? Do you think
it's a a possibility that they would want

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him go on because of his like
especially his his reach in that time,

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since there was no social media or
anything, but he was a huge star,

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like the martyr thing. Yeah,
that's that's kind of like a I

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mean in a way when you look
at the look at the grunge revolution,

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look at the kids involved in it, and you know they do the cliche

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quote all the time is like,
well he gave a voice to that generation.

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He kind of did. I mean, because he was part of it.

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He was sitting there saying like,
dude, we're not fucking happy with

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this, we don't like this,
this is bullshit, you know, you

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know what I mean, and then
people lashed onto it. So I mean,

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if it if it really was a
hit, you know, like it

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was, Hey, we're taking this
guy out because he's inciting all this,

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you know, disorder wouldn't shock me. It's just I just feel like,

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you know, I don't know.
I still feel like it's great, like

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reaching a bit, but it wouldn't
shock me. We're not ready for peaceful

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people. You can ask JFK and
Martin Luther, King, Malcolm X,

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you can ask all them guys about
that. We're not ready for that.

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Obviously. We can't handle people trying
to make a difference. We're like,

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oh, it sounds good on paper, but you know it sucks. I

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mean, that's that's kind of that's
kind of Remember I said this on a

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previous episode. Man, the only
thing we worship is money. That's what

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we worship here. Say what you
will, say, anything you want about

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religion, anything, you can claim
it all all day long, to your

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face is blue. We worship the
dollar. This is an economic country.

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That is our deity and that's always
our bottom line. Yeah, we live

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and die by that dollar, absolutely. And the creption thing is it's going

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down in value almost every day.
That's the shitty thing. I think our

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currency is gay. It's going into
the realm of what is it like pay

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like pace like like pace, its
like value wise, like isn't a dollar

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worth a thousand or like I might
be out of like I think it's I

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think right now our dollars work technically
around the world like eighty cents maybe maybe

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less than that. It's like and
you even said it. They took it

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off of it when they started doing
this whole currency thing. It used to

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be, uh, it was like
the equivalent of of your gold, like

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you trade in your gold and like
this could be traded for gold or something

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like that, the equivalent of it. But they took that off. Now,

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yeah, it's not that's not on
there anymore because like shit, you

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can't just take a dollar and get
up like m