S352 - Congressional hearing on UAPS (UFOS) - Continued

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0:46 And who receives you know, who receives it? Right? Welcome back as to your Kentucky x Files. Oh who oh that was a gentle owl. It was trying to grow easy today. Yeah, well we're back. We're back this Sunday morning, early after being fucking roasted alive for the last five days. Yeah, that shit, it's rough man rough. That is rough rough rough. Josh has got something going on there. Ship's moving around in the studio on its own. Yeah. Like you can't make this up, I swear. Let what we seeing the cord that TI uses to plug his base into, you know how it's looped up on the the mic stand here. Yeah, we just started falling down very slowly. I'm gonna call my attention because it's something something fucking moving and yeah it shouldn't be moving, Okay. Spookiness, yeah, spookiness in the studio yeah, oh man.

2:08 So yeah, I'll say before we hit record, I got a little bit more information about the congressional hearing on the UAP phenomena, and uh, like I was asking these guys before was I didn't know if I kept accidentally calling it disclosure or not, But it's not. The disclosure was an absolute joke. This congressional hearing is kind of a kind of addressing that. Yeah. Yeah, they did in the first one they were We had watched part of it where he was like, um, you know, even though this stuff is public, it seems like sometimes it's very difficult for the public to get this. Yeah. Yeah, it's like we we there and looked at it on the show and it was like black line, black line, black line, black line. If that's a one. Yeah, you know, you know what I mean, Like I searched for days trying to find this disclosure documents and I don't even think I found the right ones. I have no idea, you know, you know what I mean, Like it's it was for something that was supposed to be public knowledge, it was near impossible to get. Yeah, and I hate that. Man. It's like, if you're going to disclose it, maybe easy, you know, yeah, like disclose it yeah, yeah, yeah, Like you know, it's like I say it, like, uh, I'm gonna say you this information, Yeah,

3:40 did you see it? Right? It's here, right, you know, it'll be quick. We are in the age of information. But the problem is is that all of our information is an easter egg hunt. Yeah you know what I mean, Like we absolutely it's with everything these days, like actual information, getting the true information is near impossible. You have to work way too hard. And I don't I don't agree with that. I don't think it should be like that, right, And like, let's talk about Easter Like who thought of that? I was pissed when I was a kid. And I'm like, you're making me run around out here trying to find this tiny piece of candy. Just give me the candy. Gah, come on. Yeah, Santa Claus puts it on an easy location. I think he's an alien. I see that. Yeah, I did notice that.

4:34 Could Santa Claus be an alien? Possibly? Yeah? I know. The other night when we were jamming, I brought up that there is a there is a theory out there that even places God as an alien, like the all creative Force possibly could have been an alien, may not have survived the creation though, Yeah, you got you gotta cause a bunch of hell that make physics happen in a dead universe, you know. Yeah, chances of survival is very, very slim. I don't know. We'll say that for some some other time though. Holy crap, that's that's it's a mind Uh wow, it's a mind something I definitely would love to get into it because we had somewhat of a decent conversation with each other. Well, I mean we could. We could make three episodes out of it. It would be Denny explaining the theory, and then us on the second episode trying to get him to explain it again so we understand it. Yeah, so I was getting can you repeat that all assuming that I ain't even understood what I was trying to explain, right, And then the third episode we could actually discuss the content of the first two episodes. Yeah, we could react.

5:57 Yeah. Yeah, anybody out there that if you're interested in that, check out the Fine Tune Fine Tuning theory and check out the I think it's like the dead multiverse theory or I don't know, but the two are pretty closely linked. Mind blowing stuff. A lot of people who are devoutly religious are definitely gonna love these theories because they they sort of do kind of make room for something kicking off everything. The only downside is that that's pretty much the end of where they play along, right, They don't really they don't really support an ongoing creator. It supports that somebody way back then may have kicked it off, but the chances of them making it through it are very slim's.

6:57 It's wild, though, It's really wild, and I'm probably getting it wrong. So go read it for yourself and comment. Let us know if you find something like good reading on it or something, because I'm I'm very very interested in that subject. Yeah, oh, should we talk? Should we tell them about little Lexington? Should we tell them about that? He? Should we tell him about it? I mean, I like, we haven't got confirmation. But they they took well, they took her money, Okay, so what Well, let's see, as of right now, there is a solid fifty fifty chance that you can come to Lexington and hang out with us. What's the date on it? Do you know, give me one second, I'll get that. It's it's in November, November something, the whole month of November. Yeah, the whole month, not the whole month of November. No, all the days in the month eighteen to the nineteenth of November are hold on, this is twenty two, so we're going back in time. Going back in time checks out. I'm I guess I'm just assuming that that's what the same date, because they don't have the dates currently up. Okay, well, no, no, there it is.

8:24 They just didn't, uh ed did the main page. But it does say the eighteenth and the nineteenth of the twenty twenty three, November eighteenth and nineteen, And I think they really need to know what they're going to in Lexington on these days. Yeah, we're just going to Lexington. Yeah you once you get there, you gotta find us. Yeah. We might be where is Waldo. We might be a Bucky's, we might be as Chicken. Yeah, totally stop. Yeah, I love it. I love the beaver nuggets. I'm not gonna touch that. I'm not gonna touch it. Never had Bucky's bab nuggets. I just like hearing you say it. Yeah, just I guess they're just gonna be uh, I'm sure on the subside the cryptocon apparently the cryptocon so we might go hang out and I know we got some new stickers, we got some stuff. I'm gonna try to, like see if I can wrangle up a few T shirts to take with and if you find us, can't miss us, come up to us. Noah, give me some free ship, Give you some free ship, give you a little smack on the butt, send you on your way until it runs out.

9:43 It runs out. We'll say this. We don't have a booth. I was I wanted us to try to get a booth this year this year, but expensive A shit, yeah it is expensive, but still um it, that's something for next year. Say that when next year, when they're starting to take vendors and boot like people at the Boots, I think we should definitely try to go for that. But hopefully we were able to because we we went ahead and we're sponsoring the actual Cryptocon, Like there's certain levels that you can sponsor and it to kind of help us promote our show and stuff of that nature. And plus I've heard so many good things about this, so I actually heard a lot of good things about the cryptocon Yeah, surprisingly didn't expect all. They some crazy good names on uh like speakers and like, yeah, guests here, they're coming for this year. We got doctor Jeff Meldrum, it's coming. David Politis is going to be there.

10:58 Holy crap. Yeah, so they're gonna So they're gonna have some decent amount. And I like this one, like like we said before, like for it, like the uh, the Smoking Mountain Bigfoot conference was it was awesome, but I like it. It was cool to see it. But I like this one because there's multiple there's not they're not just focusing on one thing. They're not just focusing on the big guy or the big woman, like I like, I don't think we're allowed to see female. No, not that I was just saying. It's like I don't like, I don't mind just black out the screen. Yeah, put a black line over my mouth.

11:50 But yeah, this one, I have a lot more stuff involved, Like you're people probably gonna talk about a big foot and ends the wind to go like just like all that stuff. Man, So like I love that, like because nationally or Champie. Yeah, so I can't redact what I said real quick that should that should take care of it. I mean, the redact, the entire show. I was I couldn't find one, you know, small enough, you know, right, It's like I'm about to tell you some mind blowing shit about some stuff. How's that? Huh?

12:39 I agree with the big Foot convention is fine, but it does seem a little weird for our show, because we're kind of all over the place. Yeah, and just talk about the mysteries of the world, not just one. Yeah, that's just because that's like, that's one big piece of the mysteries of this world. Well you know maybe Yeah. It's like like I was saying in after a ram practice, you know, the Bigfoot stuff is it's more religion now than anything, you know it. I feel like this, but I get that too, But I feel like to lend handed people because they're they're definitely seeing something. No one is gonna like base their life around something like this for decades if they didn't feel it was something was out there or profitable. I get the whole profit, but I'm talking about people that literally have seen something, but they're not making anything off of what they write what they've seen. And I've said it a hundred times in the show.

13:48 I believe that some of these people are actually seeing shit in the woods. I want to know what it is they're seeing. Yeah, you know, because it could be something way different than what we're expecting it to be. Everybody wants to join on the bandwagon and say, like, oh, you heard this, it has to be Bigfoot. Oh it's bigfoot, it's big foot. Let's let's like, let's comment down their scooter, let's take all the information in and then make the assumption. Yeah, that's just like this big foot, right, But you know, the bigfoot stuff. As with religion, all miracles stopped with the advent of a camera. As soon as we started getting cameras in our pockets, all of these fascinating events.

14:39 Yeah, suddenly or just word of mouth, I would I would love to dive into the AI Bigfoot armageddon that's happening as we speak. Yeah, but I feel like it's self it's self evident now. I mean, yeah, AI is here, and I'm sorry, but everything from Kryptos the UFOs from this point forward is going to be much more difficult. Yeah. Yeah, um. I wanted to add this though. My kids are trying their hardest to get me to take them to Point Pleasant for the Moth Being Festival, and I don't know if I'm gonna be able to pull it off. But if for some reason a miracle happens and I can take them to it, um, I don't. I don't know what your guy's availability is. So I didn't want to speak for you on this. But if it comes down where I do go, I will be representing the KYXF and I'll have stuff with me to to talk to people, you know what I mean. So we'll see. As it gets closer, I'll I'll definitely bring it up again.

15:52 But yeah, I want a UFO convention. Yeah, but those are expensive expensive, Holy shit, they're expensive, crazy expensive. I want to believe it's because they, Like I had to talk with someone down and down at the Bigfoot Show. It was like, man, you know you guys, you gotta you gotta hand it to the UFO guys though, like nothing against nothing against anybody. You know, if if you get out there and you research and you're interested in the subject, dude, do it because you never know. You could find something that blows everybody's mind in regards to to the Sasquatch. That'd be great. But I had to admit when you you know, like ninety percent of the time when you talk to people about the subject that's subject in particular, you're like, hey, they're like, oh, I've seen this, and I've seen this, and you're like, oh, man, did you get you get any video of that or whatever?

16:48 No, I didn't get it. The UFO guys start with that, dude, look at this thing I filmed. Dude, look at that. They're like holding it up to you, like look, yeah, you see that. Crazy shit, look at that. And then you're like, and it has to be a drone or something, right, right, but you're not sure. You're like, oh, Jesus, I don't know if it isn't. I watched an episode of Unsolved Mysteries last night before bed and it was an old episode, ye old Robert Stack episode if that tells you like we're going way back. And the episode was about a woman who had lights in the sky happening behind her place and she had eight millimeter film of it, you know what I mean. Like that's yeah, dude, there you go, I mean, yeah, there, yeah, And you can't That's the thing, though, is like you can't say what it is. But at least there's something. Yeah, you know, it's not something. It's not in the woods. It's not you know, it's not a red circle in the tree line. It's lights freaking moving in the sky that are moving in a way that doesn't make any sense. Yeah, and it's night after night after night, you know, all right. I know last episode we started looking at this congressional hearing. I want to get back into that and watch a little bit more of it with you guys, definitely. And so the one big thing I was saying earlier that I heard was, Um, the

18:19 over like, the overlying issue with with the hearing is not disclosure. It has more to do with providing a way for professional pilots and military pilots or I don't know why we distinguished. I mean, in my opinion, they're all professional pilots at that point. Um, I guess you'd say military and commercial. Yeah, Um, if they want to provide a way for those people to be able to log their reports of these things they're seeing, right, And it's literally it's going towards something that I've said for a while is you got to like log this shit because if you can't figure out a pattern to it, you can't make a science of it, and that's what they're trying to do. They want to make a science of this to start understanding.

19:07 So I'm all for this. Yeah, I'm not like, I'm not I'm definitely not going against what Tyler was saying on the last one about the idea of using it as as a method of control, because I think that there's valid points to be made there. I just there's there's a part of it where it's like you could use it for that, And I know there's a lot of people out there who are really behind that, and they call it the big ugly And I do find it odd that they call the theory the big ugly, and then the congressional hearing happens right after it they said that, oh, there's gonna be a big alien thing and they're gonna use this as a way to like implement fear. The thing is, though, is that it having the opposite effect. I don't know if that's a backfire or what. But most people aren't getting afraid, they're getting interested. Most and a lot of people who've seen this weird shit are going so they're finally talking about it, right, Well, hot damn they're finally talk about it, you know, And I think I think that the the idea behind this is at least for the people at the hearing, at the Congressional hearing, the the officials there, it really does seem to me like the heart might be in the right place on this, because they're they seem to be as

20:41 frustrated as most of us. You know, some of the some of the quotes I've heard, some of the things I've said or I've heard them say where they're literally like, you know what, one of one guys say, like, how come we have all this, you know, billions of dollars missing from the Defense Department. He goes, if I sell six hundred dollars worth of stuff on eBay, the i RS calls me that day. He's like, right, but there's you know, all these billions of dollars missing and there's nowhere to show for it. So I'm like, dude, not only is he like kind of showing you his colors, Dude, he's he's going after the biggest nasty is bear there is. Yeah, right off the bat, I guess it's trying to show you, like, dude, I'm gonna I'm not pulling punches today and I like that, and I, you know, honestly feel like, other than like the guys that are working on like human trafficking and stuff, I do feel like this is an important issue to be working towards. Yeah, because we've got fucking lights and the guys that are flying around in ways that we currently don't understand and are absolute most high tech equipment and keep up. Not only lights, we also have objects objects. Yeah, some of this stuff is seen in broad daylight. You know, like, um, the pilot David uh fuck I Camember his last

22:12 name starts an from the nimits. Yeah, that whole incident was in broad daylight. Yeah, you know, like he said, they of course they release the most grainy video they have. They didn't release the radar, you know, yeah, they wouldn't release that, but they really see the grainy, hard to look at media. Yeah. And that was the whole thing where said, like, why why if we have all this evidence, why are you only releasing you know what I mean? Why why hold back? Right? You know, what's the what's the point? Is it just that you want to get you know, get ahead a little bit on the information.

22:57 Maybe I don't know but I got I got the hearing up right right where we left off. You guys want to look at a little bit more of it and see some of these guys have to say, all right, here we go and let's max out this. Hopefully we don't got no ads. Thank you um again, thank you all for your service and for testifying today. I want to just talk about the uapieces relates to what we're seeing in the pilots interaction with UAPs, particularly mister Grays. One of that think concerns that for members of this committee is this idea that pilots there's no system to actually report UAPs and the stigma around pilots and so can you can you just briefly you mentioned that they're you working with thirty pilots right now that have had encounters with UAPs, but you've also, I believe I'm discussed and know of many more pilots. This is just those that you're currently working with.

23:49 Is that correct? Can you expand on that? Certainly? I'll break that down in two ways. First, when we were first experiencing these objects off the Eastern Cboard in the twenty fourteen to twenty fifteen time period, anyone that had upgraded their radar systems, we're seeing these objects. So there was a large number of my colleagues that were detecting these objects off the Eastern Seaboard. They were further correlating that information with the other onboard centers, and many of them also had their own eye sightings as well of these objects. Now, that was our personal, firsthand experience at the time. Since then, as I've engaged this topic, others have reached out to me that shared their experiences, both on the military side as well as a commercial aviation side. On the military aviation side, veterans that have recently got out have shared their stories and have expressed how the objects we were seeing in twenty fourteen twenty fifteen continued all the way to twenty nineteen, twenty twenty and beyond, and so it became a generational issue for naval aviators on the Eastern Seaboard. This was something we were briefing to new students. This is something that was included in the notice to airmen to ensure that there was no accidents. And now with commercial aviators, they are reaching out because they're having somewhat similar experiences as our military brothers and sisters, but they do not have any reporting system that they can send this to. And let me just add to and both to um, mister Fraber as well as mister Grays not having the system for for reporting, UM, would you both agree that is harmful to not just our national security interests, but to understand this phenomenon of what's happening with UAPs. I think

25:21 it's it's a it's a it's actually it's a travesty that we don't have a system to correlate this and actually investigate. You know, So if you took the East Coast, you know, there's there's there's cocial radars out there that monitor our air defense identification zone, so about to two hundred miles they contract these, you know, so when you see him, they could actually go and pull that data and get maneuvering. And instead of just having the airplanes, there's other data sources out there. And I've talked to other government officials on this. So you need a centrally located repository that these reports go to. So if you just stuck it in DD, you wouldn't get anything out of the Intelligence Committee because they have a tendency to not to talk, but if you had a central location with these reports come in not just military but also commercial aviation, because there's a lot of that going on. Especially if you talk to anyone that flies from here to Hawaii over the Pacific, they see odd lights. So I think you need to develop something that allows you a central point to collect the data in order to investigate. Mister Graves, I would concur with everything mister Fraber said. I'll continue to say that the commercial pilots that have reached out to me through Americans for Safe Aerospace are doing so because they don't feel there's another way for them to report the safety issue.

26:26 And I think one of the clear outcomes of this hearing already is that there has to be a safe and transparent reporting process for pilots, both on the commercial side and the military side, to be able to report UAPs in a way that's also transparent but also understands the scope of our natural security interests and what may be classified or not. But I think there has to be some sort of system, and so that's something that's what he just said that that's essentially the point of the whole thing is to come up with a way for these guys to safely report this stuff. And I sent you guys, ever, the uh the PDF of the Preliminary Assessment of an Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon from June twenty five, twenty one. It's the same document that he's talking about earlier. You've had this for over two years. Yeah, this dude, he's been trying to work on this for years now, and it's just been which one the was it the first whistleblower or the other two? It's uh, let me back up, mister Graves. Yeah, oh he's the one that did it. Oh okay, Yeah, he's he's been primarily trying to establish away for these pilots to come forward. M and in doing that, he's he's basically showing what I sent to you guys is this is an

27:56 official notice that goes out, you know what I mean, like like, hey, you're you're going to see this stuff, and this is what we know so far. So that whole assessment is there. Yeah, he says that they even debrief the new students. Yeah on it. You know, that's that says a lot. Now. I tried to get that document, the notice too, Airman document, and the whole website was down. Of course, I don't know if I mean, I don't know what's going on with that, but hopefully apparently you could you could get it. I mean I don't know. But what I like the most, like most of like like so like in a way, I kind of like like this is that Graves He literally did establish like he doesn't know what it is and he's not going to expeculate like what it might like. He only will say is like, if it's something that's not human, we need to know about it.

28:52 If it's a foreign country and we don't know about it, we need to know about it. And like that's kind of like what he is. He has the one guy next to him, God, dang it, what's his name? That guy that had that top Clarence shit. And he even says he was the first big whistleblower in the last couple of months about this, and he says that we have you've seen spacecrafts that we've had that are not of human origin. He's not, like Graves is not just jumping on his bandwagon. He just knows that there's a there could be a link between these two, but he's wanting the least say if it is excuse me if it is like non human origin, Like they're like, yeah, there's definitely a link in some way. So I like, I that's kind of like they're not just doing like what like what a lot of these people in these unexplained phenomenon like they'll just like oh yeah, like they'll oh, okay, he's seen that. To my my experience means it's part of his and we're just going to get together, right yeah. I I that's I hate that.

30:14 It's like, no, just let's take it one step at a time. And I mean for those that aren't caught up. The man David Brush, Uh, he was. He was a previous member of I mean he was an intelligence member of of what do you call it? The Pentagon? So I mean the dude, the dude was privy to a lot of stuff which he does he does get into and um, let's see the other guys. I mean that's the one thing. It's like you've you've had people come forward for years, but never of this caliber. You know. Uh, David Brush retired Air Force. You know, Uh, what have we got here?

31:00 Ryan Graves uh and he was a former I don't know. Ryan Graves is executive director of Americans for Safe Aerospace. Uh. The other one is former commanding Navy officer David Friver Fraver, I'm probably saying that wrong. Yeah, so it's yeah, you got some high caliber guys coming forward. So I just I feel like they like, why would these guys, right, Like, why would they do it? If they didn't, if they weren't passionate about it, why why would they bother? You know, let's let's get back into it a sorry ahead. Oh no, It's kind of like when we talked about that one. Uh, I guess you would say he's a whistleblower, but he was a commanding officer in a military like base where it had nuclear weapons, a nuclear basse. And then they said they sold something flying over the area, but it never like I don't think it ever came into their perimeter. And that's what they said, like if it comes into our airspace, basically light it up. Like that's like I feel like that's the thing when it comes to military things, that's when I start to like get like my interest gets peaked because think about the like just the harm bike just calling nine one one and pranking them right, like you'll get some

32:37 serious shit just as a civilian. But if you're in the military and you pull a prank, you will get like, oh my god, I don't even want to like think about what is going to happen to you because of that. That is like, so like when I hear somebody's like, okay, I need to dig into this because there is a chance, like if they're talking saying that this is not a prank, it's like, come on, like yeah, like it's not. It's not like how we we dive into like the Bigfoot and everybody says it's a suit. Somebody's wearing a suit. Okay, I can, I can, I can bite, But okay, this is military, man. You can't play pranks in the military.

33:22 They don't take jokes very lightly. Yeah. And meanwhile, the whole time this is going on, bab blazars looking at you as if to say that fucking told you so. I was just about to ask that, like when you were saying it's been like this in a while. This is the first time we've had like this kind of a caliper of people, like their credentials are through the roof. It's like, like, what about bab Blazar. I've never understood what was his like position in all of this? Was he just a scientist? That was like say, I don't know if you said it was eighty fifty one or wherever this maybe like that's I never knew what his whole like full title was, Like why what gave him access to all this stuff? That? Interestingly enough, Bob Blizar has not, as far as I know, has not publicly responded to any of this. I know that I know that there's supposed to be plans in the work where he's going to he's eventually going to speak to these officials. I don't know what's going on there, but I really feel like that's a what do you call it?

34:52 A delicate subject for all involved, because although he has, you know, some pretty substantiated claims about UFOs and about extraterrestrials all that stuff, there's a whole other side of his story that is also intertwined in that, which is he basically claims that because of everything that happened, he was deleted, his life was ruined, his finances were drained, his credentials were stripped of him all the way down to his education everything. So I feel like that's that's going to be a touchy subject because if if everything bibble Blazar says is true, somebody of high has a lot of explaining to do, like, hey, you know, why did we why did we decide to ruin this dude's life again? If you're admitting all this shit now, you know what I mean? Because some of what bibble Blazar said, one of these guys that's in this here, their story goes along with it, which is interesting.

36:06 So I'm interested in seeing how that plays out over the next couple of years. You know, how are they going to dance around that subject? You know, they better be cutting Bob some big checks. That's all I can say. If they did that nasty ship to him, deleted him, you know what I mean, stripped dist credentials, basically made him you know whatever, you know what I mean, then he's about to be a martyr, so they better get cut him some big checks. Like here, you know, we're sorry we screwed you over. Here's you know, several hundred million dollars. Go enjoy your life, do don't worry about UFOs anymore. It's kind of like what I'm trying to look up his name, but there's a professor. Was it Harvard or somewhere that was talking about the meteor.

36:59 The Jason comment, Yeah, uh, he's he's trying to like, uh like say that it was a it could have been a spacecraft and stuff like and people with like this is like suicide in all these people's fields to say this stuff. Oh yeah, why would you wait? Like I'm sorry, like you can't, like you can't tell me. Okay, when you're a professor at a very high end college and or like a government official, you're making shitload of money, most people would just turn the other cheek and just like, Okay, I'm getting paid. It's not screwing my money. I'm leaving, right. But if you're literally going to literally commit career suicide, right, like you have to be certain, at least in the nineties because like like shit, like I love like like not saying like this is like like has anything like substantial. I love this show, but I can't say that I'm going to quit my job for it right now because it's not making me money. It's like it's like it's those things like you're literally just going

38:31 to shoot yourself on the foot. Yeah, because of that, Like, but I get it, Like when you're passionate about something. You will try to make people understand at least hear your side of the story. Hell yeah, I get it. Yeah, all right, let's let's dig in a little bit more. Let's hear what's this guys to say, mister Graves, mister Fraber. Yes, the objects that are being seen by commercial pilots are performing maneuvers that are unexplainable to due to our current understanding of our technology and our capabilities as a country. And that applies for the military as well. Yeah, I concur with that we have nothing that can stop in midair and go the other direction, nor do we have anything that can, like in our situation, come down from space, hang out for three hours and go back up. Thank you my last question, and sometimes I know that you have also said some of these answers in the past. We're trying to get them on the public record as well, which is really important. Mister gress.

39:24 Finally, do you believe that our government is in possession of UAPs? Absolutely, based on interviewing over forty witnesses over four years and where I know the exact locations, and those locations were provided to the Inspector General and some of which to the intelligence committees. I actually had the people with the firsthand knowledge provide a protective disclosure to the Inspector General. Thank you, and mister Chairman. I would just say that I think that these questions are important questions and I look forward to being involved in the process to get those answered. I know there'll be a lot of questions from the committee members, so you know if you guys paid attention to but that might have been one of the most important parts of this hearing. Not only does he believe that yes, they're there, but he has the exact locations of where those UAPs are being held. And the follow up just like meeting that they're gonna have I forget what they called it, a skiff, I don't know, um is where they're going to disclose that to Congress And they were given protective protective disclosures for that information. Oh okay, so they wasn't going to do that for publication.

40:35 They can't do that in the public forum because the locations themselves are top secret, but they can they can do a meeting where they turn over that information and then I don't know what the Congress is going to do from there, but I'm excited to find out. Thank you, mister Chairman. Thank you mister Garcia. I would like to have you on my legislation to do just that on the on the reporting um and we'll get together on that. Maybe you can be my post sponsor on that. Mister mister burchet Man, he's a firecrackans Um. Mister Graves, again, i'd like to know, how do you know that these were not our aircraft? Some of the behaviors that we saw in a working area, we would see these objects, didn't.

41:22 They just explain that ye zero air speed over certain pieces of the ground. So what that means? Just like a river, if you throw a bobber in, it's going to float downstream, these objects were staying completely stationary and category four hurricane wins. The same objects would then accelerate to the supersonic speeds one point one one point two mok. And they would do so in very erratic and quick behaviors that we don't I don't have an explanation for. Okay, have you spoken to commercial and military pilots They have seen these off of our east coast. Okay, umster favor, I noticed that um Um in the tik Tak video, Uh it's tik tak like the candy, not TikTok like the Chinese communist. Because my daughter corrected me on that and called me a boomer and say boomer, and I said, no, baby, it's tick to just look it up. And I like So, I like to say today is a day of many First, it's a miracle that we're having this this meeting, and it's also a miracle that my wife has put up with me for nine years. Today today as my anniversary, So I want to tell my wife happy anniversary and that I love her very much.

42:39 Um, as she likes to say this, nine years have been the best two years of her life. So thank you, um, mister Favor. What what astonished you the most about the flight capabilities of these tik tak Very briefly, the performance, absolute performance. It was. And you're not aware of any other objects that anybody in the world has in this world that has those capabilities. No, I think it's far beyond actually our material science that we currently possess. Are you aware of any other reconnaissance platforms that attract or record of the tic TACs andovers, maybe the Nora AD system or any of the others. I am not okay, mister Grush, Thank you for being here, brother, Thank you all very much. Have you faced any retaliation or reprivals for any of your testimony or anything on these lines. Yeah.

43:37 I have to be careful what I say in detail because there is an open whistle blow or reprisal investigation on my behalf, and I don't want to compromise that investigation by providing anything that may help provide somebody information. But it was very brutal and very unfortunate some of the tactics they used to hurt me, both professionally in person. Going to be quite frank, Yeah, it's very unfortunate. As they say, when you're open the target, that's when they do the most by fire and at you. Do you have any personal knowledge that people have been harmed or injured in efforts to cover up or conceal these extraterrestrial technology? Yes, personally, have you heard anyone been murdered that you would think that you know of or have heard of? I guess I have to be careful asking that question. I directed people with that knowledge to the appropriate authorities, maybe in a if we could get it get in a confidential area of skiff. We could talk about that, but unfortunately we were denied access to the skiff, and that's very unfortunate in this scenario. Um, mister Favor, you believe that you witness an additional object under the water in relation to your encounter, I will say we did not see an object.

44:57 There were something near to cause the white water and we turned around. It was gun so there was something there that obviously moved. Okay, it was. It was not the same object though that you were you were looking at. Correct. No, we actually joked that the tik tak was communicating with something. When we came back and cold because of whitewater disappeared. We were in another instance. We're told about the capabilities of a jamming during viewing and when there were some people chasing some of these objects. Did you were experience any of that jamming or interrupting your radar or weapons system. My crew that launch after we landed, experienced significant jamming to the APG seventy three radar, which was what we had on board, which is a mechanically scan very high end system prior to the APG seventy nine. And yes, it did pretty much everything you could do, range, velocity, aspect and then it hit the lock and the targeting pot has passive. That's what we're able to get the video on. I'm about to run out of time, but are you aware of any of our enemies that have that capability? This brand new swing trains to becoming the most popular gift of twenty twenty three. It eliminates the hassle of up okay. I definitely like note for the record that UM, like George Knapp breaking area fifty one, He's the reason I knew about that, and the reason I know about the tic TACs is UH is Leslie Kane UM from New York Times article, and I wouldcourage everybody to read that.

46:20 George, mister chairman, you back no time. Very good, mister Raskin, thank you, mister chairman. UM, mister Graves, UM, you reported UAP encounters UM during training flights. I think and have since come forward to warn the Pentagon that UH, these encounters may be putting pilots at risk. UM. Did he just get off on motorcycle? The first question is I don't know. UM. You've identified these as taking place on the East coast. Is it just on the East coast? Toward these events initially occurred. I've learned that the objects have been detected essentially where all operations, Navy operations are being conducted across the world, and that's from the Ultimate Anomaly Resolutions Office reporting. Can you describe your experience after you decided to come forward and UM, go public with your experience, he is going diation and chemotherapy Times article come out. Imagine that For me, it was it was special because I recognized the voices on the video. I recognized feel like I'm a video itself. I had seen when it was taken. I see it, and so that was kind of shook me because I realized that this problem was still ongoing, and so I reached out the colleagues back on the East Coast and realized that this was still a safety risk that they were dealing with, that they had essentially hit a wall with how they could move forward on this conversation.

47:50 It was at that point when I decided to try to move the conversation forward myself. UM, are there common characteristics to the UAPs that have been cited by different pilots and can you describe what the convergence of descriptions is. Certainly we were primarily seeing dark gray or black cubes inside of a clear sphere. I'm sorry, dark gray were black cubes, yes, inside of a clear sphere where the apex or tips of the cube we're touching the inside of that sphere. And that was primarily what was being reported when we were able to gain a visual tality of these objects that occurred over almost eight years, and as far as I know, is still occurred. That was actually in the missing So I take it that you're arguing what we need is real transparency and a reporting system so we can get some clarity on what's going on out there, because there are many pilots in your situation, but we should have a way of developing a systematic inventory of all of such encounters. Is that right? Yes, and I think we need both transparency and the reporting.

48:52 We have the reporting, but we need to make sure that information could be promulgated to commercial aviation as well as the rest of the populace. Mister Rush, what about you? What was your experience after you came forward. Well, it's only been in about two months or so, so I guess my experience has been overwhelming support from former colleagues of mine that have, you know, privately messaged me, and I do appreciate that, but I do have knowledge of active, planned reprisal activity against myself and other colleagues, and it's very very upsetting to me coming from where certain senior leadership, that's a previous agent by the best picture that was taken by news publicly. But I can provide details in the closure Los Angeles. Well, I hope you understand that, um, there would be BI partnersh