S364: Is the Tasmanian Tiger really the Chupacabra?

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0:54 Oh yeah, this fuck guy piste that cop love it. So you guys are tuning in at the right time. We were discussing U the Thila scene. For those of you are swine taste many tiger Well, they do that. I don't know, ain't They kind of like feedline. They're more they're more supial, they're more supial, but they're ever very candid. Yeah, I love well, then you're this is the right episode for you though, because we're making more soup heal than people. We just lost the thousands of scribers. Was just tanked. They're like, I can't handle this pun no, no, hey, we gotta to this discussion in our in our our little secret text group that we share about the Thyla scene. And it's interesting because technically the Thylacene is a is considered an extinct creature that slipped back into cryptid creature. And then information came about later saying that when we thought they

2:25 went extinct was actually way off too. We thought that the last one was like in the nineteen thirties, right, nineteen thirty three or something like that, the Bronze Zoo or that was a different one. What that. Yeah, I've got a I've got a footage of it. Uh, it's a here. I'll show you guys real quick. You're not familiar with the la scene out there? Uh yeah, Tasmanian tiger in color. Check this guy out Let me max that out here there he is. Look at that pretty wild hyena. It's amazing to me that I know that that's a real animal, but how fake it looks. Yeah, they've restored the footage too.

3:22 I don't know what that entails, but yeah, it's so weird because the way the like the skull, like the mouth and jaw, it looks fake. Yeah, like look at that. Yeah. Oh, wild Go Strong. It's necklace. Yeah, it listens the metal. Yeah, I like. I like that he's got like half tiger stripes. Yeah, he's kind of like all I gotta do is stick my ass out a little bit and I just disappear. Yeah yeah, I like that. So we were discussing that apparently it was what was it a Joe Rogan episode, they brought up that some chupacabra sightings were attributed to the possibility of the Tasmanian tiger maybe maybe surviving. I'm just gonna loop this. Yeah, So the the episode in question, the guy on there stated that there was apparently documented proof of a shipwreck that crashed into the shore that was on its way to the Bronx Zoo, and all of the animals escaped, including a breeding pair of Thilist scene.

4:46 This was in the early nineteen hundreds, and apparently shortly thereafter is when the troop of cabra siding started happening in the Northeast. So, to be fair with this, I haven't been able to find anything there's documented proof of a shipwreck even happening carrying any animals to the bron Zoo. But yeah, like I said before, government, you know, Yeah, they're pretty good at just doing dumb shit like covering stuff up, you know. Yeah.

5:34 So I don't. I don't know how much truth there is to it, if it happened or not. I do know that the Bronx Zoo did have Tasmanian tigers at one point. It's it's interesting I was saying before, because before we started recording, Tyler and said, like, you know, basically, are you guys saying that this is the chio of Cabra, And uh, I don't. I mean, I don't know if anybody can like they you know, this is the cheop of Cabra with one certainty. But I mean, what what I brought up earlier is like the reason these things were haunted to extinction in the first place was, you know, they were killing livestock. They killed goats and sheep, and I know, from what I understand, they did more damage to the sheep populations than did the goats.

6:26 But I mean that's a that's a parallel. In my mind, that's a parallel. It's like it's a goat killer, it's a sheep killer, right, yeah. And if you saw that in the middle of the night, it would it would be startling, especially in the United States. Yeah, because it's like a dog, but it's not. It's like it's like it lives in the Uncanny Valley of K nine. Right, yeah, yeah, here's you one from uh twenty twenty. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. Let's say about that. No, that's a Tasmanian tiger spotted.

7:23 That's what they're claiming. Uh, things that it does not say. Oh well, uh, I wonder if the person's driving or not. I don't know, because he's in the he's on the right hand side of the vehicle. Yeah, it could be flipped two. Yeah, but it flipped wouldn't be handicapped signs be backwards. Oh yeah, I don't know, fellas, that's yeah. I mean if if you ask me right now, that's that's close enough for my The rigid, like the rigidity of the tail is what's getting me because the other video when it was walking back and forth, a tail it doesn't like wag and flop like a dog or even a cat, you know what I mean. It's almost pretty Yeah. I mean, I know people fake shit all the time, so I mean there's always that possibility. But I kind of come back to my same point and make all the time as this, what's the fucking point? Right? You know what I mean? What would be a point? Clicks? It's about it some dude sitting in a basement like, man, I'm gonna fake a Thila scene

8:56 siding right. I can't help it. I'm just like really league, like there's is there is there someone out there that's like that passionate. But I mean I guess there is because there's fuckers on YouTube, you know, and gorilla suits, you know, someone bigfoot sightings. So I don't know. I what I read was recent. Recent research has shown that the Thylas scene actually survived a lot longer than they thought. It takes fifty fifty years from the last sighting to confirm and move an animal into the category of extinct, and the sightings had to be confirmed, right, It has to be confirmed, So you basically need to have the sighting, and then you have to bring an official to basically have their own sighting. Okay, I'm gonna say this right now, that alone is not enough because if you're if I say, okay, so say I go, I walk outside right now and I see a solid white deer, Okay, that's where I live. This is a big thing because a solid white deer was killed here where I live.

10:13 Okay. So say I walk outside and I say, I've spot a solid white deer. Okay, so I just had a siding. Now I gotta go all the way or I gotta get Josh and Tyler all the way over here so they can confirm it. How do I convince the deer to hang out and while they while they're on their way right, you know what I mean. So it's hard for me to discredit somebody saying, like, dude, I think I've seen one of them things. I think I've seen it. I've seen a Thala scene. But by the time the officials got there, there was no Thyala scene to be seen, so it can't be confirmed.

10:54 Well that's fucking bullshit, because there's no way that some of the bitch is gonna hang out like yeah, yeah, you go get a few people. Man, I'll hang, I'll just chill here. I know you need to confirm me. I got it, man, I'll wait, I'll wait. I wasn't I wasn't even going to touch your sheep. Man, Just you know, just say it's not a not a great system, and so some ways like yeah, I can see like what they like some depict what it looks like, so I can see where people would mistake that. But then you get freaking like adaptations like this, like yeah, it's like, so what are people actually seeing like like that? I would say, I don't know. That just looks like a burnt coyote because if we remember when we were watching that video, the head of a Tasmanian tiger is so unique.

11:56 I don't think you would mistake that. For if you actually killed one, I don't think you would mistake the face. But then we we actually got like in our little chat, uh you guys started talking about what what would like would they be able to start breeding? Like yeah, the the two would start like the two breeding pair that we were Like, they said that got released around there, what would it take it to breed with another animal out there? Like like what's the common like common thing around there? Like would would there be like fox coyotes or something or what what would it be able to breed with? You think? Right, see that that raises a major major problem because of their being a marsupial. Okay, so who the fuck knows? You know, I would imagine that it wouldn't be able to because isn't the only American marsupial apostle. Yeah, I believe, So I'm gonna look it up. Okay, I'm going to be a little ignorant on this. What classifies a marsupial. I remember, like I know, I've been told this, I've read this, taught this, but I can't remember off the top of my head. Okay, So marsupials primarily the most

13:28 the most distinct thing that they have versus other mammals is that they carry their young and a pouch. Oh so they're like kangaroos. So a kangaroo, wallabies, wallabies, possum. You know, do possums carry in a pouch? Yes? Do they? Yeah, I've never seen it, but yeah, and on their back when they get a little older. But yeah, the the the possum is the only North American marsupials. Okay, I'm just saying like this is this is kind of like linking up a little bit a lot of like uh, mistaken sightings that we're like kind of linking together, like, Okay, we now we're seeing the Tasmanian tiger is technically the Chioper cabra, and we've made the assumption that the dog man is a kangaroo, Like, what is up with these small supials that people cup like if that's the case. I'm not saying that it's it is or isn't, but I'm just saying it's like, like this is another marsupial that's taken that place, like that place. Okay. So one thing that to consider too is the way mitochondrial DNA works. All Right, A cross breed between say two different species of kangaroo might work. It's not a guarantee, right, They are

15:05 not as close as say two dog breeds. Then. The reason being is that like say, say like you crossed ah, you know, a poodle with a with a pit bull. Right, Honestly, you've got a ninety five percent chance it's gonna take. It's gonna work. It's gonna be some interesting look at bubbies, but it'll work. But you see that those both trace back to the same or like originating species. So cross breeding a dog technically isn't cross breeding it. Every time you cross breed a dog, you're kind of just putting the original DNA back together one piece at a time. But with with two different marsupials. You got a bigger problem because they have different sets of DNAs that have run unique from each other. They're not they're not coming from the same animal, you know what I mean. So like crossbreeding is possible, it's just very very slim chances. Is that like kind of like the what is it the donkey or the or the mule? Yeah, the mule. The mule is a cross breed of a donkey and a horse, right, I believe so, Yeah, but that doesn't like and you say they're actually sterile too, ain't it. They're sterile once once they once they come to size, they can't be they can't breathe. Is that just because that they're not Basically their DNA is just kind of jacked because there are two different types of animals. Yeah, I mean, it's just something

16:38 something doesn't link up and then and then you know when they when they go to reproduce, something doesn't work out. Like it's the wrong type of you know, all the way down to like the proteins that are the proteins that are in the sperm may not be able to pierce, you know, the the egg wall of the female. You know what I mean, Like it's it could be this littlest thing that stops. Yeah. In a way, I've always thought that was like some part of evolution, that somehow, some way that uh like two different species come together and that's how we got this or this and that. I've never never really dived in that. I remember you guys talking about it a long time ago, about a mule and stuff like that. But I was like, I never thought, like I thought if there was a chance like it like in nature, that it happened like say a deer made it with a wolf or something like, is it possible?

17:41 Yeah? So that's oh God, But there everything I've looked up is a resounding new Yeah. Because the marsupial versus placental is like your key issue. Yeah, different different types of reproductive organs, different reproduction on together. The mule itself, I was saying when I said the proteins in the sperm, I wasn't talking about the mule. The mule can't breed with a horse because of a difference in chromosome. I think mules got like, I'm probably wrong on this case. So fact checkers, you know, do your thing.

18:26 But the horse has like sixty five and the mule has like sixty four or something. It's it's really close there, but it's not enough to be compatible. Well, mules are sterile, that's what I mean. That's why they're completely sterile. Yeah, they can't even breed together there. It's their chromosomes do not match. Yeah, so you can have a male mule and a female mule and they will not breed. Yeah, let's see here. Oh, hang on here it is. The reason is is because of the DNA. Okay, so no two mules is going to have the same amount of chromosome. Right. A mule that that comes out with like one extra chromosome, he's gonna be more horselike, right, one less, it's gonna be more more donkey. Like horses have sixty four chromosomes. I was close.

19:21 Donkey has sixty two. The mules typically end up with sixty three. Mules can be either male or female. Because of the odd number of chromosomes, they cannot reproduce even even with each other. Yep. And I've actually got a friend who keeps gated mules, which is a really interesting mule if you've ever seen one. If I have, that's a big ass mule. So a gated mule is a cross between a Tennessee walker and a donkey. Wow. Yeah, and they walk they walk like a walker. Oh shit, Yeah, it's fucking wild. But could you is there a possibility if you could actually like say that, because this could happen anywhere, Like you you breed mules over and over and over. Is there a possibility that you can finally get one to two pair that have the same DNA basically almost?

20:19 Is there a possibility you come out like actually like cloning through parental like animal husbandry? Well, I mean like because he was saying that the chromosomes are not matching. One had sixty two the other one, and they say, if it's higher, it's more horse like. If it's lower, it's more like. When it's more donkey like, you get what's called a henney. He gets familiar with a heney. Uh, it's they're not popular. Nobody, nobody likes hithing. I actually a couple of years back, saw I met a henny that was up for adoption. And the reason is is because she's the horse stallion and a female donkey, and you get an offspring called a heney, right, And the reason people don't like them is because they're fucking assholes. For some reason, they know that they're a henny and they fucking hate it, and they hate you and they hate everybody, and they're just typical bad attitude, Like they pick on other animals, they go after the owner hennis are. Yeah, but that's that's the example right there.

21:30 But that's what I was trying to say, is like, if you could get something that's like close, like you actually say that that's your mission to the content. Like see if you could actually get a breeding pair and you test the DNA to like and see it they match, if there's a chance that they match, could they breed if they matched? Yeah you mean mules? Yeah, mules, Okay, because they have sixty three chromosomes. But that's what I'm saying. It's like because it's all it's a it's a jump back and forth, right, Yeah, But you notice you notice something that the other two animals have that the that the mule doesn't. Though the horse has sixty four, the donkey has sixty two. They have sixty four matching sets of chromosomes, sixty two matching sets. The mule has one extra chromosome just hanging out and it's an odd number. They can't. They just can't produce. They can't reproduce because of the it's a it's a fuck up in DNA, you know what I mean. It's like a it's like a banged up blueprint. It just won't work like it's you gotta have even even sets for the blueprint. So you said, notice most animals have even sets of chromosomes and the mule doesn't. Yeah, which again kind of lends back to the whole. You know, the troop a Tasmanian cabra. It's like maybe,

23:06 but god, it'd be one in a million that it meets another animal that it's compatible with and the chromosomes. You know, America, what does it have to choose from? Apossum? Did you guys know that apossum? That said, did you guys know that ze brass and zonkeys exist? I had no idea that you could get as a as a brass or as or a zonkey. I love the brass. I think, oh, zebras a donkey male and a zebra Mayor gives you as a brass, a zebra stallion and a donkey Jenny gives you a zonkey or as a donk. Same same issue comes up with these two. Yeah, uneven chromosome, can't you produce so that like could like okay zebras? Could they made with a horse?

24:06 Yeah? Is it the same? Is it the same thing? Like a donkey? They can? Yeah, but the offspring is still gonna be a missile. Okay. That's what I was saying, is like like are they able to continue the lineage? No? You basically get one. You just get the one and then you know, you know what they should this uneven chromosome thing. You know what it should have They should have did this with is goats. I should have made it to where goats can't can't keep going. Sorry, I'm just I'm aggravated at the goats right now from breaking shit. You can get a source? Yeah, a dourse. Yeah, wouldn't it be kind of cold just to tell people you were out riding your resource?

24:52 Yeah that's pretty wild. Yeah what a flex? What about a Okay? Okay, more okay. We did say, going back to like previous episodes that we've talked about, they are kangaroos that are loose in North America. Yeah, we have aaron kangaroos. So you feel just like you said that there's two different types of kangaroos, they might be able to breed. Could there be a chance that these two far from home animals somehow met and had might have a child. I think the downfall of that idea is one is carnivorous and the other is not. Yea, but the other one is totally Like, I'm just straight up saying that fucking kangaroos are dicks. You want to hear something about a little i'd blowing about that very topic is in the in the genome of the Tasmanian tiger. It is actually closely related to kangaroos than it is the dingo. It's much closser relative to kangaroos than it is anything else, even though it looks more like a fox. Yeah, that's so weird to me. Yeah, they look like a giant fox.

26:22 Yeah yeah? Or what is it? Is it? What the heck are? There's things called the Oh no, they're what the heck are they called? They're considered more feeline than dog, but they look like dogs. Hyenas. Yeah, hyenas. Oh, here you go. Let me show you guys this, uh share screen secrets from Beyond Extinction. The Tasmanian tiger was a kangaroo in wolf's clothing. That genetic luprint provides crucial new information on the biology of this unique marsupial and how the Tasmanian tiger or Thylacene evolved to look so similar to the dingo despite being distantly very distantly related. It shows that the thilacene had poor genetic health before it was hunted to extinction in nineteen thirty six, which may have helped other threatened species like the Tasmanian devil. Where's it at? Here was a marsupial, which are mammals with a pouch.

27:29 The genome obtained from the best preserved Thilocenes specimens in the world, one hundred and six year old pouch young held in Museums or Victoria's collection. Research team us cutting edge techniques to extract the DNA and sequence the genome allowed us to confirm the Thilacene's placed on the evolutionary tree. The Taismanian tiger belongs in the sister lineage to dasy Uridae family, which includes the Tasmanian devil and the dunart. Also importantly, the genome has revealed poor genetic health, a low genetic diversity at the Thila scene experienced before it was over hunted. Where the hell is it here? I'm trying to scam because I'm like, man, this is a long article. I don't read the whole thing. Yeah, very similar skull shape to the red fox or gray wolf. H I don't know.

28:41 I mean, it's like they use that, they put it in a headline, and they never talked about it. It's weird, weird. Who the hell does that? Who does that? Ship? Assholes? I'd cancel them guys. Oh god, maybe we should do that. Maybe we should say the thylacine is related, this related to Bigfoot. Oh my god, I'm I'm digging through animal hybrids that actually exist, and I think i've the possibly the most terrifying one, which one a groller. What is that half grizzly bear, half polar bear. Oh yeah, yeah, this is actually a naturally occurring hybrid too. They're also named Pisley, which I don't think that sounds as aggressive or terrifying. Ye, don't call something pisley and expect people to not walk up and try to take selfies with it. So I know, with like the Ligers, there's something that happens in the DNA when they when they're when they create offspring, That there's like growth inhibitors that stop animals from reaching a certain side. Yeah, and that that thing's on vacation with those animals, and that's why those things are stupid huge, like absolutely enormous. I really hope that that isn't the case with rollers. Oh God,