S369 - What is the golden ratio???

0:00 With your hosts Dennis Mays, Tyler Stewarts, and to Josh Gibbs. Don't forget to subscribe to us on you YouTube, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. You can also visit us at www. Dots ky x files dot com And now onto our show. I think, uh, I mean considering that like down there, you know, the more south you get, the more interesting the architecture gets. Right, you think that there's something there's something to that. I mean, you go the farther south than in those places you go, especially going into like the aged cultures, they weren't just building little like towns and like hobbles, they were building fucking pyramids in the jungle. Like I can't imagine being that being easy, you know what I mean? Right, you get it's something there's something to that, considering that you're a person that makes things you know, up here in difficult places.

1:08 Not no, I mean you know that that makes sense, you know the thing with Okay, So that's where me and a friend of mine work actually had a conversation similar to this. Yeah, and he's he's Mexican. Hell, he's going to be on the show eventually, And he was asking what I thought about like the pyramid stuff and Aliens, because you know, there's pyramids all over it. Yeah, And my thought on it is it's rather insulting to the people that built the stuff to assume they couldn't have built it, you know what I mean, Like you're taking the talent out of their hands or putting it in something supernatural. The there's a theory out there that all of those structures are much much, much older than we thought, and like the Egyptians didn't actually build the pyramids, that they found them, all right, Yeah, the same with the pyramids and South America and all that.

2:17 And the thought behind it is is that there was like a cataclysmic event that kind of boomed everybody back into another stone or bronze age yea, which is to me more realistic than Aliens came down and showed them how to stack rocks. Because that doesn't make a fucking bit of sense. Yeah, it doesn't. It's it's hard to get behind, that's for sure. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense because there's there's no outcome to it to where it makes sense. Yeah, what would be the point I do this all the time, with all of these theories I always skipped straight to that, Well what's the point, you know, like, why would why would they do it? Yeah, And that's the way you have to do. You got to look at the end result, yeah, and work backwards and see if it makes sense. So I think that there's a possibility that something like that happened. You know, they're every single culture has a great flood story.

3:09 Yeah, you know, so what if there was a cataclysmic event that really did push everybody back to a bronze or a stone age and people with so much more technology prior to that, maybe, you know, I mean that shit can happen. I think, you know, especially if you're already you know, if you're pre industrial, you know, there's no automation whatsoever. Everything is manually done. Your pre industry, you know, you don't even have rudimentary machines. And somebody comes along or something comes along and does something like that, you know, an asteroid hits the ocean or something, not enough to kill a planet, but enough to set everything back. Yeah, I don't see that. I don't see that as being out of the question, right, especially if you know, if it was something that geographically speaking, there was a downfall of people that were maybe higher up on the intelligence or wealth or whatever levels. You know, like if if the event caused it to where anybody that lived in this region was wiped out, and maybe the lesser knowledgeable, the less smart, the under educated survived because they weren't in this area. Like say, like if waterfront property was always something for the wealthy, the intelligent, the rich or whatever, and the floods happened

4:40 and killed all of them, then we're left with all the highlanders. Okay, yeah, you know, and then we've got all this stuff and they don't know how it's made. I see, that makes sense to me, right, yeah. And I've like I've always marveled at I mean, and they still believe there's still structures down in South America that haven't been discovered yet. Oh yeah, there's still structures that are just undiscovered. And it's like you, when I look at it and I look at the like the actual geographic location of those structures, I can't help but to be like, God, these people were such badasses that they literally built this ship in like probably the most difficult place possible, and they made it look easy because these structures are absolutely like let me pull up a couple real quick and show people because if anybody's out there is not familiar with these, and oh my god, you're you're missing out because this ain't I mean, this ain't just like, hey, you know, we're piling up some rocks and we're you know, I'll tell you what. I'm just gonna share my screen because I don't want to. I don't feel like they want through the whole thing of you know, trying to get the pictures or whatever. You guys see this, Yeah, check out this stuff, man like that like that that is not just

6:12 hey, we're just we're just gonna pile up some rocks. That is geometric, yeah, like it has symmetry, you know, it was it was planned and built, you know, right. These folks were not you know, they weren't just throwing some mud and sticks together. They were you know, these were architects. These were a laboring people that built these. They were cutting and forming stone. Yeah, I mean, look at this. I love this too. If you if you look at out you know, like look at thee like the comparisons and whatnot, right, And you know the thing about it is is, yeah, they all look alike and they're the people try to say that, you know, aliens came down and told them, but it doesn't take long to figure out a triangle is a form.

7:00 Yeah, but I always like I was just like thinking this too. It's like, okay, is there ever a possibility because possibility that they could have made this like the structure like think of like like a sun dial have a top point and then a shadow casts down. Don't you think they could have like mimic the shadow and stuff and made a pyramid out of that, like you get one say, like everybody's like, oh man, like it's so symmetrical and this that and the other thing. Like there's primitive ways to actually make it pretty pretty accurate if you follow it. I would you guys see this this picture too. I'm gonna leave it up on there. Yeah.

7:48 But now I like what Tyler's saying though, I oh yeah, that's kind of my thought exactly. It's like they use what they have, They use what they have, and they excel. You know. Some of the some of the synchronicities are are interesting, like like that one. The comparison of those those three with the very similar doors that you know, I want to stay similar. But they looked the same to me. I'm not a builder, you know what I mean. I'm sure Josh could probably point out like a lot of stuff with it, but I'm not a builder like you know, No, I know exactly what you're going with right there and it Okay, So, yes, they're incredibly similar. Out of the question that they were done by the same people. Maybe they were worldly people, maybe they were able to travel. That's kind of what I was going to get at is if the events did happen, what if they were seafaring people and they had vessels that they could get out. But one of the things you got to realize too, is that there's like an unconscious thing that happens with humans, especially anybody that's in art or design, right, And it's called the golden ratio. Okay, right, So the golden ratio is what causes things like that symmetrical entrance to make sense. Okay, I don't think I

9:22 think I'm familiar with this, but I don't know. Let's see here, I'll tell you what. Let me share my screen. Okay, I'm sorry. I love this shit like this, This stuff is so interesting to me. Okay, so you see this is this right here is the golden ratio, right, okay, okay. The golden ratio is this loose spiral that occurs that we put in everything we do. You see where you've got the small and then everything grows by thirds, right, Okay, we do this naturally because it looks right with everything. If this is si people, people a little, my wife talks about a lot. It's very similar, very similar. So if you look here at this one right here, so I can pull this up, this is all part of the golden ratio. It just exists and we use it constantly. We've used it everywhere. So the three pyramid windows has the same ratio as the colosseum here, you know, has the same ratio as the portions of the side of a pyramid, as the human face, as the seashell, as our ear. You know.

10:54 It's it's pretty wild how it works. It's interesting, but it's one of those things that it just exists in nature and people see it without knowing they're seeing it, and they'll like it. Okay, let's sake offense more. Just on the golden ratio here. That is that is fucking fascinating. Yeah, see, this is this is not what I thought I understood at all this I'm literally learning right now, right, Wow, well, this article is going to say all kinds of dumb stuff trying to get us to it right here. See like this painting, This is what I was trying to pull up. Was just this picture. This painting and this painting both follow the Golden ratio. Okay, on our screen, we're still looking at your search results. Oh okay, I don't know if that, Yeah, I wouldn't let me do that. Let's see this one maybe if I click on that. Nope, okay ah, so yeah, like this, can you see this is it? Okay? The golden ratio starts here and works this way out and everything falls into that arc. The same with the Mona Lisa okay right, the same with the side of the human face. Wow right, the same as somebody playing on a keyboard all day, which that picture, that picture instantly made me fix my posture. But even in like art,

12:28 like the Apple logo follows the Golden ratio, the Twitter logo where we used to be Twitter follows the Golden ratio. Butterflies follow the Golden ratio. I can't fully explain to you why, Yeah, we are drawn to it, but I mean, like see how out of that's a great ye there see, how like if it doesn't fall into the golden ratio, how wild it gets and how it's weird it is. So that being said, that's why that's why all these pyramids are similar, is because one, architecturally speaking, a pyramid is strong as hell. Right, two symmetry falls in the golden ratio thirds. Everything's you know, when you start making a big door in two windows, the big door should be a third larger than the two windows, which is exactly what you had. That's how symmetry works. Like everything split down the middle of mirrors of it, and we just like it when we see it, and it's I'm more in content into it because I'm obsessed with symmetry. Yeah, I mean, I mean it makes sense in your line of work. I mean you kind of I can't see that ever being a setback, right, I mean right, yeah, there's I know there was like there were certain vehicles that came out in the two thousands there were asymmetrical on the back and I would actually change lanes and go around just to get away from it because it was ving minute. Yeah, completely,

14:01 I understand that. That's why I don't look at fencing when I go past m yeah, my uh my, my brain goes goes absolutely insane when I put fencing in. It's it. It's ridiculous. Like I if there's a t post out of whack, I pull it and I move it. It's like I can't stand it. Right. But yeah, that's that's really that is really fucking interesting. I'd never heard of that before. God damn, I wonder if the folks like that are watching this right now. I wonder if they go, huh, I'll be damned, you know what I mean?

14:43 La, did you know anything about this stuff? I yeah, I've heard of it, but I've never took the time, like I didn't know it was actually damn that big of a thing. This is literally me So there you go. Here's some here's some more examples of it. Because it's like I said, it's not just in the Pyramids. I mean, the taj Mahal follows the golden ratio. Wow, you know is that's that's the Notre Dame right? Yeah, yeah, that follows the Golden ratio. Here's the question for you. Do you think that the golden ratio is universal?

15:30 Like do you think this is something that might occur throughout the universe or is it just like, you know, kind of affixed here on on our planet with us as a species, like this is species central not you know what I mean? My guess is yeah, that exists completely outside of our species because the galaxy. Holy shit, dude, wow, I don't know how I didn't piece that one together at all at all. So this is this is like literally a universal thing? Yes, yeah, that is mind blowing.

16:15 The world lives by the golden ratio. Now okay, I have to There's just no way I cannot mention this one. Okay. If this is a universal thing, all right, it looks like it is. I mean to me, it looks like blueprints, like, Okay, here's the universe, here's how this is going to lay out. Everything will follow this. So how how do we, like, how do you argue this? Like what would it be? Would this have been included in the planning or would this just be it happens to it's thing that just happened, because it almost seems too perfect to be random, right that. And I've told people this before, like, look, if you believe in create you know, creators and all that stuff, I respect it I'm on the fence. I think maybe something could have put it together. I just have a hard time thinking that it stuck around them, that it gives a shit. That's my whole issue. It's nothing else, you know what I mean. Yeah, just when I see stuff like that. You know, I want you to know one thing though, that this may or may not help as far as aliens go. Yeah, the only one that I found that fits is the xenomorph.

17:47 So I don't know if that helps or not. That's I don't I don't think that's a good one. That's not a good one to right. I don't feel like that's a you know, you could just say that they designed it around that too. I mean, if you if you look at pictures the aliens, if an alien doesn't fit the golden ratio, then it probably doesn't exist or did it make it? Hm? You know what I mean. Creating a system that you're not really a part of it is kind of a what if? What if the golden ratio is what's behind all of like the religious all the different religions where they say, you know, the gods have us and their own likeness. Yeah, what if the golden ratio is what is meant by that, you know, that'd be what I'd be.

18:38 I could accept it, like I would be okay with it, right, I mean the golden ratio might be God, it could. That's the That's always been a thing too, is that? What if there is some kind of creation you know power that created things, But what if it operates on a different thing, like it's not it's not coming to give you, you know, the winning lottery numbers. What if it's sole design, its sole purpose is to just create, you know what I mean? It would sure answer a lot of things for me personally. I don't know about how you guys feel about that, but I just I see a universal thing like this that just exists everywhere, you know, and I can't help it go wow. You know. Compound that with with the you know, the what is it the uh you know, all of the different different types of electrons, protons, neutrons, things like that that are all quantized, they're all pre programmed to do what they do. That's startling in my opinion, right because that's you know, anything that's been quantized or programmed. That's that's the that that falls into the fine tuning theory and the fine tuning theory is I mean, I know, I know most religious isn't happy with the fine tuning theory because they don't like the implications of it. But it technically does argue for the existence of a powerful force that made things happen. You know,

20:12 how strange would it be if the powerful force was a mathematical equation? I think that it would make total sense. I mean that's like a universal language, right, right, So, I mean, in my opinion, that would be I could accept that as an answer if they came to me and said, this is this is what it was. This was it was a mathematical equation, you know, rooted in you know, the golden ratio, and somehow it quantized everything to do everything that it does and the sole purpose is to create. Yeah, But then in that I would still have another question to ask who who put the pen to paper? What put the pen to paper on this? Who worked it out? Did it just happened?

21:08 Is it possible for it to just happen? It's like one of those infinite questions. It's like it's self defeating because of its size. Like I feel like you're you're just you'd just be chasing your tail forever on that one, right, which incidently chasing your tail would kind of kind of resemble the ratio I think, right, Yeah, fascinating, man, Wow, I think I'm gonna be thinking about this ship all day now. Yeah, that's fucking that's incredible. It basically falls under you know, your your rule of thirds.

21:49 So if you if you take a drawl, a square or a rectangle rather, and you split it into two thirds one third, and then you split that into two thirds one third, and then that into two thirds one third, and you start drawing your spiral to catch all your points, that's your golden ratio and that's what creates it. And then you can just start putting that over top of things, so you adjust your square to fit over whatever it is, and while it fits, that's yeah, that's incredible. And at all these pyramids, these structures, these amazing just architectural achievements of prehistory. Basically I'll follow this universal rule that's still being followed today. That that's mind blowing to me. Like I don't feel like I'm smart enough for this, you know what I mean? Like I just don't feel smart enough for it, Like I'm it makes me feel small, right, like it makes me feel small too. And the only reason I even have the slightest amount of context for it is because of construction, because I see it, you know, I because a lot of times when they don't know what to do on something, they asked, well, you want you guys just do that, you know. Yeah, And it's really unnerving because that it's like, oh great, if I design something, what if they don't like it?

23:11 Then I got to build it again. You know. Let's be here. If I could say this image, this image right here is a really good and that's a p and G. I can't do that crap. You know, it's weird talking about this stuff, especially like this this, you know, the the implication that think the golden ratio could be some kind of like universal code for creation. And yet I read a metaphor about a powerful creative force that happened to be a carpenter. Right, weird somebody actually was a builder. Yeah, So I always I've always suspected that a lot of these ancient texts were code for for something, or maybe them trying to describe I have things that they were seeing and that they were experiencing, you know, in a way that would make sense that I don't know. Fascinating.

24:07 Here we go. I've got one that I can show. I can make it big and make it explained the parthenon all right, Oh wow, there you go. So that gives you an exact example of the golden ratio of how it works. Now, I wish you guys could see my mouse. But if you look the smaller portion of the thirds to the left of the screen, you notice how the band, the corners band that goes directly above the columns. Yeah, right, that fits into that third damn near perfectly, right, yeah. And then the decorative piece that goes right across that it's almost like almost like dental mold that runs across the top of that falls directly into that as well. Right. Then you have your your overhang, the eyebrow of the building right that hits directly at that point, okay.

25:00 And then from side to side, the large swoop goes all the way across and it touches from the left of the building to the basically to the right of the building. You know where if you if you ignore the overhangs on the sides, and then the crest at the top where the peak would have been, you know it hits the top part of that other third. Okay, so that's that's where the rule of thirds work on the golden ratio right there. Pretty wild and that is really wild. Yeah, for for the sake of fund, Josh, And I know that you you love this. I found this and I'm gonna throw it up here for you. I think you'll appreciate this. M right. Yeah, So I don't know. Yeah, it's interesting right at mind blowing. Like I knew nothing about this, so it's incredible to me. I fucking love when I get to teach you something. Oh it's fucking that awesome. I'm like, you're a great student because you're like, oh, oh, tell me more. Oh yeah, dude, Like that's I knew nothing about this. I like, I know.

26:12 My wife's photographers, so she constantly talks about the rule of thirds, and whenever she gives me a camera, she says, I have a tendency to always do the rule of thirds, right, And it's just because I like the way it looks, you know, I like the way the rule of thirds looks when you're taking pictures and stuff. She's like, well, you you always do the rule of thirds every time you take a picture. She's like, yeah, I don't think you can help it. I think you just you're drawn to it. So I'd heard the rule of thirds, I just never heard the golden ratio before. That's that's why it's interesting to me. And the fact that so many things that you like, you've shown us with all these designs, bit it so perfectly is mind blowing to me.

26:52 Yeah. And I'm a monster when it comes to learn and shit like, I can't I can't stop once once it starts. Yeah, I have to understand. I've got another one for you, and this is this is really wild. Wow. The only question I would have on this one is is that does that occur no matter where you stand? Like? Does that fit? I mean I guess it would, right, you could adjust that ratio no matter where you were standing when you took that shot, right, I would think. So, Yeah, the further out you get, the further everything gets away. It's not like it's not like moving the sphinx center out, you know. Yeah, that's pretty wild. I mean, if you did a side view of them together, I feel like they would fit.

27:47 Still. I bet I bet they would bet you if you laid it down that the sphinx would fit in that Golden Spiral if it was laid down as well. Yeah, that's wild. That's unbelievable, fucking cool stuff. Man, it really is, man. And there's people I do think that the Golden or the Golden Spiral or the Golden ratio and all that's overrated and that it's forced perspective. But I mean, if it fits, it fits, you know. Yeah, whether or not, whether or not it's you know, overrated or doesn't make sense, is moot because it just fits, you know. Yeah, and so many of us appreciate things that just so happened to fall on that, right, Yeah, you know that's probably why, like things that are atypical, like you're what they the uncanny Valley stuff.

28:37 Oh yeah, it's that's probably why that is so unsettling because it falls out, okay, and then we we automatically are are like, well like mistrustful of it because it doesn't fit. Our eyes are in our mind are wanting. Right, that's pretty wild. I have, you know, I have experienced human beings that gave me the uncanny Valley feeling. I know this sounds mean, and I don't mean to be, but yeah, I encountered a person I can say with one percent certainty that that person literally gave me the feeling that they were not human, right, And it was so weird.

29:29 And I think I told you guys about it. I don't want to, like, you know, slander somebody on the show or anything of the sort, but I think I've told you guys about it. It's been a couple of years, so you know what I mean. But yeah, I've had that feeling before the Uncanny Valley. I just didn't know what it was called at the time. I just know it gave me the creeps big time. Right. It was so weird, man. You know. It was like, I don't like what I would U expect if you met a vampire, what it would feel like, you know, like your own like interpreting you whatever, interpreting your own feelings of meeting something that just didn't fit, you know, into that nice neat you know whatever. It was wild.

30:19 I know we've let it. We've let this one run on for a while. I have a story here. I wanted to tell you guys a little bit about it. Was a suggestion from one of our listeners. And if you guys ever heard of this, because I'd never heard of it before it is cursed grapestone of Carl Pruitt, Pulaski County, Kentucky. No, all right, so I don't I'm not not going to claim to be an expert in this, having just learned about this recently myself. But let me let me kind of give you guys a little rundown and see what you see, what you think about this, because it's I think it's pretty wild, okay.

31:03 Uh. Happened in June nineteen thirty eight, Pulaski County, Kentucky. This guy, Carl Pruett, Now he had a reputation for being had he had a bad temper, put it that way, right. He was kind of a violent man, kind of a you know, easy to go off the handle. Apparently, or I'll say allegedly. He had arrived home one afternoon and found his wife in bed with another man. Now, you could probably put two and two together right and say that something bad happened. Let me take you through that. Carl. Uh. He didn't just you know, pull a pistol and whatever. He took a chain and he wrapped it around his wife's neck and he strangled her to death with it. All right, Moments after he was done pull He did pull his pistol and he shot himself in the head. Now, the other man, the other man in this, he escaped out of a window just in time, so he got away, all right. So Carl, once Carl knew that that he'd done something terribly, he took his own life. Okay. So it goes on a little bit here. Apparently after this was all said and done, his

32:36 wife's parents, she they refused to have him laid to rest next to next to his wife, next to their daughter. Right, so they had had him buried as far away as they could in a completely different cemetery, all right. According to the legends, though, Carl's temper was not done and he never did get laid to rest. Uh. So, basically, people have noticed around the grave site of what it looks like chains burned into the ground in the grass, like the pattern of the chain. And this is a reoccurring thing people of people have seen over time or whatever. Okay, So this takes us to another part of the story. Man named James Colin, okay, uh, Okay. So there was a group of children that were being led by a mister James Colin had accused each other of being scared of the gravestone, of of of the man in question here, right, So I guess what had happened was they'd even accused James or whatever. He denied it that he was afraid, and he even threw rocks at the grave to prove that he wasn't scared. Right, Okay, So the stone, one of the stones had hit the gravestone and it broke a piece off.

34:06 Nothing happened, and these these kids and everybody kind of just jumped on their bicycles and ran off or wrote off. Right, all right, so what what what happened next is kind of weird? Okay? Uh, this this man James, in a freak accident. The chain on his bike had snapped, flipped his bike bike over with him on it. When everybody got to him to see if he was okay, he was dead, the bike chain snapped and wrapped around his neck, strangling him to death. What the fuck? Right? Yeah? Okay, So when they you know, the boys, they told everybody what they were doing, what had happened? You know that that he took them to the gravestone, they saw the chip or whatever.

35:05 That's the other thing is later on the broken off piece of the gravestone wasn't there anymore. The gravestone was intact, all right. So James's mother believed the boys, and she sought revenge. He gets the spirit of Carl. She took an axe herself, and she smashed the gravestone in the pieces. She was satisfied with her efforts. Once she was satisfied with her effort, she left the cemetery, and that was literally the last time anybody'd ever seen her alive. She was found the next day, strangled to death from a closed line where she accidentally tripped and entangled herself in it. A lot of people believe that this is the spirit of Carl Pruitt, and you know, basically what he'd found when he'd found his gravestone to be desecrated. He sought revenge. This was on and on all right. Now. I realized that there there are synchronicities that can they could pile up on certain things.

36:07 I've got a great list of them for you guys on a future show. I'm not ready to announce anything yet, though, uh I can't help but wonder how many of these legends are embellished or if it's just syncret you know, synchronicities that just seem to line up. If in fact, and I plan on digging more into this, if in fact, I find that each one of these persons did die the way it says, that's going to be interesting. I'll say that if they really did all strangle to death, Because, like I said, I know our shows running a bit long right now, so I didn't want to go into this. I have a list as long as my arm of things that have happened in this county since this.

36:53 So what I want to do is I want to go forward and research every one of these and see if I can figure out if this is real or if it's bullshit. But I wanted to show you guys, like the tip of the story and see what you guys impressions were. You know, I like it interesting in it Yeah, and it's right here in our own home state. I'm a little ashamed of myself, right, I've never heard of this before, so yeah, I was actually looking it up. And he's known as the Killer Ghost. Yeah, yeah, I read that. That's awesome. So I want to definitely want to do a big old shout out to our fan Ernie across the Pond for pointing that out to us. I'm a little ashamed that he had to point it out to us, right, but I'm glad he did because it's fascinating. Before we end the show, I sent something to our private chat on Facebook. I want to make sure you snag it up and put it up here, so before we end, all right, let's see here and grab it. Oh wow, Okay, that's a good way to go out. Ye all right, cool, let me stick this up here. Tyler's gonna crack up unless he's already looked at it. He's already looked at it. Uh see if I grab the right

38:25 thing here, yep. All right, Well, we're gonna end with this, guys, hopefully, hopefully I find some more interesting stuff about mister Carl Pruitt and h I've definitely learned a lot in this one, I will admit. So y'all take care of each other out there, and I'm gonna show you this so we'll see you on the next one, see you, guys. That's fu great, dude. I didn't even have the size of it. I just popped it on there and it was like, or you shouldn't make it. So we've been in the gold Prasia,