S370 - Music conspiracies

0:00 You are listening to The Kentucky X Files Season three with your hosts, Dennis Mays, Tyler Stewarts, and Josh Gibbs. Don't forget to subscribe to us on YouTube, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. You can also visit us at www dots k y x files dot com and now onto our show. So, Tyler, yeah, what were you saying again? How'd I go one more time? With people in the back of it? I think we're still Tyler's intro thumber. Yeah, I think we could. The fans would want to know this stuff. Would you kick this pig force better?

1:02 I can't tell if he's that still or if his camera brooke good. That was good. Welcome back, guys. We hopefully y'all out there listeners are not experiencing the same creaking seasonal jet lag that that I am. I know, I've been toting that it all morning, but it's put me in a bad fucking mood at work. I'm snapping at people, you know what I mean. It's like, yeah, Jacky hit me at practice yesterday. He hits you at band practice while you guys are were the whole time.

1:46 I say, yeah, yeah, I mean you're a bass player, so nobody in the audience is gonna disagree with that. But I didn't do it every single like the aim though would be like all let's be let's be honest and be fair. There is no way I would risk smacking my Gibson Explorer into something to beat Tyler. And there's this room is not big enough to move around. You know that I mentioned. I mean even that and then the other like the Gibson ethic going on. I mean he's holding a thunderbird.

2:36 Yeah, you know what I mean. It's like, there's just you can't can't risk it, right, it's too dangerous. Yeah, it's where it's uh, in the in the room, in the band, like when the band's playing. My guitar is probably the most beat up in the room. Like it is. It is, without a doubt, like the most rundown guitar in the room. Yeah, but it's beautiful. But god damn she sound good. She's beauty. Yeah. I think it was. Dave like a few weeks back, was like, dude, what is that? Right? There? Is that from your fucking pick. I'm like, dude, this thing is it's been played hard for a long time. Man, I'm like, yeah, there's like a baited line like where I've like picked or whatever. It's funny because I never even noticed it, Like I didn't notice it until he pointed it out, and I'm like, oh, it was good. But people pay good money for guitars to have that ship done to him fake. It's kind of like, uh, oh god, I can't but like the torn up jeans or whatever, what the hell? I can't believe I forgot his name. Couch dude, a lot of weed.

3:57 Willie Nelson, Willie Nelson, that's I could figure out his last name. Snoop Dog. You're talking about Trigger, Yeah, his acoustic Yeah, trigger Yeah. Like they he says that he takes it into makes the suret. It's like okay, but dude, it has a hole in it. It's worn down. Even the frets itself like they're like they have waves in them. It's like, I've got you won't fix it. I've got the day that that like he says that when that the day comes within that thing breaks, he's done. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, my my acoustic Susie is like that. You can tell where it's been played most frequently because the the finish is wearing off of the fret board. Yeah, completely. I don't.

4:50 I don't know that I have an acoustic that's worn down like that. The explorer. Explorer's all, it's all a lot of action for solid decade there. So yeah, it definitely uh got it's you know abuse. Yeah. I have never actually sat and looked at the frets that like to see if there was any waves and them. I I can't imagine there would be, you know what I mean, Yeah, I could be wrong, and still I mean, you know, just gets just now got her broken, right, I mean, she's just now broken. I can't wait then a little more broken. It's starting to get there. It's starting to feel good, you know. M h every uh every week, man, I think about ordering uh some Fishman's for the the V. Yeah. I keep thinking about it because it's got that front plate, so it's like you can literally everything can be mounted to that front plate and you just drop the whole thing in. Like, yeah, it's quick. It's the one thing like I love about to V, but I also dislike about it. Yeah, I hate that big as holl you know. Yeah, like everything's matted to a piece of plastic. That's kind of Yeah, I need to get el Vira my DNML into someplace to just mess with the electronics. I'm tired of looking at it and not being able to play it. Yeah, a bridge pickup just it will not It's like it's single coil or something. I don't know what's going on. I've opened I've opened it up three or four times and

6:21 I can't see anything physically wrong. So yeah, but it's weird. I love the way there's that there's sound though that when it was when it was playing right and sounded good. Hell yeah, it was beautiful. Yeah. I love playing a guitar too. It's it's like it's feather light and it sounds amazing. But right now it's just pissing me off. It's super light. Yeah, it's very easy playing guitar. Yeah, welcome to the Kentucky Guitar Files. Yeah. Well, since we before we even started, we were talking, you guys were talking about music and stuff. I kind of wanted to throw like, you guys know any like music conspiracies, let's throw throw this in there. I didn't know if you guys had any I've heard of like one. Uh, that's that's pretty big. I heard like I heard it a long time ago on no, no, no, no, I like I haven't heard that one too, And that one does sound pretty believable. I'll get that. But the one that everybody is on the fence about just because of the whole scenario is Kirk Cobain's death. Oh oh yeah, that's a big one because like especially like they said that he should like with all the drugs that was in his system, he shouldn't have been able to shoot pick up up that shotgun, let alone aiming at himself and shoot.

7:51 I don't know, that's that's a bit of a stretch, dude, Like I we even talked talked about like the effects that just your normal just doing weed would due to most of us, like some of us don't. Yeah, but granted he like it's not a shock, Like, yeah, Kirk Covain was a heavy drug user and drinks a lot of alcohol, So there's always that thing. But that's why, like I feel like a lot of people like feel that it wasn't a suicide. But then he was a very depressed person, and so that that goes to like saying like like it seems right because how depressed of a person he was. But if you've ever like actually looked into that like that. The most the most people that seem like that would do, like would commit suicide are the ones that don't talk about it. They don't they don't show their emotion. They might be a little bit like they might show you that they're depressed, but everybody's I never I would never guess they would have done that. No, depression is hilarious.

9:05 And I'm not saying that to be mean or spiteful or you know, this is probably cool, it's going to get it canceled later on. Depression. Depression is hilarity, right because, like I remember, when I was going through a really really really really dark time in my life, all of my outward communication, like especially on social media, was attempting to make everybody else around me laugh because if they were laughing, it brought me up a little bit, it made me feel a little bit better. It's the same thing with like Robin Williams. You know, that dude behind the scenes was a mess, but what people saw was his hilarity. You know. So like the people who are really really in bad shape, it's really hard to tell unless you're super close to him, you know, And that's why.

9:54 I guess like a lot of people don't understand like the whole the suicides that happened with like, well, these are more conspiracies Chester and Chris Cornell, you know. Yeah, that's probably one of the main reasons why there is even conspiracy degrees about it, because people didn't see them as people that would do that. You know, they're wealthy, famous rock stars, you know. So I don't know. With Kurt, I was never a Nirvana fan, so I never paid attention to it. You know, I didn't really even listened too much of his music because I didn't enjoy it, which is probably gonna get me canceled. Also, But if he used that much heroin on a regular basis, you know, to me, like the people I've known that have overdosed, they've overdosed because they quit using and tried to go back to using what they were using before, which was lethal amounts. Yeah, I don't know. I have heard. I have heard these, you know, the conspiracies about you know, like Courtney Courtney Love killing him or having him killed or whatever. And there was a short time where I was on board with it. I was like, yeah, yeah, she's spiteful

11:24 as fun I think didn't. Didn't somebody send us something about this or suggest this in the commentist to talk about because I remember somebody. I remember reading somewhere where somebody was telling us to watch Bleach. Oh yeah, yeah, that was that was a while back. I can't remember who said that. I wouldn't even know how far to go back, you know, I think that's recent. I don't think it's so far back. I think it's went in the last last four episodes. Oh well, yeah, man, whoever said that? And I'm sorry I can't remember who it was. Yeah, we'll definitely have to do an addendum and do a shout out to yeah, you know at some point. But yeah, okay, with that being said, like the whole court and he loved things like granted, like she did have a huge legal battle afterwards of his like his rights to his music and stuff with Dave girl, and she's a wife, you know, Yeah, she gets acclaim and yeah, which I himself signed that contract, you know what I mean. See, that's a that's a that's a touchy place, you know. Yeah. Yeah, but I thought they said that they were like there was allegations that she was they were getting a divorce or did they already have that. Yeah. Well see that's that's kind of one of those deals too, where I mean, especially in the court of law, it's like if they were gonna get a divorce, Yeah, it's she's Yeah, it's a big point. Now, Yeah, took his own life. Yeah

12:58 right, if he's if he's dead, and they couldn't find anything directly linking her to it, whether she did it or not, she might as well be innocent. Was it. Was there ever a doubt in the police that it was a suicide or was it always? Okay, So there was a doubt about the police department, the police department, the active investigators had many, many suspicions around it. So that's what actually kicked this whole thing off, okay, was that even the police were like, it would have been hard to even move with the amount of heroin that was in his system. Well, you're talking about a veteran here. This is somebody who's been he's he'd been at it for a while and then he'd been cleaned for a month.

13:46 Yeah he was. Didn't he start when he was a teenager? Oh yeah, yeah, somewhere early yeah. Yeah, so he had ten years or better of heroin usage and then I silent month of what a deep detox of nineties heroin usage. Yeah, and then's just being put out now with Fenton al and all that shit in it. Right, So he's clean, he's clean, he's already been through the withth Rolls all that he goes in and he does, you know, a megadose of what he normally would. That's where the suspicion comes in, is that he came out of a rehab, you know, took himself out of rehab, came back to his home in Seattle, and goes on a bender. So yeah, you got to think that being clean for a month and then doing a bender, potentially he wouldn't have even needed the shotgun, right, you know, it would have been enough to just take him out just by itself. That's where the suspicion comes in, where they're like, well, this is kind of weird because even the way his like he was laying, you know, the way they found him, it was it was off, like there was something off about it. So you know, I don't know, Yeah, it's it's weird, but that's the kind of the nature of of like iconic figures. You know what I mean, uh, when I was in my teens, in

15:18 my teenage years, I listened to a lot of Nirvana for probably three or four years there, and I will say I learned a lot of I learned a lot of song building strategy. Yeah, I guess from listening to Nirvana, and then as I kind of grew out of it, I kind of stopped following so went by the time he'd taken his own life, I was kind of like, oh wow, you know, like that's crazy, you know what I mean? Like this, dude, I think it's kind of the nature of like iconic figures is like especially ones that end are like end too soon, you know, because you think think of like the twenty seven Club. He's in it, din't he? Yeah, The twenty seven Club has all these iconic you know, Janice Joplin and Jim Morrison and Jim Hendrix.

16:10 You know Amy Winehouse. Amy Winehouse was the house. Yeah, I mean, you know which, I don't know if you guys listen to her or not, but I still listened to her. Amy Winehouse was a fucking phenomen like, holy shit, one of the best voices to ever come out in my opinion. Yeah, and she was a very old voice. Yes, that was it was lounge, you know. Yeah, well it had that, It had that, like the the Cuba influenced portions of New York Field to it. You know, it definitely had that that Bronx or Brooklyn, now the Brooklyn Brooklyn or Bronx were the Cubans, the huge Cuban population.

16:55 I can't remember. I want to say Brooklyn, but I don't know. I couldn't say. Yeah, I can't remember either. I've never been so but it has that influence, you know. Yeah. Yeah, but like look at look at her life. You know, she she got all the way to the point where she got to record a song with her hero, yea, Tony Bennett. Yeah, so she's standing in a studio with Tony Bennett, who was I mean, he was a walking monument, you know what I mean, Like, dude, like every bit as iconic is like the statue of liberty, right, and she's standing in a studio recording a song with him, you know what I mean. So she she made it to the top and then I think the last thing they said she she said was that she didn't want to die, and they found her dead.

17:41 Yeah, it's like so in a way, like I don't want to be morbid about it, but and in some ways very depressed people like maybe that was the sign of like the ceiling. That was the end of it, Like it couldn't get any better. That was their pinnacle. Yeah, yeah, and they didn't want to go on feeling depressed after having that such of a I no matter what, especially meaning somebody that you idolized in getting to do a song, especially like in that industry, being in that industry and getting to do that, Like I really like maybe that was the highest that was ever for her, Like she like it was just like it couldn't like she had to just let it go because she didn't want to lose that feeling, right like because she knows how like how how she felt inside and so like because like, be perfectly honest, I am not I will say this, I'm not the greatest musician in the world. But the times that I've been on stage, it is so amazing. Yeah, it's euphoric, like like I know that I like I beat myself fuck Like the times where I was playing drums and stuff, I was like, dude, I sucked at that part. I fucked that up. But hearing the even the smallest of crowds getting into it. It is so amazing and like I just could not

19:17 like imagine myself anywhere else but that moment. So yeah, I wanted to kind of kick back a little bit. I don't know if you guys like, Okay, you you've heard the whole theory of uh Courty Love. Yeah, potentially, like she hired somebody or she did herself. I'm assuming that everybody keeps saying she hired somebody to do to commit this murder, if you will. But there's another theory about that because there was a very big thing. She had very mental issues growing up, and she went the therapy some like there's some cases where she was a product of the MK ultra era.

20:07 Do you remember I ever heard of that? Oh I have heard this before. It's like LSD or something I think they said. But it's mind control. So some people say that Love was a a a CIA agent technically have you seen Courtney Love and interviews? But that's the thing, you would never guess that, Like when you like, it's the whole the whole joke about uh sleeper cell, you say a code word that no one would ever say. Yeah, it's like that's the thing, like like could that have been?

20:49 Like but there's actually like like like it was around the time, and didn't she she's a part of some other deaths? Ain't she? She dated somebody beforehand? I thought I thought she dated some other people beforehand that actually kind of ended their lives too. I mean, if that's true, I think, you know what I'm gonna say. You know, at what point do you kind of stop and you go maybe it's me? You know, like I don't know, like if you if you I used to own the the biography, uh what was it called? Come as you Are whatever?

21:37 The Kirk Cobain biography, and I remember reading it when I was younger. I read the whole thing, and be honest, man, if you go back and you read it, it's it starts to become a very very like clear picture of where it ends because from an early early on and he had a like a melancholy like where it just it was never it was never leieved, you know what I mean. And he had, you know, the stomach issues, that chronic stomach pain for his like his entire life, so you like never really knew a moment of peace, you know, wasn't he like sick, sick, like didn't there like something reason he always worse sweaters.

22:26 Maybe that's just a conspiracy always heard. I don't know, I don't Yeah, I couldn't say, but I know that. I mean, the drugs ended up being a way to stop the pain in his stomach. And then you know that, you know how that shake goes, that spirals out of control. And then take a person who's already volatile and depressed, especially living with a chronic pain, and then add a drug that's known for bringing you down to the lowest of the lows. Did I really at this point in life, I'm like, conspiracy or no. I feel like it was gonna end that way anyway, and some I mean, anything could have been the shotgun at that point, you know, it could have been the needle, It could have been anything. I just feel like a month before that, the right before the rehab thing, he overdosed in rome. Really yeah, so it's it was he was on that colligion like it was, you know, this the spiral was out of control, you know what I mean, Like it was. I feel like it was just inevitable at that point.

23:32 He arguably he definitely came in and He definitely shook up music big time, especially the you know the I mean Jesus Christ, I mean, if you if you really want to look at it like I mean, he was. He was an unwilling crusader against hair metal. He came in when hair metal was at the height right and literally just kicked the chair out from underneath of it. So thank you Kurt for that. Because metal, when metal recovered, I like to think that metal recovered with a little album entitled The Great Southern Trend Kill. And when that came out, it was, you know, to me, arguably that recovered metal on back onto the path that it's currently at now, which I'm thankful for. So I'm like, although and that now Kurt was a metal fan too. Kurt listened to some heavy as shit. He didn't play it, but he listened to it. But I really feel like what we got out of him was kind of like the perfect He was the perfect person for what he needed to be done. If I guess, like I feel like it was faded or something like it had to go a certain way. He wasn't meant to be an old Tony Bennett, you know, singing with with some young star or or a judge on some fucking TV show. Dude, he was against all that. He was

25:03 against the grain. You know. Yeah, this is the guy who would like go to the you know, MTV Music Awards to perform, dude, and like trash the stage and then sit down with you know, Kirk Hamnett and have a discussion all about the Floyd Rose tremolo, you know what I mean, Like, you know, they were he was that guy. He wasn't you know, there was this, and there was this, and he was he was on that path. And I just feel like it was inevitable. I don't feel like I don't feel like it could have ended any other way. Now that's just me though, Like I don't know, very very iconic person, and I feel like he definitely he I feel like he definitely stood up and could stand among the elect as far as some of the most iconic musicians you know, to step into, you know the world of music or whatever. You know, like like Elvi Stared. Look at Elvis.

26:02 Elvis had a fucking phenomenal career, right, the dude was on top of the world. Actually was helping the government, right like he was the real deal. Like you could be like it's not really conspiracy because he himself admitted it. You know, you know it's an excellent FBI documents that he has helped him. Yeah, he had helped him and his career kept going and kept going and kept going until he kind of just you know, there was I mean, I just feel like, like, what would Elvis have have What if he was around today, would he still be as what do he call it? Like, h impactful? I guess as he was? You know what I'm saying there, Like if he still here, is he a special? I guess right? You know that makes sense, Like there's like shooting stars and there's like because it's like the end of it. H you know, it's the end of it. It can't ever happen again. Yeah, Like he comes in, he fucking destroys, and he's gone before you know it, and it's like, man, he really made a big old impact. Yeah. I got one for you, Tyler, I got I got a music conspiracy for you. I think you'll like Before getting too I just want to like say, okay, I threw out the whole Courtney Love

27:32 being the CIA agent. So if that would be the case, do you feel like it's the government like with how Kurt Kurt was, Like, I feel like that was the whole thing is is that he was disrupting the status quo in a way, like Hause, he he voiced his opinions about everything, which everybody does that today, especially oh God, social media. Like they do feel like we are living in part of the world that he wanted yeah to Like so yeah, like what I'm trying to say is love it or hate it? Do you think it's a a possibility that they would want him go on because of his like especially his his reach in that time, since there was no social media or anything, but he was a huge star, like the martyr thing. Yeah, that's that's kind of like a I mean in a way when you look at the look at the grunge revolution, look at the kids involved in it, and you know they do the cliche quote all the time is like, well he gave a voice to that generation.

28:45 He kind of did. I mean, because he was part of it. He was sitting there saying like, dude, we're not fucking happy with this, we don't like this, this is bullshit, you know, you know what I mean, and then people lashed onto it. So I mean, if it if it really was a hit, you know, like it was, Hey, we're taking this guy out because he's inciting all this, you know, disorder wouldn't shock me. It's just I just feel like, you know, I don't know. I still feel like it's great, like reaching a bit, but it wouldn't shock me. We're not ready for peaceful people. You can ask JFK and Martin Luther, King, Malcolm X, you can ask all them guys about that. We're not ready for that.

29:32 Obviously. We can't handle people trying to make a difference. We're like, oh, it sounds good on paper, but you know it sucks. I mean, that's that's kind of that's kind of Remember I said this on a previous episode. Man, the only thing we worship is money. That's what we worship here. Say what you will, say, anything you want about religion, anything, you can claim it all all day long, to your face is blue. We worship the dollar. This is an economic country. That is our deity and that's always our bottom line. Yeah, we live and die by that dollar, absolutely. And the creption thing is it's going down in value almost every day. That's the shitty thing. I think our currency is gay. It's going into the realm of what is it like pay like pace like like pace, its like value wise, like isn't a dollar worth a thousand or like I might be out of like I think it's I think right now our dollars work technically around the world like eighty cents maybe maybe less than that. It's like and you even said it. They took it off of it when they started doing this whole currency thing. It used to be, uh, it was like the equivalent of of your gold, like you trade in your gold and like this could be traded for gold or something

31:04 like that, the equivalent of it. But they took that off. Now, yeah, it's not that's not on there anymore because like shit, you can't just take a dollar and get up like m