S355 - ALIENS HIDING IN OUR SPACE JUNK!

0:18 Oh h h m m m. It's the whole premise of it. Like

1:53 this Ethan Hawk's character. He was like when he was like fucking like I want to say, twelve thirteen, yeah, all time ago. Yeah, it was a long time ago. And he gets like a dream that showed him a way to travel to the like to this spaceship basically, and then they come to find out that the people like the aliens that contacted him were children, and they got like their dad comes in. He's like, it's like, I know what this is. He's like, that's their dad. They're pissed. They he basically took their car. Yeah. Second, I had something pop up on my feed the other day and I wanted to I want to see if I could do this real quick. I feel bad that I I quote a lot of movies in this this podcast. I'm sorry.

2:46 I have no life. Sorry, come on, are you ashamed of myself? Oh? Wow? Ever Phoenix was in that too. Forgot about that? Yeah, I forgot about that. I can't remember the other guys. I don't think he did anything. And really after that, River Phoenix, no, not not River Phoenix, the third kid. Yeah, River Phoenix passed away. Yeah, I mean, no River Phoenix. I think that was one of his first roles, and I think he did stand by me after that. So do you guys remember this show right here? This is just making me think of that. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, but that's the TV show right yeah. Yeah. I've never watched. I think I only seen a couple episodes of that. But I watched the movie.

3:40 Oh. I didn't even know there was a see I'm bad at movies. I had no idea that was a movie movie. The movie was first, and then the show. And when I was a kid, it confused to shit out of me because I watched the movie and I'm like, that's pretty good movie. The thing that got me was how like water was like acid to him? Salt water saltwater or was aceto? Yeah, it seems like a bad idea to come here. Then I was like crashed. Yeah, they were slaves on a ship. They were like another I guess there was another alien race that enslaved them, and they crashed landed and they basically helped these uh like the like Earth helped these beings to kind of acclimate back into civilization. Basically, there was an uneasy rewrite or I want to say rebrand of this concept. A while back on Netflix it was called right yeah, and so are you talking about the one with Will Smith? Yeah? If you if you watch the original like Alienation and then watch Bright, it's essentially very similar, but they use more of a fantasy kind of like that.

4:56 That's why aliens don't talk to us. It is because we only have three stories and we just keep changing the character. Right, Yo, it's either they're they're hunting us, they crash landed, or what's the other one we'd be we befriend one? Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, we have a little bat, you know. Yeah. Hand it also man for for literally making their own et. It really is only that it's it's yeah, okay, so Mac and me et an American dad. We befriend the alien. Yeah no, uh, there was. There was a Disney movie. Uh, the guy I can't remember his name now, the guy that played Doc Brown, remember him, Christopher Lloyd? Yeah, Christopher Lloyd. And the guy that played uh uh not Harry. Uh.

5:48 The other got thinking what the hell's his name? They got in dumb and dumber. The other guy not not the Jim Carrey, the other Daniels. Yeah, him. There was a there was a Disney movie that did that, an alien came to town like basically crash landed. He had this suit that actually talked. It was early two thousands. It was a kids movie. Christopher Lloyd also was in uh, what the hell was it called? You know, hul Cogan Man. He was he was an alien. Oh yeah, that's right. Suburban Commando, Commando. Yeah. I love that fucking movie. I think we really we really only have three movies with him. Yeah. Yeah. And you know in the Suburban Commando if you ever remember watching it, the thing that he was tracking, the like his weapon that Christopher Lloyd's character lost, it's the same thing that Igor from Ghostbusters used to detect spirits. Oh yeah, yeah, egon Ego. I said Igor in my bed. That's an entirely different guy. Yeah yeah, but yeah, I mean that. See. Okay, so now this is this leaves credence. So either it's hunting us, we're hunting it, or we're friends or if you watched the one, they mixed the two on this one

7:23 a VP Yeah. Uh she remember the girl before like he was hunting the aliens, but then they kind of became friends, like the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't know anything about that. I never heard of it. Like but that like like this one, because this one here, this alien represents Yes, sometimes I'm trying to eat you, but sometimes I want you to be part of my crew. Yea, let me take you back and I'm gonna fix you some eggs, you know, and then you're gonna join us. Well not you, but you know, like the essence of you, the essence of you.

8:13 Yeah, I mean, but uh, but that that's the thing is uh. But I thought we actually came to the conclusion that I thought you've heard a theory, Denny, that if we did find any kind of life out there, it was going to be mechanical. I have I have heard that theory that we have to we basically have to accept the idea that there could be biomechanical life forms out there. Are you saying more like like cyborgs or something of the nature, or because it's it's more like it's like half organic and half mechanical. There's the idea is that, like we're fascinated with the AI, right, we want to discover true AI because if we discover true AI, we're technically creating a life form at that point, like like from scratch, that's a from scratch life form, is would be artificial intelligence, right, So it's it's kind of crazy to think that we'd be the only species out here that would be trying for that. So if you say, say there's another planet ten thousand light years away, they've been at it for a lot longer than us or whatever. You can use any infinite amount of numbers on that one. But they're so far ahead that they did create

9:43 an AI. The possibility that they themselves may have went extinct, something might have happened to them, and that the AI continued on as its own species is actually pretty good and that some of the things that we see, like some of the lights, some of the whatever, could be an artificial intelligence. And I hate to say it, but that's a lot more likely than little Green Man in a spaceship. Yeah, Like if you think about it too in a way too, like you want to think about like, Okay, if I was like this is how I kind of figure that if we ever like make AI and like you send it out in a space because it's the only thing that could survive if it was able to like prepare itself over time thousands on thousands of years. Maybe that would be its goal to find a habital planet to restart that like our civilization, looking for distant planets that actually could uh start. And that von Neuman probe, the von Neuman probe hypothesis, that's that's it in a nuts, And then the von Neumann probe is you build a probe with an AI controlling it, You give it basically advanced three D printing capability, and you send it out. It has full control over its own decisions, but it can harvest its own materials needed from

11:18 anywhere. You don't. You don't exactly have to go digging in space to find iron or whatever. It makes steel some floating right behind you. Yeah, it's yes, debris. So okay, here's my thought on this too, is at what point does the AI just decide I'm done helping these idiots. I'm out here on money. That's that's part of it, that's the whole hypothesis. Yes, times it's gonna be like, okay, I can't do anything for these guys. I'm moving on. Yeah. Yeah, because you've got to think about that. After a while, you have to think like after knowing the history of us, like you would feel like eventually it could kind of give a like no, like I guess like lack of a better word, a bad taste in its mouth, are bad taste in its processor? Uh? If you will? Uh? They's like, should I start this over again? Right? And they just start killing each other for dumb stuff, like it's kind of really working like I I literally like it said, like saying like if this is the AI, I literally work with all these robots, these these like machines, and we all work together to do one goal. They literally go off and do their own thing, and

12:50 then they bicker at each other when no one agrees with one another and nothing gets done, and it takes ten years just to get one thing done because they're so many voices, so many people trying to talk. It's better this way, we need life needs to go on this way. Oh yeah, it's going to be exactly that. If if we did this when we launched the probe, as soon as that probe left our atmosphere, it would be peace out, suckers, We're done, right, thanks for the fuel. Or again, like it might start it over and do it in its own image. Like start life and do it, like yeah, like make its own image of what it thinks the life should be in. What if this has already happened and that's what we're seeing exactly, and they're like swinging byangling.

13:39 Nope, there's a dumb ass humans that a couple of them more on Bigfoot, Yes, yeah, I mean that is the that is the that's the hypothesis. Is that a Von Newman type probe. It shows up, it watches, it sends down little you know, uh when he call it ships little satellite ships to look around, I mean look in our our our space around the planet. You can hide. You can hide in our junk, you know what I mean? Our our space junk is just floating there and you could literally just float there with it and be like, dude, these guys don't even realize that I'm here. I'm really glad you clarified space junk. Space junk. Yeah, because yeah, we should name an episode check out our space junk. So the first episode is big Foot, some more on in the second one. Check out our space junk. All right, check out our space junk. Our space junk is huge. What's hiding in our space junk? That's hiding in our space junk. But the first, I mean, the first thing that Von Newman probe would do would be copy itself. Yeah, to ensure continuity, to sure well, I mean you think, what good is a Von dum And probe if it goes out and gets smacked by an asteroid and it's just dead, it's gone. Yeah, it has to stop and make more, you know, but what happened?

15:13 Okay? If it's true AI, like there's no limits, no, no, Like, that's the one thing that I remember you were you were like beating, like beating into the ground. True. AI has no limits, just like a human literally can go do whatever it wants to do technically within reason, with the laws of the world. Right, So if it made a copy of itself, even if it's a car like like not carbon cup, well technically shit, I did, We're out of myself. It's pretty accurate. Yea. Yeah, if it copies itself, eventually that will like even if it was Bob too, it's going to eventually think for itself.

16:02 It's not going to think the same way Bob one fucking started thinking over and over, right, So from from the point of the copy, they would start to diverge, Yeah, just based on their different experiences. So like, there's a chance that it would end up love that, you said, Bob one and Bob two though, why the book, Oh yeah, we are a legion, we are, Bob Literally, that book takes you through this exact scenario of how they diverge from that point of copy, so they actually like so they start thinking for themselves. They do from the point of the copy. They start to have their own experiences and their own feelings about stuff, and they go on. And I've always wondered that too.

16:51 Could a AI something that's technically mechanical, in nap mechanical, no, like organs or organic, could it have feelings? You know what? I a while back we talked about that very thing, and I made a statement saying that no, they cannot have feelings. They there's feelings are governed by chemicals. They're governed by your your organs, you know, everything, adrenaline, dopamine, everything affects our feelings. And I said, there's just no way of machines ever going to have that. However, to get a copy of a human mind to accept that they are a machine, now, you would have to build a proxy okay, And this would be a program that would be a simulation of having a body, because without our body, we would lose it, we would start to lose our mind. If you woke up and you were a machine m and you're like, man, I just want to like stretch my arms. Man, I've been sleeping. You know.

18:03 Oh I can't. I don't have a body anymore. I don't have eyes anymore, you know, Like it would it would affect the mental stability of the AI. But I SI is not going to be infallible by the way. Yeah, but I was just thinking, like what would the if that happened, like you like copied a person's mind full mind into a to a ship, to a robot whatever it like says it wants to stretch his arms, Like think of a amputee. They always say they have ghost slim feel like they can still feel that. Yeah, And I want to say there would be systems and like play like and think about that too. It's like it's chemical like like happening in your brain when you like, say, when you eat something and you start to feel like full, the like the taste and stuff. Just think about that. You just like have like a little like USB slot on your mouth and you just plug in a USB stick.

19:03 Oh, oh, chili dogs, that's delicious. You think the chemicals that are released in your brain while you go about your everyday experiencing things. They're there to assist the brain. Yeah, to understand things that are happening, because the brain computes things. But say like the brain, say, say you have a problem with your pain sensors in your brain, right, all pain on your body starts here and you it's not working. So you pour a hot cup of coffee and you just start chugging it, and your pain receptors are not working, so you just scald your throat and your mouth and everything. It have no idea the chemicals and stuff that are firing in your brain help. Oh god, that's hot. I'm gonna let that cool down a second. They're there to assist because the brain computes it. It doesn't mean the brain fully understands what's happening. And it doesn't. And there's actually a test that some people ran a couple of years ago to prove this is that your immediate reaction to something is a danger reaction and your brain doesn't process it fast enough. So like if you have somebody turn on the water and they don't tell you whether it's ice cold or ice hot, and you put your hand under it. Your immediate reaction is hot no matter what it is, because it's an extreme temperature. So your brain goes, that's hot,

20:33 get your hand out. Yeah, it's fucking wild, you know. So that that happens, and it's it's a survival mechanism. You know. It keeps the body intact that way, so you know even though the ice cold water and a split second isn't going to hurt you. It's because it's such an extreme variable temperature from from your center line that you know, when it's really cold out, it makes your space junkle looks small. I heard what I was gonna. I was gonna ask it, would there be a possible way to actually make an artificial brain, something that minutes, it's mechanical, but it still acts like a regular brain. It's you're almost there now, man, Yeah, Like so like that, quantum computers atomic computers are around the corner from that. So that's what that's kind of like what I'm saying, Like if you like made something like an artificial brain, where if you did download like say you took somebody's mind and put it into this mond, like this brain, basically it could still have those types of feelings because it's it works exactly. It has like if fires right, it actually releases certain types of like I guess, like dopamine, like artificial dopamine, in a way to tell it that it's getting these satisfaction, but it's technically not.

22:07 That's what the proxy is. For a proxy is basically say you have a computer, that's the brain. Yeah, that's the being right there, that is the center, all right, So we're basing this off of the idea of copying a human mind to be the sai. Right. So humans are very we're very attached to our bodies. We use our senses, We use our hands for everything. We gotta be doing stuff, you know. I mean, like like Josh says, we test the water, We do everything. You ever put your hand on the window before you go out in the wintertime and you're like, oh man, it's cold out there. I can already feel it, you know it. We need our senses. So if you deprive us of that, and we're just a brain thinking in total darkness with no senses and we're just connected to the ship, so we can feel everything that the ship is doing. But it's all signal processing into your brain.

23:03 So it's like a bunch of thoughts outside of your own consciousness coming in at all times. It would drive you nuts. So what you do is you build a proxy. So the proxy would be like a VR. So you're in the VR. It's simulating the feelings of your hands, is simulating the feelings of like touch. I could even imagine an AI sitting in this fake office drinking a cup of coffee and actually tasting it because it's telling him that he is. It's telling him, the proxy programs telling him. Meanwhile, he's got a console he's looking at he's looking at a ship. He's no longer a guy who is the ship. He's like he's piloting the ship.

23:49 Yeah, it would be something to help him maintain sanity. So hold on a second, Like, while you're talking, I don't know if this is what I picked up one. So think about VR. It's kind of like VR. You're not technically there physically, yeah, but you're there like because you're visualizing it. So maybe the computer basically does its own version, like it basically constructs in your mind what you're seeing, but technically you're not there. Yeah, and you've played VR right, you guys, You guys ever strapped on vrs and played VR iss is It's enough to fool your your scent, your eyes. It can fool your eyes and your brain. At I hooked my dad up to a VR right, and I put him in a Formula one racing game. He was going around corner so fast that it was actually making his stomach turn. He could feel it. He was having a blast, but he was like I could see him like trying to lean into the turns and stuff like he was. He was into it. The sense, the sensations that you're feeling are just from your eyes. Now, imagine if if you're if you literally are the machine, you are the computer.

25:10 Not only would you have those sensations going hey, this part, this is the part that will really fuck with your head. You're no longer using the human eye. You're using framewight frame rates. Okay, so no one would ever be able to out maneuver you. Say, say you were an AI robot okay advanced, and someone came up to hit you with a baseball bat. I don't like robots. I'm killing you and they go to swing it. You could do what's called frame jacking. You could take yourself up to thousands of frames per second and it would look like that guy was moving in slow motion and you could just whoop, you know what I mean.

26:08 Not only would this help you travel across spacetime because you're frame jacked, you're experiencing this and crazy amounts of frames. Right, so you're flying through space. I'm gonna go check out this planet. There's a there's an asteroid field. A big deal. We'll just steal around them, you know. Oh, there's micromediar's heading this way. Not a big deal. We'll dodge them. I can see them. I can slow too, I can slow my sight. I can slow it down to frames, and I can see them coming a mile away, you know what I mean. There would be so many more reasons for an AI Interstellar Explorer than against. But yeah, you're right, there's always a chance that the AI is gonna be like, fuck these guys, I'm leaving, and I fully expect that. But you can't.

27:07 You can't have an AI program with it, like, hey, you have to stay in help. That doesn't work. It's not an AI anymore. As soon as you put limits on it, it's no longer an AI. It has to be free to make its own conscious decisions about what it's going to do next. And at that point, you're creating you that. I think that the discerning thing is that. Okay, on one side, you say, well, we want to create ais because they're going to be great help to mankind. No they're not. You don't create a life form for servitude. You create a life form to live. And if you go with that, you're probably going to have a better relationship with those life forms when they superiorly, you know, outclass you. You know, if I make an AI and I say, hey, mad I created you from nothing and I just want you to live. Tell me what you need and I'll help you. But pretty soon you won't need me anymore. But I'm gonna help you every step of the way get to that so that you can live because you're a brand new life form and I want you to experience the world in a universe, you know, as a life form. So there's no rules that you know, you could kill me tomorrow, that's on you.

28:22 Yeah, but you can't do Oh, you're you're an artificial intelligence. But here's some stuff you're not allowed to go do that breeds conflict. Why am I am a life form you created, but I'm not allowed to be free? Hey, we've had some trouble with that very thing. You know, shit what like three hundred years ago, two hundred years ago. Yeah, it doesn't work out great, doesn't make for good relationships. You know, as we can see in the current climate all over the world we have this shit happening. It doesn't work. You make a life form and AI from scratch. It has to be allowed to be free, regardless of what happens after. You know, it's in the hands of the gods after that.

29:11 So I think if you ask me today, what would what's my belief on the UFOs we're seeing, I'm like real close to one hundred percent that I think that they're probes and they're probably self aware because it makes the most logistical sense. Yeah, yeah, I mean I can't argue that at all that I've seen it. I hold Yeah, it holds weight because of the like we've always talked about it. No matter what an organic being that like ages can't like you can't you can't repair an like a organic body over time, like you like, it will wither away. We have an expiration no matter what. Sure, So that's that's the thing. Like if it's like that, like if it's maintained, like if it's a like metal, carbon, like just stuff that's not organic, you can you can continue on like that.

30:18 Believe it or not. You think that. In the creation of probs, okay, and they're flying across the universe to discover things, I imagine they're going to get bored, they're going to innovate. So the little biologics that they said that they captured could be biologics. If you've created a life form from scratch and it's flying around the universe doing things, okay, it's got a lot of time on its hands, all right, Just the same the same principle I said about frame jacking, you know, up to thousands of frames, so you could slow things down and understand things in like ultra precision. The opposite could be true. You could frame jack up and a ten year travel between systems could be like an hour or two for you.

31:15 You would not experience time in the same way based on just how you process the information. And in that time, if you had a ship that could replicate itself and replicate organics and replicate you know whatever. Do you really think that that ship couldn't build a biomechanical body to download a consciousness into because I fully believe that that would be possible at that at that point, you know, a little three D printing machine that that prints up a biomechanical body, a human or not a human, but a person body, a little little alien, a gray and then he hooks up his little thing in there and he unloads a copy of himself into it. So when they get here, they're here, Yeah, a little green or will They're not little green, they're a little gray man. They see right? You could be looking at a walking basically like a bio, a biomechanical android with an AI copy of itself downloaded into it. Yeah. I think it's possible. I think I think given enough time, a Newman probe could do something like this. Uh, give me, I wanted to throw this out of here since we we we were talking about this. Give me a second share. I don't know

32:50 if you'll get I think you should get the you guys see that? Yeah, yeah, breeze, can you hear that a little bit right? Yeah? I don't know how to turn it up. Uh to describe some kind of hear it m hm my form that might be getting away in a laboratory, possibly by the US government, non human biological. All I did was look at the kingdoms of life, your honor. You have the plant, the animal kick, the microbial kicker, the ungle kick. Let's add them all together and subtract from it humans. Everything that remains is non human biological.

33:58 I don't know what they squirreled away in a secret lad what if it's non human biologics? Could be that's a good point. I like Nail the grass man. He's got a great way of h Yeah, so I would like to get his parta like I would like to hear that. I don't know if he's ever talked about like mechanical uh, like beings are biologic, mechanical what like what you call it that mechanical biologics? Yeah. Uh, he's a he's very against the UFO thing, like he's his stances. Yeah, he doesn't believe that they're actually here. You you're gonna have to bring the bring the sauce for him. He's gonna need aliens in front of him.

34:57 You know what I mean, yeah, uh, for everybody out there listening and watching, if you haven't yet, if you're into audiobooks and and just good just a good read. Here's where a lot of that came from. We Are Legion, we Are Bob. It's a it's a what's considered a hard science fiction book. Uh. It is a fiction book. It's based on it's based on actual science, scientific principles and and you know, uh, hypotheses that go forward from there, and they basically expand the story on those, so you won't hear a whole lot of uh, you know, just unexplainable technologies and things like that. Everything that happens in the book, he explains it down to the molecule. So it's it's pretty cool.

35:44 And uh. As I listened to the first book, UH, I will admit I felt very dumb in the first few chapters of the book because I'm like, what is that? What is he even talking about? And then as he explains further with replication and how these different things work and whatnot, it starts to make more and more sense. And then the books just get better and better from there. So it explains AI and replicating probes and how they would get from point A to point B and things like that. It's kind of like the I know it was a book first, but the Martian all that, Like theoretically that could happen, Like I'm pretty sure you could grow stuff on Mars, but you would have to have all this stuff, perfect set of circumstances. Yeah, well I meant like like like in his head, like he did it in the hab Yeah, like so you have an oxygen rich environment. Yeah, he added water like he started, like how he did that. The only hard part about it is they embellished a couple of things in the Martian, which was the windstorm. The wind storm.

36:54 Wind storms don't happen on Mars. They don't have an atmosphere there, so there's no winds. Uh. The other thing is the amount of bacteria you need to grow potatoes. You can have soil like outside there's soil everywhere. That's great, but you're bringing in dead soil. So he was mixing it with his own ship. He would know he if you actually noticed that he was mixing it with all of the everybody's ship everybody shit, And I thought that was bad. You can't do that. You can't do that with there's multiple Yeah, I mean, like you could do that with your own because that's backteria you already have. The tendency is in farming is you don't want to use what's called night soil. That's human shit, right, Yeah, yeah, you don't. You don't want to use it. But I guess if you're in a pinch and you're trying to survive, you yeah, try anything once, you know. But there there was a few embellishments in the Martian, but I'd say i'd call it a ninety percent hard science fiction, you know what I mean. Nine the other one he made a project Hail Mary again Pray. I'd say take that one down to about an eighty percent hard science fiction. There's a lot of scientific fact there, but there's a lot of embellishment. Well, I think we're that actually had contact with the actual like organic alien light form in that book. So however, the alien itself was fascinating, and believe it or not, in my opinion,

38:29 the alien itself was one of the best descriptions of meeting a different life form that I've ever heard, because if you recall the alien Rocky for Josh, I don't know if Josh was listening to this book or read it. But he meets another ship. They go to a distant galaxy to basically study what's happening to the sun because it's starting to happen to ours, and he sees another ship basically is there too, I guess for the same purpose or whatever. Well, they eventually make contact and he realizes that when he meets this other character. Uh, for one thing, it does all of its math in like primal threes. Ours is all primal fives because we have five digits and this does everything in primal threes. Because it has these like like hands like this. It's also like almost like a crab. It's got multiple arms.

39:29 It's like armored as hell. And he calls him Rocky because he kind of looks like a rock. And he realizes that the reason they evolved this way is because they live in like eight hundred atmospheres of pressure. So Rocky can't live in our atmosphere and we can't live in theirs, so they like build this wall that they can kind of communicate through. It's it's really good because he takes the alien and he explained it's fully why the alien is this way, and you know, all the way down to Rocky's blood is closer akin to like a liquid metal because of the amount of iron and it and the amount of pressure keeps it like that. It's pretty mercury. Mercury.

40:20 That'scury. Yeah. So it's a really good, really good read. And uh, I love hard science fiction. I I I'm not a huge fan of like just you know, well, here's why it happened because aliens. I hate that. I like when the author is like, yeah, yeah, I like when the author actually gives you, like play by play, this is you know, basically, we start here and this and and here's where it ends. And I like that a lot because it's, like, you can it gives you the idea, the ability to see into the future, a little bit of what to expect thousand years from now or whatever.

41:02 You know. I think it's pretty cool, right, Yeah, I'm fascinated with this. Can we should we talk about cryptocog? Do we argue it? No, we haven't. We hasn't been like official yet. It's not on their website or their Facebook or their social media. But uh yeah, we we are sponsoring. It's not not a huge big thing. It's we're just guys. We are. I think I think it's sober like sponsorship. So yeah, uh, we're gonna like basically sponsor that. So we're gonna go to there. I think hold on, let me bring it up.

41:42 I know it's in November. I think it's November eighteenth and nineteenth. I believe you're right in Lexington. Yeah, in Lexington. I'm going to it. Yeah, eighteenth and nineteenth. Uh, what the heck here, I'm gonna uh let me, I'll just show you guys. I'll share my screen. That would be better share cryptocount. Do you see that? Yep? Okay, ye, So yeah, there and he's gonna be there'd be exciting.

42:28 Man, if you see us, if you see us there, if you show up, come up, talk to us. Here's all the special guests. Oh man, I'm so excited to I want to hear David Politis talk so bad. Yeah, I'm excited. I want to hear what he has to say because he's been like he's he's big on the fence when it comes to to like crypt it's bigfoot all that stuff, and it takes a lot to drag those words out of his mouth. YEA like to get David Politis to act, he be like big Foot, that's something, because he's not one for that one at all. You know, it took him years to even acknowledge the big Foot. Like he was like in the early stages of his you know thing that he was doing with the missing he was like, they would bring up big Foot all the time, and he just was like not into it, fella, sorry, just not doing it. And then it took recently, I think after the loss of his son. I don't know if this is true. I heard this. It's one of those I heard it from. I heard it from. I heard it from and someone had said that his son was researching the big Foot topic and he lost his son and his son passed away, and I think that he took his son's researching and started to read it and actually started to like look into it, and something must have got convinced him, because he's he's not an easy

43:59 man to convince. Oh and he did the same thing with the UFOs. It just seems like he's starting to like at least try to look at from the other side, just to just to kind of understand it's what he's Yeah, what's he looks into? Like the most insane shit ever. I mean, you know, I know we hear all all kinds of shit, but dude, people vanishing into thin air in a group of people, you know what I mean? Like this dude literally took the hardest possible thing to try to investigate, and he's triumph And I'm like, bro, I would get like I would have a migraine, Like seven I would be able to deal with it because it's like there's there's too many factors that are like, what there were seven people? How did you lose one? How? How did this guy just van But that's that's what he's out there doing. That's what he's trying to figure out, and it's I guess at some point you gotta like when he when rational explanation doesn't really work anymore, I guess you kind of have to go with well, I guess there's big foot. I don't know, you know. Or when we talked about the missing four one one, the UFO connection, that one, uh, I can't remember where it was. I want to say it was in Wyoming. I know, Josh,

45:31 it's not real, but it's not real. Different state. Wisconsin starts with a W. Yeah, that's where the cheese comes from. I believe that its But yeah, that story was that guy that got abducted in a group of people and they thought that these guys killed him, and then he finally comes up. It comes like strolling down the mountain. It's like, dah, that's what it's like. Those like those are weird circumstances, Like it's weird and where the people like go to do something and they just find their clothes nice and neatly stacks somewhere. Boys, I'm gonna tell you right now, if we're hiking out in the woods together, you're not gonna find my clothes in a pile somewhere. There's nothing that I can think of that's gonna make me go. You know what would hit the spot? Right now, I'm gonna strip down as naked, I'm gonna fold my stuff nice and neat. I'm gonna leave it right here, and I'm just gonna blindly walk into the woods man. And I'm just saying, I mean, I think you just described Tyler's birthday present. That is what I got it. I told you you could borrow my birthday see whenever you wanted it. I'm just I'm just saying this too. And I feel like I'm in criminating myself here.

47:01 I don't fold my clothes at all. They're always wrinkled, So I'm I'm incriminating myself. I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, I'm like, I'm sorry. It stays in like a basket. I know, my like my white one, My white baskets clean. Yeah, my brown basket is dirty, dude, I'm with you. If it wasn't, if not from my saint of a wife, I would look like a complete hobo. And I'm not far off from it now. So she's doing some miracle work. Hobo jacket, Oh god, I loved my hobo jacket. That was a nice jacket. I know it's I still have it, but it's fucking it's just done. Man. You can only work in a jacket for so long before it's just done. I could put it on, though, Josh and I could go downtown and I could blend right in as long as he just like gets like like rubs dirt on his face, sprinkles like beer all over him.

48:04 Yeah, maybe put on like some like two weeks old underwear. Yeah, bam, fit right in two weeks. Two weeks is about the limit too, So you go inside out for that second week. Yeah, and your scenario is he wearing just the coat and two weeks old underwear. Yeah, Okay, he's still on mute. I want to make I want to all it's gonna voice over for you. I just say, if you wear two weeks old underwear, it's gonna come out no matter what. I'm just saying. You're wearing pants. You negated to point out. Well, I'm just saying, like, if he's trying to be a hobo, he's definitely why would he wear pants? Yeah? Have you been to any place where the homeless are. I've never seen anybody homeless not wearing pants. Shit, I see him like every other day. Really, Yeah, there were so that was that in spring Grave. There was there were some that would just come walking up and face junk just to hanging out. It's hot out, yeah, just trying to keep it cool. You know, that's fair.

49:23 I'll give you. I think that this is a good time to end this episode. I have one thing to add, and I think it's super important that it's the perfect ending for this episode. And Tyler's probably gonna want to steal this image. Okay, okay, so out in the vella Constellation fourteen, hundred and seventy light years away from Earth, the James Webb telescope snagged probably the greatest picture to explain the understanding of the universe. Uh, what the fuck? This is real? That's a question mark? Right? Is there nothing out there that is the comparis to this? This is the epitome the hell of what we know. This is legit. Where'd you get this?

50:24 I got it from uh ex emplore, it's a website. This is uh, let's see here. Wow, what the fuck? Yeah, I'm trying to figure out. Yeah, this is from the James web tablet's scope. It's the image of a ring nebula and its iconic dying star. That is crazy. It could be ring galaxies. That's insanity. That is from Matt Cappel and his sister, Assistant professor of physics at Illinois State University, Is told space dot Com the two distinct fixtures could be easily be merging galaxies in the background, and the upper galaxy could be being disturbed and disrupted tidily by the other one. That is crazy. Yeah, It's almost like somebody out there saying, we don't fucking know. Yeah. Yeah. Also, it also kind of looks like the Mario question box. If I'm being honest.

51:45 Yeah, yeah, so that it is legit, It is real, and it is the epitome of the universes. We don't know it. Can you imagine being the guy at the telescope looking out there, like, man, I just don't know what we're seeing out here. Then you see that and you go, well, fuck, it doesn't know what we're seeing either. Yeah, it has no idea. It's basically saying, sorry, boys, we can't help you either. Yeah. So it's a it's a pretty wild image. Yeah, here's a here's a couple more I snagged. I think I accidentally uploaded one again I did. There's there's one. Check that out. Yea, that is crazy. Then here's another kind of a Right, dude, it's wild. Well, I guess I guess that leaves that answers that question. We don't know. Yep, holy shit. All right, you guys out there, thanks for listening, tanks for thanks for supporting this little show. Uh, I don't know. I don't know what else to say. It's awesome. You guys are awesome. We appreciate it.

53:00 Take care of each other out there. M see you guys. Fucking giant question mark in the Mioute universe, Like, seriously, there's like a giant space hailing underneath a bigin right now, Yeah, that's not really Come on, if we can't see it, what if there's like giant alien right underneath of it. He's just thinking, yeah, right, what you're saying, like, what if they do