Sept. 11, 2023
S364: Is the Tasmanian Tiger really the Chupacabra?
Today we discuss some extinct animals, especially this one - the Thylacine - who may or may not have given rise to the dreaded Chupacabra story.
Today we discuss some extinct animals, especially this one - the Thylacine - who may or may not have given rise to the dreaded Chupacabra story.
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You are listening to The Kentucky X
Files Season three with your hosts Dennis Mays,
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Tyler Stewarts, and Josh Gibbs.
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wish dot com basist. Welcome back, guys to your Kentucky X Files.
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Oh yeah, this fuck guy piste
that cop love it. So you guys
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are tuning in at the right time. We were discussing U the Thila scene.
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For those of you are swine taste
many tiger Well, they do that.
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I don't know, ain't They kind
of like feedline. They're more they're
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more supial, they're more supial,
but they're ever very candid. Yeah,
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I love well, then you're this
is the right episode for you though,
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because we're making more soup heal than
people. We just lost the thousands of
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scribers. Was just tanked. They're
like, I can't handle this pun no,
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no, hey, we gotta to
this discussion in our in our our
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little secret text group that we share
about the Thyla scene. And it's interesting
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because technically the Thylacene is a is
considered an extinct creature that slipped back into
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cryptid creature. And then information came
about later saying that when we thought they
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went extinct was actually way off too. We thought that the last one was
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like in the nineteen thirties, right, nineteen thirty three or something like that,
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the Bronze Zoo or that was a
different one. What that. Yeah,
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I've got a I've got a footage
of it. Uh, it's a
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here. I'll show you guys real
quick. You're not familiar with the la
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scene out there? Uh yeah,
Tasmanian tiger in color. Check this guy
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out Let me max that out here
there he is. Look at that pretty
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wild hyena. It's amazing to me
that I know that that's a real animal,
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but how fake it looks. Yeah, they've restored the footage too.
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I don't know what that entails,
but yeah, it's so weird because the
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way the like the skull, like
the mouth and jaw, it looks fake.
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Yeah, like look at that.
Yeah. Oh, wild Go Strong.
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It's necklace. Yeah, it listens
the metal. Yeah, I like.
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I like that he's got like half
tiger stripes. Yeah, he's kind
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of like all I gotta do is
stick my ass out a little bit and
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I just disappear. Yeah yeah,
I like that. So we were discussing
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that apparently it was what was it
a Joe Rogan episode, they brought up
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that some chupacabra sightings were attributed to
the possibility of the Tasmanian tiger maybe maybe
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surviving. I'm just gonna loop this. Yeah, So the the episode in
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question, the guy on there stated
that there was apparently documented proof of a
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shipwreck that crashed into the shore that
was on its way to the Bronx Zoo,
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and all of the animals escaped,
including a breeding pair of Thilist scene.
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This was in the early nineteen hundreds, and apparently shortly thereafter is when
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the troop of cabra siding started happening
in the Northeast. So, to be
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fair with this, I haven't been
able to find anything there's documented proof of
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a shipwreck even happening carrying any animals
to the bron Zoo. But yeah,
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like I said before, government,
you know, Yeah, they're pretty good
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at just doing dumb shit like covering
stuff up, you know. Yeah.
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So I don't. I don't know
how much truth there is to it,
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if it happened or not. I
do know that the Bronx Zoo did have
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Tasmanian tigers at one point. It's
it's interesting I was saying before, because
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before we started recording, Tyler and
said, like, you know, basically,
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are you guys saying that this is
the chio of Cabra, And uh,
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I don't. I mean, I
don't know if anybody can like they
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you know, this is the cheop
of Cabra with one certainty. But I
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mean, what what I brought up
earlier is like the reason these things were
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haunted to extinction in the first place
was, you know, they were killing
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livestock. They killed goats and sheep, and I know, from what I
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understand, they did more damage to
the sheep populations than did the goats.
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But I mean that's a that's a
parallel. In my mind, that's a
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parallel. It's like it's a goat
killer, it's a sheep killer, right,
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yeah. And if you saw that
in the middle of the night,
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it would it would be startling,
especially in the United States. Yeah,
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because it's like a dog, but
it's not. It's like it's like it
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lives in the Uncanny Valley of K
nine. Right, yeah, yeah,
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here's you one from uh twenty twenty. Yeah, I don't know, I
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don't know. Let's say about that. No, that's a Tasmanian tiger spotted.
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That's what they're claiming. Uh,
things that it does not say.
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Oh well, uh, I wonder
if the person's driving or not. I
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don't know, because he's in the
he's on the right hand side of the
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vehicle. Yeah, it could be
flipped two. Yeah, but it flipped
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wouldn't be handicapped signs be backwards.
Oh yeah, I don't know, fellas,
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that's yeah. I mean if if
you ask me right now, that's
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that's close enough for my The rigid, like the rigidity of the tail is
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what's getting me because the other video
when it was walking back and forth,
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a tail it doesn't like wag and
flop like a dog or even a cat,
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you know what I mean. It's
almost pretty Yeah. I mean,
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I know people fake shit all the
time, so I mean there's always that
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possibility. But I kind of come
back to my same point and make all
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the time as this, what's the
fucking point? Right? You know what
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I mean? What would be a
point? Clicks? It's about it some
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dude sitting in a basement like,
man, I'm gonna fake a Thila scene
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siding right. I can't help it. I'm just like really league, like
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there's is there is there someone out
there that's like that passionate. But I
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mean I guess there is because there's
fuckers on YouTube, you know, and
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gorilla suits, you know, someone
bigfoot sightings. So I don't know.
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I what I read was recent.
Recent research has shown that the Thylas scene
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actually survived a lot longer than they
thought. It takes fifty fifty years from
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the last sighting to confirm and move
an animal into the category of extinct,
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and the sightings had to be confirmed, right, It has to be confirmed,
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So you basically need to have the
sighting, and then you have to
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bring an official to basically have their
own sighting. Okay, I'm gonna say
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this right now, that alone is
not enough because if you're if I say,
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okay, so say I go,
I walk outside right now and I
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see a solid white deer, Okay, that's where I live. This is
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a big thing because a solid white
deer was killed here where I live.
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Okay. So say I walk outside
and I say, I've spot a solid
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white deer. Okay, so I
just had a siding. Now I gotta
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go all the way or I gotta
get Josh and Tyler all the way over
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here so they can confirm it.
How do I convince the deer to hang
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out and while they while they're on
their way right, you know what I
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mean. So it's hard for me
to discredit somebody saying, like, dude,
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I think I've seen one of them
things. I think I've seen it.
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I've seen a Thala scene. But
by the time the officials got there,
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there was no Thyala scene to be
seen, so it can't be confirmed.
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Well that's fucking bullshit, because there's
no way that some of the bitch
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is gonna hang out like yeah,
yeah, you go get a few people.
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Man, I'll hang, I'll just
chill here. I know you need
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to confirm me. I got it, man, I'll wait, I'll wait.
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I wasn't I wasn't even going to
touch your sheep. Man, Just
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you know, just say it's not
a not a great system, and so
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some ways like yeah, I can
see like what they like some depict what
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it looks like, so I can
see where people would mistake that. But
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then you get freaking like adaptations like
this, like yeah, it's like,
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so what are people actually seeing like
like that? I would say, I
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don't know. That just looks like
a burnt coyote because if we remember when
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we were watching that video, the
head of a Tasmanian tiger is so unique.
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I don't think you would mistake that. For if you actually killed one,
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I don't think you would mistake the
face. But then we we actually
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got like in our little chat,
uh you guys started talking about what what
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would like would they be able to
start breeding? Like yeah, the the
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two would start like the two breeding
pair that we were Like, they said
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that got released around there, what
would it take it to breed with another
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animal out there? Like like what's
the common like common thing around there?
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Like would would there be like fox
coyotes or something or what what would it
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be able to breed with? You
think? Right, see that that raises
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a major major problem because of their
being a marsupial. Okay, so who
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the fuck knows? You know,
I would imagine that it wouldn't be able
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to because isn't the only American marsupial
apostle. Yeah, I believe, So
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I'm gonna look it up. Okay, I'm going to be a little ignorant
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on this. What classifies a marsupial. I remember, like I know,
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I've been told this, I've read
this, taught this, but I can't
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remember off the top of my head. Okay, So marsupials primarily the most
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the most distinct thing that they have
versus other mammals is that they carry their
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young and a pouch. Oh so
they're like kangaroos. So a kangaroo,
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wallabies, wallabies, possum. You
know, do possums carry in a pouch?
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Yes? Do they? Yeah,
I've never seen it, but yeah,
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and on their back when they get
a little older. But yeah,
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the the the possum is the only
North American marsupials. Okay, I'm just
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saying like this is this is kind
of like linking up a little bit a
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lot of like uh, mistaken sightings
that we're like kind of linking together,
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like, Okay, we now we're
seeing the Tasmanian tiger is technically the Chioper
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cabra, and we've made the assumption
that the dog man is a kangaroo,
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Like, what is up with these
small supials that people cup like if that's
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the case. I'm not saying that
it's it is or isn't, but I'm
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just saying it's like, like this
is another marsupial that's taken that place,
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like that place. Okay. So
one thing that to consider too is the
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way mitochondrial DNA works. All Right, A cross breed between say two different
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species of kangaroo might work. It's
not a guarantee, right, They are
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not as close as say two dog
breeds. Then. The reason being is
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that like say, say like you
crossed ah, you know, a poodle
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with a with a pit bull.
Right, Honestly, you've got a ninety
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five percent chance it's gonna take.
It's gonna work. It's gonna be some
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interesting look at bubbies, but it'll
work. But you see that those both
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trace back to the same or like
originating species. So cross breeding a dog
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technically isn't cross breeding it. Every
time you cross breed a dog, you're
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kind of just putting the original DNA
back together one piece at a time.
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But with with two different marsupials.
You got a bigger problem because they have
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different sets of DNAs that have run
unique from each other. They're not they're
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not coming from the same animal,
you know what I mean. So like
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crossbreeding is possible, it's just very
very slim chances. Is that like kind
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of like the what is it the
donkey or the or the mule? Yeah,
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the mule. The mule is a
cross breed of a donkey and a
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horse, right, I believe so, Yeah, but that doesn't like and
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you say they're actually sterile too,
ain't it. They're sterile once once they
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once they come to size, they
can't be they can't breathe. Is that
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just because that they're not Basically their
DNA is just kind of jacked because there
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are two different types of animals.
Yeah, I mean, it's just something
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something doesn't link up and then and
then you know when they when they go
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to reproduce, something doesn't work out. Like it's the wrong type of you
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know, all the way down to
like the proteins that are the proteins that
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are in the sperm may not be
able to pierce, you know, the
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the egg wall of the female.
You know what I mean, Like it's
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it could be this littlest thing that
stops. Yeah. In a way,
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I've always thought that was like some
part of evolution, that somehow, some
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way that uh like two different species
come together and that's how we got this
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or this and that. I've never
never really dived in that. I remember
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you guys talking about it a long
time ago, about a mule and stuff
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like that. But I was like, I never thought, like I thought
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if there was a chance like it
like in nature, that it happened like
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say a deer made it with a
wolf or something like, is it possible?
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Yeah? So that's oh God,
But there everything I've looked up is
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a resounding new Yeah. Because the
marsupial versus placental is like your key issue.
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Yeah, different different types of reproductive
organs, different reproduction on together.
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The mule itself, I was saying
when I said the proteins in the sperm,
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I wasn't talking about the mule.
The mule can't breed with a horse
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because of a difference in chromosome.
I think mules got like, I'm probably
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wrong on this case. So fact
checkers, you know, do your thing.
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But the horse has like sixty five
and the mule has like sixty four
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or something. It's it's really close
there, but it's not enough to be
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compatible. Well, mules are sterile, that's what I mean. That's why
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they're completely sterile. Yeah, they
can't even breed together there. It's their
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chromosomes do not match. Yeah,
so you can have a male mule and
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a female mule and they will not
breed. Yeah, let's see here.
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Oh, hang on here it is. The reason is is because of the
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DNA. Okay, so no two
mules is going to have the same amount
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of chromosome. Right. A mule
that that comes out with like one extra
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chromosome, he's gonna be more horselike, right, one less, it's gonna
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be more more donkey. Like horses
have sixty four chromosomes. I was close.
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Donkey has sixty two. The mules
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they cannot reproduce even even with each
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got a friend who keeps gated mules, which is a really interesting mule if
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you've ever seen one. If I
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So a gated mule is a cross
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Wow. Yeah, and they walk
they walk like a walker. Oh shit,
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Yeah, it's fucking wild. But
could you is there a possibility if
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you could actually like say that,
because this could happen anywhere, Like you
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you breed mules over and over and
over. Is there a possibility that you
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can finally get one to two pair
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Is there a possibility you come out
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husbandry? Well, I mean like
because he was saying that the chromosomes are
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not matching. One had sixty two
the other one, and they say,
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if it's higher, it's more horse
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like. When it's more donkey like, you get what's called a henney.
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He gets familiar with a heney.
Uh, it's they're not popular. Nobody,
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nobody likes hithing. I actually a
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met a henny that was up for
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she's the horse stallion and a female
donkey, and you get an offspring called
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a heney, right, And the
reason people don't like them is because they're
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fucking assholes. For some reason,
they know that they're a henny and they
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fucking hate it, and they hate
you and they hate everybody, and they're
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just typical bad attitude, Like they
pick on other animals, they go after
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the owner hennis are. Yeah,
but that's that's the example right there.
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But that's what I was trying to
say, is like, if you could
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get something that's like close, like
you actually say that that's your mission to
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the content. Like see if you
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test the DNA to like and see
it they match, if there's a chance
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that they match, could they breed
if they matched? Yeah you mean mules?
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that's what I'm saying. It's like
because it's all it's a it's a jump
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back and forth, right, Yeah, But you notice you notice something that
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the other two animals have that the
that the mule doesn't. Though the horse
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has sixty four, the donkey has
sixty two. They have sixty four matching
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sets of chromosomes, sixty two matching
sets. The mule has one extra chromosome
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just hanging out and it's an odd
number. They can't. They just can't
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produce. They can't reproduce because of
the it's a it's a fuck up in
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DNA, you know what I mean. It's like a it's like a banged
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up blueprint. It just won't work
like it's you gotta have even even sets
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for the blueprint. So you said, notice most animals have even sets of
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chromosomes and the mule doesn't. Yeah, which again kind of lends back to
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the whole. You know, the
troop a Tasmanian cabra. It's like maybe,
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but god, it'd be one in
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that it's compatible with and the chromosomes. You know, America, what does
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it have to choose from? Apossum? Did you guys know that apossum?
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That said, did you guys know
that ze brass and zonkeys exist? I
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had no idea that you could get
as a as a brass or as or
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a zonkey. I love the brass. I think, oh, zebras a
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donkey male and a zebra Mayor gives
you as a brass, a zebra stallion
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and a donkey Jenny gives you a
zonkey or as a donk. Same same
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issue comes up with these two.
Yeah, uneven chromosome, can't you produce
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Is it the same thing? Like a
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donkey? They can? Yeah,
but the offspring is still gonna be a
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missile. Okay. That's what I
was saying, is like like are they
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able to continue the lineage? No? You basically get one. You just
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get the one and then you know, you know what they should this uneven
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chromosome thing. You know what it
should have They should have did this with
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is goats. I should have made
it to where goats can't can't keep going.
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Sorry, I'm just I'm aggravated at
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You can get a source? Yeah, a dourse. Yeah, wouldn't
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it be kind of cold just to
tell people you were out riding your resource?
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a flex? What about a Okay?
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Okay, more okay. We did
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episodes that we've talked about, they
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Yeah, we have aaron kangaroos.
So you feel just like you said
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that there's two different types of kangaroos, they might be able to breed.
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Could there be a chance that these
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had might have a child. I
think the downfall of that idea is one
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is carnivorous and the other is not. Yea, but the other one is
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totally Like, I'm just straight up
saying that fucking kangaroos are dicks. You
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want to hear something about a little
i'd blowing about that very topic is in
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the in the genome of the Tasmanian
tiger. It is actually closely related to
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kangaroos than it is the dingo.
It's much closser relative to kangaroos than it
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is anything else, even though it
looks more like a fox. Yeah,
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that's so weird to me. Yeah, they look like a giant fox.
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Yeah yeah? Or what is it? Is it? What the heck are?
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There's things called the Oh no,
they're what the heck are they called?
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They're considered more feeline than dog,
but they look like dogs. Hyenas.
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Yeah, hyenas. Oh, here
you go. Let me show you
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guys this, uh share screen secrets
from Beyond Extinction. The Tasmanian tiger was
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a kangaroo in wolf's clothing. That
genetic luprint provides crucial new information on the
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biology of this unique marsupial and how
the Tasmanian tiger or Thylacene evolved to look
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so similar to the dingo despite being
distantly very distantly related. It shows that
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the thilacene had poor genetic health before
it was hunted to extinction in nineteen thirty
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six, which may have helped other
threatened species like the Tasmanian devil. Where's
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it at? Here was a marsupial, which are mammals with a pouch.
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The genome obtained from the best preserved
Thilocenes specimens in the world, one hundred
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and six year old pouch young held
in Museums or Victoria's collection. Research team
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us cutting edge techniques to extract the
DNA and sequence the genome allowed us to
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confirm the Thilacene's placed on the evolutionary
tree. The Taismanian tiger belongs in the
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sister lineage to dasy Uridae family,
which includes the Tasmanian devil and the dunart.
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Also importantly, the genome has revealed
poor genetic health, a low genetic
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diversity at the Thila scene experienced before
it was over hunted. Where the hell
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is it here? I'm trying to
scam because I'm like, man, this
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is a long article. I don't
read the whole thing. Yeah, very
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similar skull shape to the red fox
or gray wolf. H I don't know.
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I mean, it's like they use
that, they put it in a
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headline, and they never talked about
it. It's weird, weird. Who
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the hell does that? Who does
that? Ship? Assholes? I'd cancel
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them guys. Oh god, maybe
we should do that. Maybe we should
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say the thylacine is related, this
related to Bigfoot. Oh my god,
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I'm I'm digging through animal hybrids that
actually exist, and I think i've the
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possibly the most terrifying one, which
one a groller. What is that half
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grizzly bear, half polar bear.
Oh yeah, yeah, this is actually
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a naturally occurring hybrid too. They're
also named Pisley, which I don't think
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that sounds as aggressive or terrifying.
Ye, don't call something pisley and expect
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people to not walk up and try
to take selfies with it. So I
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know, with like the Ligers,
there's something that happens in the DNA when
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they when they're when they create offspring, That there's like growth inhibitors that stop
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animals from reaching a certain side.
Yeah, and that that thing's on vacation
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with those animals, and that's why
those things are stupid huge, like absolutely
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enormous. I really hope that that
isn't the case with rollers. Oh God,
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Oh yeah, this fuck guy piste
that cop love it. So you guys
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are tuning in at the right time. We were discussing U the Thila scene.
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For those of you are swine taste
many tiger Well, they do that.
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I don't know, ain't They kind
of like feedline. They're more they're
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more supial, they're more supial,
but they're ever very candid. Yeah,
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I love well, then you're this
is the right episode for you though,
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because we're making more soup heal than
people. We just lost the thousands of
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scribers. Was just tanked. They're
like, I can't handle this pun no,
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no, hey, we gotta to
this discussion in our in our our
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little secret text group that we share
about the Thyla scene. And it's interesting
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because technically the Thylacene is a is
considered an extinct creature that slipped back into
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cryptid creature. And then information came
about later saying that when we thought they
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went extinct was actually way off too. We thought that the last one was
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like in the nineteen thirties, right, nineteen thirty three or something like that,
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the Bronze Zoo or that was a
different one. What that. Yeah,
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I've got a I've got a footage
of it. Uh, it's a
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here. I'll show you guys real
quick. You're not familiar with the la
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scene out there? Uh yeah,
Tasmanian tiger in color. Check this guy
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out Let me max that out here
there he is. Look at that pretty
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wild hyena. It's amazing to me
that I know that that's a real animal,
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but how fake it looks. Yeah, they've restored the footage too.
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I don't know what that entails,
but yeah, it's so weird because the
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way the like the skull, like
the mouth and jaw, it looks fake.
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Yeah, like look at that.
Yeah. Oh, wild Go Strong.
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It's necklace. Yeah, it listens
the metal. Yeah, I like.
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I like that he's got like half
tiger stripes. Yeah, he's kind
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of like all I gotta do is
stick my ass out a little bit and
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I just disappear. Yeah yeah,
I like that. So we were discussing
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that apparently it was what was it
a Joe Rogan episode, they brought up
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that some chupacabra sightings were attributed to
the possibility of the Tasmanian tiger maybe maybe
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surviving. I'm just gonna loop this. Yeah, So the the episode in
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question, the guy on there stated
that there was apparently documented proof of a
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shipwreck that crashed into the shore that
was on its way to the Bronx Zoo,
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and all of the animals escaped,
including a breeding pair of Thilist scene.
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This was in the early nineteen hundreds, and apparently shortly thereafter is when
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the troop of cabra siding started happening
in the Northeast. So, to be
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fair with this, I haven't been
able to find anything there's documented proof of
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a shipwreck even happening carrying any animals
to the bron Zoo. But yeah,
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like I said before, government,
you know, Yeah, they're pretty good
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at just doing dumb shit like covering
stuff up, you know. Yeah.
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So I don't. I don't know
how much truth there is to it,
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if it happened or not. I
do know that the Bronx Zoo did have
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Tasmanian tigers at one point. It's
it's interesting I was saying before, because
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before we started recording, Tyler and
said, like, you know, basically,
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are you guys saying that this is
the chio of Cabra, And uh,
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I don't. I mean, I
don't know if anybody can like they
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you know, this is the cheop
of Cabra with one certainty. But I
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mean, what what I brought up
earlier is like the reason these things were
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haunted to extinction in the first place
was, you know, they were killing
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livestock. They killed goats and sheep, and I know, from what I
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understand, they did more damage to
the sheep populations than did the goats.
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parallel. In my mind, that's a
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parallel. It's like it's a goat
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yeah. And if you saw that
in the middle of the night,
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it would it would be startling,
especially in the United States. Yeah,
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because it's like a dog, but
it's not. It's like it's like it
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lives in the Uncanny Valley of K
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here's you one from uh twenty twenty. Yeah, I don't know, I
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don't know. Let's say about that. No, that's a Tasmanian tiger spotted.
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That's what they're claiming. Uh,
things that it does not say.
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Oh well, uh, I wonder
if the person's driving or not. I
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don't know, because he's in the
he's on the right hand side of the
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vehicle. Yeah, it could be
flipped two. Yeah, but it flipped
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wouldn't be handicapped signs be backwards.
Oh yeah, I don't know, fellas,
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that's yeah. I mean if if
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that's close enough for my The rigid, like the rigidity of the tail is
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what's getting me because the other video
when it was walking back and forth,
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a tail it doesn't like wag and
flop like a dog or even a cat,
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you know what I mean. It's
almost pretty Yeah. I mean,
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I know people fake shit all the
time, so I mean there's always that
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possibility. But I kind of come
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the time as this, what's the
fucking point? Right? You know what
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I mean? What would be a
point? Clicks? It's about it some
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dude sitting in a basement like,
man, I'm gonna fake a Thila scene
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siding right. I can't help it. I'm just like really league, like
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there's is there is there someone out
there that's like that passionate. But I
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mean I guess there is because there's
fuckers on YouTube, you know, and
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gorilla suits, you know, someone
bigfoot sightings. So I don't know.
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I what I read was recent.
Recent research has shown that the Thylas scene
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actually survived a lot longer than they
thought. It takes fifty fifty years from
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the last sighting to confirm and move
an animal into the category of extinct,
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and the sightings had to be confirmed, right, It has to be confirmed,
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So you basically need to have the
sighting, and then you have to
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bring an official to basically have their
own sighting. Okay, I'm gonna say
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this right now, that alone is
not enough because if you're if I say,
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okay, so say I go,
I walk outside right now and I
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see a solid white deer, Okay, that's where I live. This is
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a big thing because a solid white
deer was killed here where I live.
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Okay. So say I walk outside
and I say, I've spot a solid
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white deer. Okay, so I
just had a siding. Now I gotta
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go all the way or I gotta
get Josh and Tyler all the way over
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here so they can confirm it.
How do I convince the deer to hang
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out and while they while they're on
their way right, you know what I
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mean. So it's hard for me
to discredit somebody saying, like, dude,
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I think I've seen one of them
things. I think I've seen it.
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I've seen a Thala scene. But
by the time the officials got there,
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there was no Thyala scene to be
seen, so it can't be confirmed.
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Well that's fucking bullshit, because there's
no way that some of the bitch
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is gonna hang out like yeah,
yeah, you go get a few people.
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Man, I'll hang, I'll just
chill here. I know you need
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to confirm me. I got it, man, I'll wait, I'll wait.
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I wasn't I wasn't even going to
touch your sheep. Man, Just
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you know, just say it's not
a not a great system, and so
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some ways like yeah, I can
see like what they like some depict what
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it looks like, so I can
see where people would mistake that. But
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then you get freaking like adaptations like
this, like yeah, it's like,
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so what are people actually seeing like
like that? I would say, I
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don't know. That just looks like
a burnt coyote because if we remember when
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we were watching that video, the
head of a Tasmanian tiger is so unique.
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I don't think you would mistake that. For if you actually killed one,
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I don't think you would mistake the
face. But then we we actually
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got like in our little chat,
uh you guys started talking about what what
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would like would they be able to
start breeding? Like yeah, the the
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two would start like the two breeding
pair that we were Like, they said
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that got released around there, what
would it take it to breed with another
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animal out there? Like like what's
the common like common thing around there?
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Like would would there be like fox
coyotes or something or what what would it
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be able to breed with? You
think? Right, see that that raises
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a major major problem because of their
being a marsupial. Okay, so who
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the fuck knows? You know,
I would imagine that it wouldn't be able
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to because isn't the only American marsupial
apostle. Yeah, I believe, So
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I'm gonna look it up. Okay, I'm going to be a little ignorant
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on this. What classifies a marsupial. I remember, like I know,
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I've been told this, I've read
this, taught this, but I can't
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remember off the top of my head. Okay, So marsupials primarily the most
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the most distinct thing that they have
versus other mammals is that they carry their
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young and a pouch. Oh so
they're like kangaroos. So a kangaroo,
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wallabies, wallabies, possum. You
know, do possums carry in a pouch?
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Yes? Do they? Yeah,
I've never seen it, but yeah,
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and on their back when they get
a little older. But yeah,
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the the the possum is the only
North American marsupials. Okay, I'm just
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saying like this is this is kind
of like linking up a little bit a
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lot of like uh, mistaken sightings
that we're like kind of linking together,
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like, Okay, we now we're
seeing the Tasmanian tiger is technically the Chioper
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cabra, and we've made the assumption
that the dog man is a kangaroo,
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Like, what is up with these
small supials that people cup like if that's
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the case. I'm not saying that
it's it is or isn't, but I'm
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just saying it's like, like this
is another marsupial that's taken that place,
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like that place. Okay. So
one thing that to consider too is the
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way mitochondrial DNA works. All Right, A cross breed between say two different
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species of kangaroo might work. It's
not a guarantee, right, They are
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not as close as say two dog
breeds. Then. The reason being is
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that like say, say like you
crossed ah, you know, a poodle
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with a with a pit bull.
Right, Honestly, you've got a ninety
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five percent chance it's gonna take.
It's gonna work. It's gonna be some
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interesting look at bubbies, but it'll
work. But you see that those both
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trace back to the same or like
originating species. So cross breeding a dog
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technically isn't cross breeding it. Every
time you cross breed a dog, you're
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kind of just putting the original DNA
back together one piece at a time.
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But with with two different marsupials.
You got a bigger problem because they have
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different sets of DNAs that have run
unique from each other. They're not they're
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not coming from the same animal,
you know what I mean. So like
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crossbreeding is possible, it's just very
very slim chances. Is that like kind
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of like the what is it the
donkey or the or the mule? Yeah,
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the mule. The mule is a
cross breed of a donkey and a
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horse, right, I believe so, Yeah, but that doesn't like and
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you say they're actually sterile too,
ain't it. They're sterile once once they
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once they come to size, they
can't be they can't breathe. Is that
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just because that they're not Basically their
DNA is just kind of jacked because there
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are two different types of animals.
Yeah, I mean, it's just something
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something doesn't link up and then and
then you know when they when they go
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to reproduce, something doesn't work out. Like it's the wrong type of you
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know, all the way down to
like the proteins that are the proteins that
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are in the sperm may not be
able to pierce, you know, the
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the egg wall of the female.
You know what I mean, Like it's
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it could be this littlest thing that
stops. Yeah. In a way,
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I've always thought that was like some
part of evolution, that somehow, some
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way that uh like two different species
come together and that's how we got this
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or this and that. I've never
never really dived in that. I remember
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you guys talking about it a long
time ago, about a mule and stuff
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like that. But I was like, I never thought, like I thought
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if there was a chance like it
like in nature, that it happened like
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say a deer made it with a
wolf or something like, is it possible?
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Yeah? So that's oh God,
But there everything I've looked up is
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a resounding new Yeah. Because the
marsupial versus placental is like your key issue.
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Yeah, different different types of reproductive
organs, different reproduction on together.
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The mule itself, I was saying
when I said the proteins in the sperm,
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I wasn't talking about the mule.
The mule can't breed with a horse
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because of a difference in chromosome.
I think mules got like, I'm probably
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wrong on this case. So fact
checkers, you know, do your thing.
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But the horse has like sixty five
and the mule has like sixty four
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or something. It's it's really close
there, but it's not enough to be
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compatible. Well, mules are sterile, that's what I mean. That's why
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they're completely sterile. Yeah, they
can't even breed together there. It's their
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chromosomes do not match. Yeah,
so you can have a male mule and
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a female mule and they will not
breed. Yeah, let's see here.
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Oh, hang on here it is. The reason is is because of the
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DNA. Okay, so no two
mules is going to have the same amount
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of chromosome. Right. A mule
that that comes out with like one extra
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chromosome, he's gonna be more horselike, right, one less, it's gonna
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be more more donkey. Like horses
have sixty four chromosomes. I was close.
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Donkey has sixty two. The mules
typically end up with sixty three.
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Mules can be either male or female. Because of the odd number of chromosomes,
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they cannot reproduce even even with each
other. Yep. And I've actually
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got a friend who keeps gated mules, which is a really interesting mule if
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you've ever seen one. If I
have, that's a big ass mule.
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So a gated mule is a cross
between a Tennessee walker and a donkey.
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Wow. Yeah, and they walk
they walk like a walker. Oh shit,
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Yeah, it's fucking wild. But
could you is there a possibility if
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you could actually like say that,
because this could happen anywhere, Like you
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you breed mules over and over and
over. Is there a possibility that you
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can finally get one to two pair
that have the same DNA basically almost?
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Is there a possibility you come out
like actually like cloning through parental like animal
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husbandry? Well, I mean like
because he was saying that the chromosomes are
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not matching. One had sixty two
the other one, and they say,
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if it's higher, it's more horse
like. If it's lower, it's more
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like. When it's more donkey like, you get what's called a henney.
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He gets familiar with a heney.
Uh, it's they're not popular. Nobody,
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nobody likes hithing. I actually a
couple of years back, saw I
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met a henny that was up for
adoption. And the reason is is because
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she's the horse stallion and a female
donkey, and you get an offspring called
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a heney, right, And the
reason people don't like them is because they're
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fucking assholes. For some reason,
they know that they're a henny and they
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fucking hate it, and they hate
you and they hate everybody, and they're
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just typical bad attitude, Like they
pick on other animals, they go after
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the owner hennis are. Yeah,
but that's that's the example right there.
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But that's what I was trying to
say, is like, if you could
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get something that's like close, like
you actually say that that's your mission to
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the content. Like see if you
could actually get a breeding pair and you
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test the DNA to like and see
it they match, if there's a chance
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that they match, could they breed
if they matched? Yeah you mean mules?
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Yeah, mules, Okay, because
they have sixty three chromosomes. But
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that's what I'm saying. It's like
because it's all it's a it's a jump
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back and forth, right, Yeah, But you notice you notice something that
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the other two animals have that the
that the mule doesn't. Though the horse
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has sixty four, the donkey has
sixty two. They have sixty four matching
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sets of chromosomes, sixty two matching
sets. The mule has one extra chromosome
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just hanging out and it's an odd
number. They can't. They just can't
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produce. They can't reproduce because of
the it's a it's a fuck up in
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DNA, you know what I mean. It's like a it's like a banged
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up blueprint. It just won't work
like it's you gotta have even even sets
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for the blueprint. So you said, notice most animals have even sets of
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chromosomes and the mule doesn't. Yeah, which again kind of lends back to
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the whole. You know, the
troop a Tasmanian cabra. It's like maybe,
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but god, it'd be one in
a million that it meets another animal
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that it's compatible with and the chromosomes. You know, America, what does
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it have to choose from? Apossum? Did you guys know that apossum?
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That said, did you guys know
that ze brass and zonkeys exist? I
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had no idea that you could get
as a as a brass or as or
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a zonkey. I love the brass. I think, oh, zebras a
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donkey male and a zebra Mayor gives
you as a brass, a zebra stallion
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and a donkey Jenny gives you a
zonkey or as a donk. Same same
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issue comes up with these two.
Yeah, uneven chromosome, can't you produce
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so that like could like okay zebras? Could they made with a horse?
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Yeah? Is it the same?
Is it the same thing? Like a
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donkey? They can? Yeah,
but the offspring is still gonna be a
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missile. Okay. That's what I
was saying, is like like are they
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able to continue the lineage? No? You basically get one. You just
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get the one and then you know, you know what they should this uneven
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chromosome thing. You know what it
should have They should have did this with
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is goats. I should have made
it to where goats can't can't keep going.
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Sorry, I'm just I'm aggravated at
the goats right now from breaking shit.
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You can get a source? Yeah, a dourse. Yeah, wouldn't
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it be kind of cold just to
tell people you were out riding your resource?
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Yeah that's pretty wild. Yeah what
a flex? What about a Okay?
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Okay, more okay. We did
say, going back to like previous
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episodes that we've talked about, they
are kangaroos that are loose in North America.
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Yeah, we have aaron kangaroos.
So you feel just like you said
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that there's two different types of kangaroos, they might be able to breed.
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Could there be a chance that these
two far from home animals somehow met and
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had might have a child. I
think the downfall of that idea is one
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is carnivorous and the other is not. Yea, but the other one is
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totally Like, I'm just straight up
saying that fucking kangaroos are dicks. You
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want to hear something about a little
i'd blowing about that very topic is in
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the in the genome of the Tasmanian
tiger. It is actually closely related to
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kangaroos than it is the dingo.
It's much closser relative to kangaroos than it
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is anything else, even though it
looks more like a fox. Yeah,
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that's so weird to me. Yeah, they look like a giant fox.
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Yeah yeah? Or what is it? Is it? What the heck are?
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There's things called the Oh no,
they're what the heck are they called?
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They're considered more feeline than dog,
but they look like dogs. Hyenas.
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Yeah, hyenas. Oh, here
you go. Let me show you
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guys this, uh share screen secrets
from Beyond Extinction. The Tasmanian tiger was
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a kangaroo in wolf's clothing. That
genetic luprint provides crucial new information on the
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biology of this unique marsupial and how
the Tasmanian tiger or Thylacene evolved to look
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so similar to the dingo despite being
distantly very distantly related. It shows that
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the thilacene had poor genetic health before
it was hunted to extinction in nineteen thirty
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six, which may have helped other
threatened species like the Tasmanian devil. Where's
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it at? Here was a marsupial, which are mammals with a pouch.
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The genome obtained from the best preserved
Thilocenes specimens in the world, one hundred
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and six year old pouch young held
in Museums or Victoria's collection. Research team
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us cutting edge techniques to extract the
DNA and sequence the genome allowed us to
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confirm the Thilacene's placed on the evolutionary
tree. The Taismanian tiger belongs in the
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sister lineage to dasy Uridae family,
which includes the Tasmanian devil and the dunart.
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Also importantly, the genome has revealed
poor genetic health, a low genetic
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diversity at the Thila scene experienced before
it was over hunted. Where the hell
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is it here? I'm trying to
scam because I'm like, man, this
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is a long article. I don't
read the whole thing. Yeah, very
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similar skull shape to the red fox
or gray wolf. H I don't know.
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I mean, it's like they use
that, they put it in a
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headline, and they never talked about
it. It's weird, weird. Who
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the hell does that? Who does
that? Ship? Assholes? I'd cancel
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them guys. Oh god, maybe
we should do that. Maybe we should
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say the thylacine is related, this
related to Bigfoot. Oh my god,
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I'm I'm digging through animal hybrids that
actually exist, and I think i've the
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possibly the most terrifying one, which
one a groller. What is that half
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grizzly bear, half polar bear.
Oh yeah, yeah, this is actually
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a naturally occurring hybrid too. They're
also named Pisley, which I don't think
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that sounds as aggressive or terrifying.
Ye, don't call something pisley and expect
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people to not walk up and try
to take selfies with it. So I
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know, with like the Ligers,
there's something that happens in the DNA when
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they when they're when they create offspring, That there's like growth inhibitors that stop
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animals from reaching a certain side.
Yeah, and that that thing's on vacation
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with those animals, and that's why
those things are stupid huge, like absolutely
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enormous. I really hope that that
isn't the case with rollers. Oh God,
