S327: Alien encounter in Varginha

0:00 With your hosts, Dennis Mays, Tyler Stewart, and Josh Gibbs. Don't forget to subscribe to us on your YouTube, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. You can also visit us at www dot k y x files dot com and now onto our show. There you go. Okay, okay, dinner, Welcome back, guys to your Kentucky x Files. It is Turkey season, isn't it. Tyler? You uh you could? You can definitely tell that you're not feeling good. Oh no, I'm perfect. You look pale. You look very pale. Yeah, that's just that's just a normal me. Are you sure? I guess so, I think you should get out of that cold forest. Yeah, it looks like snow. Oh

1:37 man. So other than Tyler being sick, it's a it's a fun week, very fun week for interesting stuff. Can I uh, I want to be I want to be kind of bold here for a second. Uh, not gonna name drop, Not gonna name drop. Okay. Um. There's several several like guys, content creators out there that are in the business of creating content to prove something exists, and yet they don't want to be under the radar. Or they don't want to be under the microscope. Okay, they don't want their stuff looked at, they don't want it broadcast it to you. You got to think sometimes, folks, that in a way, we've kind of wedged ourselves into this, like we're kind of the buffer between them and you. It's fair it gets to us, we tear it apart or we get mind blown by it, and then we show it to you.

2:59 Yeah, either way, whether it's good or bad. Yeah, and that's kind of fair. That's the campfire you gather around. You know, everybody gets to say their piece. But there's a group out there, a large group that doesn't want you to say your piece. They don't want uh, they definitely don't want us saying our piece, because let's face it, sometimes it's all about creating the content, isn't it right? You guys catching my drift. I'm not, like I said, I'm not dropping any names interesting stuff over the last week. You fans out there that send us stuff to look at of other channels, thank you, and you know what, you can keep doing it. The problem is that we need permission from them other channels to show their stuff. So if you take stuff from their channel and put it and want us to put it on ours. We have to ask permission, and we do regardless of our impersonal stance. But I'm gonna tell you right now that most of them don't want us looking at their stuff.

4:08 That we're the worst possible people to have looking at their stuff. Yeah, because if we can't figure it out, we know a whole bunch of people who can, and we will have it in front of everybody, and pretty soon if there is anything fishy going on, it's gonna come to light. So they have good reason not to want anything said to us. Just remember that when you guys submit stuff to us, do appreciate it, really do. I'm glad to see you're out there being vigilant and you're not just buying into every little thing. You know. You want to get to the bottom of it, same as us. You know, Season one, I went into this with a story that I told you I heard a weird sound. I never saw anything, but I heard a sound like unlike anything I've ever heard before then or since. Okay, ask yourself, have you seen me out knocking on trees and you know, stuff like that? No, I think I'm pretty sure someone on the back part side of the property was messing with me and leaving little bigfooty things out there. I stopped going back there, not because I was afraid bigfoot was going to get me, but because I refuse to take a camera back there just to get you to watch the video. I'm not going to go back there and entertain something that I have a suspicion is kind of fishy. I'm not going to do that just for clicks or downloads or whatever you want to call it. I'm sorry,

5:38 it's not gonna happen. I don't have that kind of ethic in regards to this stuff. But some people want to do that. Yeah, but yeah, I said I heard something one night, like twenty years ago. I heard something I've never heard it says, I did hear something like it on Thinker Thunker's website. Didn't know that he was a bigfoot guy at the time. So we get into it now. I'm interested in bigfoot. I want to know every detail, right, And here we are, two or three years later since we started doing this ship Ye, out of the probably thousands of pieces of evidence, pictures, video, all this stuff, I would say less than half a percent of that has actually made me go, that's interesting. Yeah, I would agree with that. So can I sit here and say it's not real? Now? I don't have anything hard on that, but I don't have anything to say it is completely real either. Well.

6:53 I mean, and it's not our job to to say something doesn't exist. It's anybody who makes the extraordinary claim needs to produce extraordinary evidence. It's their job. That's that's how science works. You can't you can't disprove a negative. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's that's a fact. You can't disprove a negative. If you can't prove something isn't real, Yeah, it's somebody else's job. I prove it is the foundation of all religion, right, Yeah, yeah, I prove it isn't real. So you know right, that's that's exactly. That's why there's so many like spoof religions. That's their excuse to use is what prove it isn't there. Right. But that's the thing with with like I said this, when I when I think when I first joined, because I think Tyler was the first one to ask me if I thought big Foot was real, I said, I want him to be, you know, because how fantastic would that be for the scientific community, if there was an if there was a new primate, I mean that's absolutely that's like poof, you know, a new living primate. You know, we discover you know, new primates, and the fossil records, you know a lot, but it's the living ones. It's gonna make a huge impact, right. Bigfoot's awesome. His fan club sucks. Yeah, it is. It's a fun topic. And I've even had fans approached man and say, when are you guys going to get back to quote making fun of

8:24 big Foot again. I don't think you know, like we joke around about Bigfoot. No, we absolutely made fun of Bigfoot several occasions. Okay, on several occasions we made fun of big I can just say that you two had an entire episode about his penis. Keep in mind, folkes, I wasn't here for that one's so I couldn't wrangle them in. I just want to say that was that was a big fine on. You gotta understand, like, well, I mean, was it a big fun though? Technically like it was right, good size, fine size. But then and what's nice about that video is is we know it's absolutely fake because we we you can look up and find the what is that called the base for It's a model, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's an animation animation model.

9:20 You can find that, and somebody else threw a skin on it, you know, and you could find that in several different locations throughout the world. It's almost as bad as the Missouri River big Foot. That was also the the the Columbia River big Foot. Yeah, the Cumberland big Foot pictures were used. At least who ever made that skin try to be scientifically accurate. You know, outdoor naked primates aren't packing. Yeah, I would be terrible. You get that thing snagged on a thorn bush. Oh, I mean that's why they're out there scraping O. And he's not. He's not like knocking trees to communicate. He's just beating his fist to get his stick.

10:07 Like. Yeah, we said the same thing about this, Just figure this out. Yeah, we had the same thought. I thought, like, the reason why they scream is because they smashed the pinky too. Yeah. I may have an issue, boys, So if I disappear, just know that it wasn't intentional. Always love us. Yeah, I uh, I didn't. I don't think I'm being abducted by um bigfoot right now. But I accidentally clicked the reaper button and it's attempting, it's attempting to be up there, it went. I don't know if you guys can see me or not. Yeah, you just got, you just got. It's just started. I'm just I'm cloaked by a digital audio workstation at the moment.

11:01 Let's hope it doesn't auto play well while he fixes that. All all I was trying to say before was that until extraordinary evidence is produced, it's never gonna you know, it has to be produced, and then it has to go under peer review. And if peer review doesn't happen, there's no science there. Well, I mean, if we can stop it with our educations, then there's no needs for it to even go any further above us, you know, like right. Yeah. However, having said that, if you guys out there may have noticed that we've kind of changed gears a little bit this year, been looking into the aerial phenomenon a lot more. Right, So, these guys here have not heard this story yet. Maybe they might have, I don't know, but not from you. I just came.

11:54 I just came across this story, right, you gotta think like the people might have done shows in episodes on their own podcast about this thing, but you're kind of on this little trip with us, you know what I mean? Like as we discover it, we're talking about it, right all right? So are you guys familiar with Vargina? I guess it's like Virginia, South America. It's in Brazil. Uh is that fermiling to you? Is this? There's this the Brazilian Air Force, the UFO stuff. It probably is. Well, it's it's probably connected, Okay, because did that happen in nineteen ninety six? I believe so? Yes, okay, So separate incidents, okay, but they are linked. I know a little about it. I'm not I wouldn't call myself fluent, all right, subject.

12:58 I just I've only been able to find so much because you know, I don't have a VPN lion Sam somewhere else so I can get all the information that is. That is a trick. I wouldn't recommend doing that at home. But if you got a person who gets a little obsessive about digging up info, nothing's nothing's you know, out of reach. So um, okay, where do I start with this? Okay, because this is this is a there's multiple pieces of this puzzle. Okay, all right, all right, paint the picture for us. Take us back in time. Let's go back to nineteen ninety six. Okay, in the town city of Virginia.

13:46 Uh, during the during the evening one night, people saw a UFO a craft. Okay. They describe this craft as uh this this craft in particular was described as kind of like your your atypical, like a pizza dough, you know, like the flying saucer. Right. Problem with this craft was that it was looking for something and um, at first, people thought it was a joke. They thought it was fake whatever, until the military showed up, the firefighters showed up, the police showed up, all these people showed up, and uh it shut down a city. Okay, the uh the grid went down, like the town. Okay, this this city is I would give it roughly like uh maybe like like a Cincinnati, right, decent sized portions, say you say, like about that size. This is This is not an underdeveloped by any means. This this is a city.

14:56 Right. They got commerce going, they got shops, they got everything. You know, it's a city. It's developed in nineteen ninety six, it was becoming more developed. This happened. There's a ship floating around just above the tree line. It's not way up in the air above the city like like the Las Vegas lights we were talking about earlier. This is in the city, floating above the treetops. Okay, people freaking the fuck out. Right. There's you know, guys driving driving trucks for companies. There's people doing you know, like messenger delivery guys. At one point, there was a food delivery guy who was dropping off meals to a very prestigious house, and then him and the people he was delivering to sit there and watched it.

15:48 That was the incident. Okay, the military comes in, shuts the entire city off, basically shuts them down. Nobody can go anywhere. The foot soldiers come in. The foot soldiers start pouring through the streets. They're not locking it down though. They're looking for something. Okay, what they were looking for was two creatures on foot. Uh. These ladies here, I'm gonna put their picture up. They were they were just little girls when it happened, right. You can kind of see the little picture there in the middle where that shows them little Yeah, they are standing in front of a wall there, and in front of that wall, up against the wall is where the girl in the middle saw this. She was six feet away from him, all right. She yelled for her mom and her sisters.

16:52 They all ran out, and all of them pulled a you know what the fuck is that? You know what I mean, as one would. Yes, The mother went on went on record to say that at first she was afraid, but then she realized that it was afraid and then she said that they just kind of like backed away from it. Right. The smell coming off of it was ammonia, all right, like an ammonia sulfuric kind of smell coming off of this thing. Okay, that's a key point that I don't know if anybody realized it back then. But let me let me go further a little bit here, and I'll tell you why. Um. This is a picture of the soldier that came and grabbed it. He chased it down the street and into some brush where he grabbed the thing and subdued it, right, apparently overpowering it very easily. Right, But when he grabbed it, the smell got worse. Okay, he took it and they put it in the back of this this military truck, like a covered style truck, right, and in that truck they locked it, they locked everything.

18:26 Some soldiers got in with it and they took off right. That soldier was dead in six months. Whatever he came in contact with it shut his immune system down, all right. The six months was bought and paid for by them doing everything they could to keep him alive. He died. He's one of the two people that died that were at that were there that night, okay. The other one I couldn't find it picture of him was a firefighter. The firefighter caught another one of these things on the other side of town.

19:08 All right. He died at the same conditions. His immune system shut down completely. They did an autopsy. Apparently there was someone that went on record saying that they were one of the doctors that performed or not an autopsy. I'm sorry he did. A doctor did X rays on the creature, and he said that usually when he does X rays, he stays until he knows that they've developed, and then he confirms them and then hands them off. But in this case, the x rays were done and then he was like pushed out basically, and then he was basically told that you never saw anything, don't ever talk about this. In fact, these ladies were visited maybe a couple of nights later, and they were interrogated as to whether they had contact with the creature, and they were offered money to never talk about it again. And the lady, the mother, said that it was against her belief to lie or make her daughters look like liars, so she refused the money. But to this day she said that they were Americans, and that was That was kind of the other thing that came up in this this particular thing, is that the entire city of Virginia. All right, when you if you travel there or talk to them, I'll tell the same story

20:38 of what happened. Right, But if you look at if you look at our news, right, if you look at at anything related to this from America, the story is hacked and just edited to hellenback. All right, Apparently there's a man in South America named Eric. I want to say it's it might be Gonzales, but I might be wrong about this, but I know his first name is Eric. But he was one of the soldiers that night that helped hunt the thing down. He actually was there holding a gun on it when the other guy was wrestling it to capture it. Now, this story is incredible to me because there's so many details going on. Like I said, when it first happened, may not have seemed like a big deal, right, but years later looking at it, especially when you can get the actual details from that country, other things start to make sense.

21:47 Ammonia poisoning is a big thing our self, uric. Ammonia poisoning is the worst thing. Guess what it does. Destroys your immune system right, starts with the lungs. We see it in a little bit of a pattern there. Starts with the lungs, affects the breathing, just eats up the whole system. The whole neighborhood smelled like this for weeks. The hospital where the X rays were allegedly taken, that wing was shut down because of the smell. They could no longer service the public there. All Right, So this creature or whatever it was that was brought in there emitted some kind of defense mechanism. I likened it to a poisoned dart frog, right, maybe not related. Probably I doubt it's amphibian, right, If it's emitting ammonia, it's definitely not breathing air, so what can it be breathing? Turns out that ammonia and nitrogen are actually a lot more workable together, right, h uo, In ammonia are only one set of electrons different. I think it was I might be right off of nap. If I am, I'll redect it, thank you, the United States government. Meanwhile, on the eastern

23:18 seaboard, I think the eastern edge of the country, right where the beaches and stuff, we're going. A man on a some kind of a fishing vessel or whatever see some kind of crazy thing flying towards the earth. He tries to snap pictures of it. Some of the pictures are out there. They're not very good because it was moving, so it's kind of blurry. This thing hit the ground and just explodes, right. The people who recovered the scene, a lot of locals went to see what was going on, found large chunks of magnesium. Yeah, chunks of magnesium all right? Have you ever heard of a meteor made out of magnesium before? Kind of rare.

24:12 I'm a little concerned by that one because magnesium burns really well. Yeah, so how were they still there? Um? Well, I don't know. But the magnesium was found in big, like six softball sized chunks, right, like just whatever, and they recovered it. A lot of people took them because they were like, oh, souvenirs of the spaceship. Right. So I got to I got to you know, got to research in a little bit, and I wanted to know, like, well, on a theoretical scale, what would magnesium be good for if you were space travelers, you know one and space. It actually would make an okay fuel, You can get quite a bit of push in space using magnesium. It's not going to blow any minds, but it would get you moving. The other thing is is that magnesium is actually really good at something, all right.

25:15 Magnesium's really good at shielding electromagnetical pulse electromagnets. Electromagnetic fields don't don't really like magnesium, right, It's not immune, but it diffuses it big time. Right. So I thought, well, there's an interesting thing, hey, I mean magnesium. Maybe they were using it for shielding, maybe they were shot down. The other interesting thing in this story, I know there's there's a lot to it, is that shortly thereafter someone showed up to Brazil.

25:59 Can you guess it was us? It was us, So you know, we can't we can't be letting anybody have their own UFO fun. So we show up, the United States Navy shows up and the Air Force and basically go, uh hey, you know, well, we'll go ahead and take this stuff off your hands. So we took everything, apparently, bodies and all. I don't know what happened exactly, but the people of Brazil say that the creatures were alive when they were captured. But after that, nobody knows. All I know is that the man who said that he did the X ray said that the x ray he was doing was a black bag.

26:47 It was in a body bag. So it makes me wonder did we uh did we kill them? Like what happened there? I uh, I have a I have a a little jeff for you from magnesium fire. It's quite a bit of energy. Look how white that flame is. Yeah, yeah, that's um, that's some pretty serious stuff right there. Yeah, that's why I say magnesium burns really well. I have a magnesium firestarter. Yeah that I've used it too. Uh, you know, I've used it before When we went camping and it started raining real bad and everybody had all the way to light the fire. Right That was that was one of the things that made mag wheels so dangerous back in the sixties and seventies. If you got in a car accident, in the car, call on fire or the magnesium wheels would just make it burn way hotter and way faster. Is magnesium almost like thermite or like because I know thermite that will burn through anything.

27:57 I mean, if you told me right now the thermite magnesium was one of the key ingredients, I wouldn't be shocked looking up right now. All right, Yeah, it's a weird it's a weird story, but I will tell you this, there's there's a ton of credibility going on with this one. One. This thing went on for a week before we got to dig our fingers into it and make it go away. Right. The mayor, the current mayor of Brazil, of sorry, of Virginia, Brazil, right was there that night, and he's went on public records saying that it actually happened.

28:41 Now, did Virginia get a lot of horost activity because of this, Not as much as you would hope. You'd almost think that it would turn into like a Brazilian roswell, right about all? They all they got out of it was this guy here. They put this up to commemorate it, that's on display in the middle of the town. And I watched some interviews of people you know, walking the streets just joined life, and they were asking them when they pointed at it, you know, do you believe? And every single person said it happened. You know, there's people going on record that were military, you know, military advisors and military men that career guys that were saying that, Yeah, I don't know what happened after that, but what what happened that night happened. But once we got involved, the story changed. It went from all this happening to they tried to say that it was a homeless guy. Okay, I have a quick injecture here.

29:49 So apparently you need magnesium to be able to light the thermite. The magnesium reactive metals such as magnesium can easily reach temperature sufficiently high for thermite ignition. That used to ignite thermite? Is they burn magnesium? Wow? There you go, tie carry on. Yeah. It went from multiple multiple, I mean upwards of thirty forty different witnesses all going on on record to say what they saw, describing the smells separately. Um. The one thing that was interesting was that there was multiple craft spotted the same day, and those people were miles away, and everybody described there was one saucer that one was in the town. It never crashed, it was it was floating around like it was looking for the two little fellas that were running around. Right.

31:03 The other crafts look like, you know, the like loaf of breadcraft or whatever. Like they were like school buses. They were described as bigger than a smaller bus. And I think two out of three of those was crashed, two of them were recovered, one third Chinese by balloon. Yes, just for quantification for everybody listening right, roughly we would have thirve twenty three balloon through twenty three canoes be like seven and a half canoes. You know, I don't know the conversion. I need we need to make a chart.

31:45 I'd got to see if my math's even rotally close to the What was interesting is that the people on the other side of the country that have that saw one of the crash sites described the same smell ammonium and sulfur. And the fact that the military, the Brazilian military showed up that fucking quickly even shocked them. I mean, these guys were all over it just like that. Yeah, So I don't know, guys like when I look at this, I mean, look at the timelines right, all these different witnesses that have stayed true to their word all the way up till now about what they saw, what they experienced. You got ex military that have come forward admitting to what they saw, that they'd never seen anything like it before. They got the guys that both guys that grabbed the things and we're closest to the things before they were put in bags. Both of them died. No explanation of their death was ever given. The families were not given any reasoning before.

32:51 You know whatever, It's it's crazy, man, but I think that I think that some little dudes visited Brazil that night, but I don't think that was their intention. So this story is completely different than the Brazil story I heard. Just so you know which one did you hear? Because it was it was saying they all happened at the same time. It was more closely related to what happened with the USS and emits where they scrambled jets and the thing was still in the air. Gotcha Okay, sorry about that. I wonder I wasn't fassioned up on a mute button. I wonder if that might have been the craft that was blown apart on the beach. I'm not sure, yeah, because there's a lot of time loss in this story where we don't know what happened because there's no one to you know, the audio.

33:53 There is audio out there of the Brazilian Air Force chasing one of them that I know is a fact because I've actually listened to that. I wish I would have thought to download it, adam it. You can find it if you Google search it. But they're literally saying, what the hell is this? What are we chasing? And they couldn't catch up to it, but apparently something caught up to it. Yeah, it's it's it's a wild story, and in a way it's exciting. And the reason I was excited to find it was because, like I said, it's it's said, it's not tampered with. It's it's kind of just you know, even the people that live there are like, yeah, just what happened? Okay, So the story I know about happened in it looks like eighty six where the jets chase the UFO over Brazil. I wonder what they were doing, like what they were looking for. They were just a quick little headline reading here Brazilian Air Force pilots chase fifteen thousand my mob per hour craft. Yeah, while hundreds of witnesses claimed to have seen the same from the ground. It's crazy.

35:15 Yeah, it's crazy because it's down there. This stuff doesn't get it doesn't get like swept under the under the bed, you know what I mean, Like it's here in America. It's like if you see something crazy, like like this shit, you know, you see you see this stuff this what'd you say? This was ever at Las Vegas like six hours ago? That's the story was from six hours ago. Yeah, Okay, you see this happen and you look at it and you think, wow, it's kind of weird, you know, like what's going on here. We've got some we've got some lights in this guy. I'm sure by the time where you're done listening to this episode, guys, there will be eighty different explanations for that, just just like that right sit down in I mean down in Brazil.

36:06 Though they don't have eighty different explanations for what happened. They got one, and they're very okay with it because to them, you tell the truth about what you saw, you know what I mean, you just it's to them, it's like the concept that it's gonna hurt anybody is not in their thinking. They're like, we saw an alien, we saw we saw a UFO was right there. The military check care of it, though, you know what I mean, Like they weren't. They're not like, you know, like, oh God, the fabric of society is gonna collapse. We gotta hide this guy's We gotta say it was a homeless guy. That's what That's what the story has changed to once the American press got involved. By the way, right, it was a homeless guy. Yeah, that makes solid, perfect sense. I'm just saying, if I run into a homeless guy that smells like sulfur and ammonia, I'm going to be concerned. I'm going to be highly concerned. Man, Ammonia has nothing to fool with.

37:15 A lot of people don't realize that the buy at the store is extremely deluded, just crazy deluded. Yeah, it's like full strength ammonia is absolutely deadly right. I had a friend tell me about an incident that happened with his dad, And his dad was a truck driver and he drove a tanker hauling ammonia and said that on his way to the place he was delivering the ammonia, something had happened to the tank and it ruptured and it had a little hole that was spraying out oh shit, ammonia, and the only thing he could do was hull ass. At that point, you know, you can't stop because you'll kill everybody. At least there's enough air to dilute stuff.

38:07 But they said that he said that the road he was driving down that he could look in the mirrors and physically watch the trees wilt leaves on the trees, which is wilt and turn brown like that. Oh my god. Yeah. And as soon as he got to the facility, you know, they took care of They put the vacuum bumps on or whatever and drained it down as fast as they could to keep it from being a huge, huge, huge, huge issue. You know. Could you imagine a creature that excrets this as a maybe a defense. I mean, that's you know what's weird though to think about, is them excreting that and it doesn't affect them.

38:52 Yeah, you know, so I just gotta imagine. I'm like, where the hell did they grow up? So here's okay, here's my law to a thinking right. So if they can excrete or release ammonium, yeah, and it does not affect them while they're doing it, what purpose does it serve where they're from? It's not a it's not a defense mechanism against their own kind. It's definitely a defense mechanism for something other than them. Maybe it's a you know, like the old cyanide tooth. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like I mean maybe, I mean it could be you know, they bite it, break it, and you know, but it kills everybody else around them. Well, I think that at that point, you know, if if capture is like the last possible scenario you want to happen, breaking a few eggs to make an omelet, you know what I mean, Like, Hey, these guys might die, but they're not going to get me alive. Yeah. I don't know. I'm liking it, likning it more to like like skunk, Like I don't believe skunks spray each other. They spray for defense. Yeah, you know, it's not so much like you know, how like venomous snakes are immune to their own venom, you know, which means that they're also immune to other speed other other

40:24 snake snakes are the same species. You know. I don't believe it's a hunting killing mechanism. That wouldn't make much sense, you know, it seems like a defense mechanism. My point being is that what the hell is where they're from that's so dangerous that they have to emit ammonia, yeah, survive? It can only imagine what the I mean even the I mean they're smaller, right, so they're smaller, less, there's less like what do you call it musculature. They're not, they're not physically imposing or powerful. But see that that that could be you know, a byproduct of space travel there too, because maybe you don't develop muscle very well in zero gravity, right, so if they're traveling through space, there's probably a degree of atrophy that happens. It could have evolved to be what they are. This could be some holdover to a from from like primitive whatever they were, whatever they were, cave aliens, right, you know what I mean, Well, whatever it is, it's plentiful enough that they evolved a defense mechanism for it.

41:37 Think about all the intelligent creatures on I mean, I know it's we're doing the whole life as we know it thing, But think of all the intelligent creatures on Earth, you know, right, Yeah, you're chimps, guerrillas, orangutans, anything we consider intelligent dolphins, r pigs, you know, none of which have a defense like that. Yeah, it's mostly your lower intelligent intelligence um like reptiles, reptiles, mammals that have defense mechanisms like this. Well, we'll throw throwing the what was that the platypus or wherever we even said that that was odd for that? The Yeah, what made it?

42:22 Grew a random barb on the back of its leg? Just right? Well, I mean that makes sense, isn't Australia. Everything in Australia is trying to kill you? But that's that's my point is is what in the fuck is where they're at. It's that dangerous first off, that like by proxy, it's you're not by proxy, but by comparison, it's going to have to be like some super intelligent predator. Yeah, and what is a super intelligent predator that's so super intelligent that it's hunting things that can do space travel, you know what I mean? Like this that's kind of a Anna ORMs, that's for sure. Yeah, I mean yeah exactly. Like the story is really interesting, and I know that like the focus on it is like the fact that our government hides a lot more than their government does.

43:10 But when I start thinking about the logic of everything that is being said, that makes it infinitely more terrifying. Yeah. I think Two, It's like, you guys are familiar with Pant's Perma, right, I don't think so. Pant's Perma is a theory that basically that dying stars and dying worlds seed new life on different further worlds out. So we don't know. I mean, we know that there was that Earth was two different planets at one point. We know that one Earth was called Gaya and the other one was like a rocky iron you know, planet or whatever you want to call it.

43:57 But they collided and there were millions of years they became what they are. What we don't know is that what we don't know is where they came from before that, before they settled here and got captured by this star. Right, So, some people seem to think that we are going to find similarities in our DNA with other life out there because of Pan's perma, because DNA and the things that build DNA are most likely out there and have kind of scattered all the way out this far. Not that aliens landed and made people and whatever. But you've got to think, at the end of the day, humans were never really meant to inherit this. There was another species, a lot of other species that lived that were here for sixty five seventy eighty million years. They had all the time in the world to evolve and then cut them off, right, Yeah, And it was a cataclysmic event, a cataclysmic event, and that was that was not evolution that killed the dinosaurs.

45:08 Yeah, that was absolutely an asteroid. Yes, So so there you go. Maybe there's like a maybe there's a planet out there that's got freaking dinosaurs on it. Yeah, and those creatures are emitting ammonia to get the hell away from them, you know. Yeah. So what I mean, the thing that blows my mind is that when the dinosaurs were here, some of them did evolve the steps, the steps you would start to take to a sentiency, right, and the Trudon was listed as the probably the smartest of all dinosaurs before the end. Right, it had the highest brain capacity, highest functioning brain. It was on its way to becoming those those reptiles that apparently went to another dimension and came back and or whatever. So they were cut off, they stopped. We weren't even thought of, Oh we were at that point was little bitty rodents that were food for them. So we kind of got lucky that we got to evolve after the fact, you know what I mean, everybody says that, like, well, why don't we have big claws and fucking huge teeth, and like, you know, we why don't we run like fucking fastest? Shit, why can't we jump super high? And all this? We were kind of an accident. You

46:39 know. You do what you do, You do what you can with what you got. Yeah, right, I'm just saying. Primates, you know, they had something different. They were constantly in fear of shit. Everything was a cataclysmic event for a primate. You know, there's giant tigers out there, this giant airs out there, there's packs of gigantic wolves out there, there's giant snakes out there, there's giant fucking centipedes out there. Everything is trying to eat us because it remembers back when we were food for everything. The only people that were different as us. We were starting to go like, hold up, now, I don't I don't think we're food for everything anymore. I mean, you know, I got this like sick acts, this thumb action shit going on here. You know, can make stuff that's pretty fun. Look at that, you know. I mean, we gotta posbal thumbs. That's a fine thumb, Denny, thank you, And they probably complimented each other back then on their thumbs. That's why we do this for good stuff. That's why everybody gives the thumbs up. It's to show your clan that your thumb is in good working order and you can get the days, you know, gathering and stuff done. Your thumb keeps disappearing, the mind's disappearing. Here we go. Yeah, you can tell her you got a hell of a hitchhiker thumb there, but you're muted. I do. Yeah, you get the nice little uh, the curve at the

48:12 top, like, hey, I need to go that way. He shows a little bit of leg too. Everybody does. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like all jokes aside at the end of the day the story from Brazil is it's fucking incredible. To me, it was. I was mind blown. I'm still am. I think it's amazing because it shows you a before and after. It shows you before America got involved, what the story was, and as soon as we get involved, it's a homeless dude. America came to capture this homeless dude, as they do. That's God bless him. That's what we do. We mobilize an army for a homeless guy, yeah, or mobilize the CIA for a homeless guy. I don't understand if that story was meant to fool us or what, because, oh, like, who the fuck is gonna believe that? You know what I mean? I was a homeless guy. We got him, though, Don't worry. What'd you do with this fucking space ship that he had? You mean, a shopping cart is a shopping guy, just shopping cart? Millions of people reporting a giant shopping cart floating through the air, Yeah yeah, I don't know. Yeah, but stories like that, especially with how many credible witnesses, there were unfortunate casualties of the people that literally died doing what

49:45 they thought was the right thing to do. It's a Honestly, it's for me, it's not hard to It's not hard to believe this one. Like for me, I'm I can throw. I feel like I can throw my money with this one. I think that something happened that night that changed a lot of people's lives, some of them, like these these young girls, It kind of, honestly kind of fucking ruined their life because they could never really unsee what they saw, you know what I mean. Can you imagine seeing something like that and then just trying to live a normal life. Yeah, you know what I mean. Like I like I have you know, I've seen some weird shit in the sky, but I don't know what it was, you know, And I've heard a lot of UFO stories. I've heard them from a lot of people that I trust their opinion on. But I didn't see it, you know, So I've got that well, I didn't see it. Yeah, But can you imagine even if you were one hundred percent skeptic, or even if you believed seeing something like that, those little girls probably aliens were never anything on their radar. You know, they're probably just trying to be little girls in Brazil doing whatever little girls in Brazil do yeah, And then the next thing, you know, they're famous for something they probably don't want to be famous for. Ye And then like, I mean, how much sleep do you think they got for the first year or two? I don't know. I don't know about you, but if I saw something like that, and even if I shot and killed it,

51:16 I'd be terrified that another one would come avenge or you know, do you know what I mean? Like, yeah, yeah, I want to know. I want to know for a fact if it, if it they're real or not. But I don't want to be the one. I don't want to be the one that verifies it. You know. There was one of the other crash sites happened. I think it was northwest of Virginia, right. It was on the countryside a man I think it was. It was like twenty sixty years prior on the day saw that crash, and he went down to see if there was people that needed help. And when they caught up to him to actually question him, he took them to the spot where it happened and he fell to his knees and he started fucking weeping because he said beings died here. He said it was terrible. They were people, but they weren't people like are like us, and they died here, and he was like the straw about it, like whatever happened, it caused him to basically avoid the topic. For like I said, twenty something years he well that and he was threatened. He did go on record to say that he was threatened, right, They told him. The military that showed up told him like, leave go away now, and don't speak of this because we know, we know who you are, we know where your family is.

52:45 And then the very last witness, the very last witness I brought up earlier, the Eric guy, he was approached to talk about it, and he actually pulled a gun on the reporters that came approaching his home and pretty much yelled at him and said, if you're here to talk about what happened, I'm not speaking. Go away, or I'll send you away with bullets. That's a man that means business. He will not talk about it. And they they've said that, you know, many people have approached him trying to um, trying to get him to go on record, and he refuses, he will not talk about it, and that that that threat of gunfire is apparently Apparently he means business because he's brandish a weapon multiple times on multiple different reporters, including documentarians, you know, school children. It doesn't matter what it is. Could be grandma, you know, Hey, yeah, you said that the creature was emitting pneumonia. Pneumonia? Is that what you said? They they people will there describe the smell as almost a sulfur ammonia smell. Thank rotten. But it was, but it wasn't really considered like pneumonia or whatever, ammonia, ammonia, my bad, I can't say it

54:17 ammonia right. It was described as an ammonia type smell, but also sulfuric and the other thing I know, like the two things that I know that smelled like ammonia is ammonia and cat piss mm hmma. So unless unless these things were pissing, I mean, yeah, it was freaking out. He might have just pissed himself. I don't, I don't know. Oh, that was another detail forgot to mention. He guys, uh he guys that capture that captured them described the skin. They said that the skin was oily, really oily like on them, but it was like, yeah, it was like it was sweating like an oily substance. Forgot about that, I just because I was looking at crazy dudes. Ammonia. Ammonia, if I'm seeing them right again, is an inorganic compound made of nitrogen and hydrogen.

55:28 So how could something discrete something that's not natural? I know it's not natural for us, but it could be natural for them, right. But that's what I'm saying. If it's not natural, like if it was discreeting nitrogen or something like, I wouldn't say that's normal. But it's a natural element that's found around the area. So that's what I was like, kind of I'm a little we did it out by that. It's like, this is a chemical that's not it has to be put together, not it's not natural, naturally occur Okay, So it does actually naturally occur, Okay. Like I just said, in cat pee, their biology turns creates ammonia. That's why you're not supposed to clean up animal you're in with bleach because you make mustard. Guess I wonder who the hell discovered dad on accident? You know what I mean? Like I walked in and there was this dude like laying there dead with a thing at bleach and he had his cat letter box sitting there, and they were like, well, he probably would have wanted me to clean up his cat pee for him. So then the next guy comes in and there's two dead bodies laying there, and he was like, something

57:00 in this room killed these guys. You know what I mean, how many people died to discover that one? That's that's an excellent question. Those about thumbs, yep, I feel like mine's inadequate. It's a good size, A good size thumb, that kind of smaller thumb. Yeah, but it's good. I mean it's a good size. Thank Yeah. Yeah, that's all I got. Guys. I thought that was pretty mind blowing. I would love to be able to go and visit these sites one day. That would be amazing. It would be so it would be so cool to to check it out and just pop in and head to the next one. It would be so cool. Yeah, go to each site and walk through and see, you know where all this stuff happened. And that's twice. And you know, being poor sucks. Oh, you know, money's wasted on the wealthy, it is, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, they're buying condos and rental properties. We would go investigate all of the UFO crash sites. It's way more awesome, Yeah, way more interesting.

58:22 Anybody can buy a yacht, all you rich fuckers. Yeah, your money's wasted on you. Yeah, except for maybe like Elon Musk. I mean, if anybody was gonna be up to Coom Batman, it's Elon. Yeah. You know, you know, he said he's eccentric as fuck. He sat there on Joe Rogan and he said that he doesn't believe in aliens, and everybody in the world goes, okay, right, sure you don't, you know, because he said, He's like, well, where are they? I don't nobody's nobody's fulled man, right, it's gotta build your fucking cars in your rockets. Okay, Yeah, don't try to sell us on that one. Yeah. It's like, that's a guy sitting there telling you that he wants to get a species off of one planet onto another, saying that he doesn't believe that anybody else is doing it, right, Like, give me a fucking break, dude. I think Neil de grasse Tyson said that he didn't believe in aliens either, Yeah, which I found really odd because they say that. It's like the low probability doesn't allow it, you know what I mean, Like, there's far, far too many planets and that could very well hold life. For us to be the only ones.

59:45 It doesn't make any logically, does not make sense. I'm like, I mean, this is gonna this is gonna be a little foul. But we're coming to the end of the fucking episode. So you already made it this far, You'll be all right, Okay, if this is the only life out in the in the universe, all of this shit has happened over billions of years, and let's just say, let's say pants permia is a fact. Let's say for the sake of this argument, all this DNA found its way and it's settled the building blocks of DNA right in the perfect spot for the Sun to activate that DNA over millions of years. Finally you get some algae, and from the algae you get little microscopic organisms, and from those you get little little creatures and little fish and little bugs and everything. And you're gonna tell me this is the only time it's happened. One thing.

1:00:40 But if this is all of the intelligent life out here, there's people peeing on each other. Right now they are in closed doors peeing on each other and like probably shitting on each other. You're saying that this is the sum, this is the pinnacle, this is the pinnacle of intelligent life. Okay, Okay, be perfectly honest. I wouldn't be shocked. Really, Oh okay, I'm just saying, like, I know, like we're looking at from as we know it, But I'm just saying, it's like if there was like if this was truly just an accident. I'm just saying, you know, for a fact, the universe was like, Okay, that was an accident. I don't want to try for real because I don't want another creation to end up like that. Are you saying, we're like a just a really bad snack recipe that was tried out, and we're like, m no, don't do that again. Don't don't mix those two. No, well, we're how do you does anybody do FONDU anymore? No one does fond fond They found? Don't now they found? Don't we are? I feel like we're obsolete technology and it's just and I still hold like, hold

1:02:12 my thought process. We are aliens third grade science project and we're sitting on a self somewhere, we're under somebody's bed. Yep, yep, they forgot about us. Yep. I mean from from the cosmic like universal point of view, it sucks because you know how you got the one side that says it's all just a cosmic accident. The other side says, no, it's intelligent, something created it. It's kind of funny to me because the universe is basically displayed to us that neither side is really right. Shit just kind of happens. And if we wake up and we're self aware, well we're just one little part of the universe. It's self aware, so it gets credit for that too. We're literally made of the same ship the rest of the universe is made of. Like that's mind blowing to me that there's there is no difference between us, Like we're made of the same shit. It all comes from out there behind me. And I've even said this to myself.

1:03:17 It's like for people, even like if you believe it in some type of religion, like a higher power, how can you sit there and say that this is the only one. You think that this higher power only tried once and never tried it again. It's like, that's what I'm like. I feel like if I believed in a higher power, I would have believed that he would do multiple try Like, for what if whatever his reasons may be, What if the universe is the higher power? What if it was inanimate? What if something out there yearned for consciousness? It's a good form.

1:03:58 That's a good point. Like religion treats God like a one hit wonder, you know. Yeah, but that one hit is fucking phenomenal for them. I don't know any inventor that ever did one thing stopped. Yeah, I don't know anybody that's good at a craft that only did one and stopped, thank you, you know. Yeah, that's why there's multiple strata, various violins. Yeah, yeah, there you have it. And I can't sit here and get behind the idea that this is the only planet out there bearing life. Yeah, and I know it sounds like a joke, but I said that, you know what if the universe in itself and its entirety did yearn for consciousness, it may may not even be able to, you know, conceptualize what that means. And every little life form that sprouts up is a form of that consciousness, not consciousness as a hive mind, but each individual thing that lives is take in information the whole time it's alive.

1:05:03 Noah, So I don't know. It's it's one of those like theories that's just bigger than than I can figure, you know what I mean. Like I can't I can't wrap my brain around that. Not that I don't want to. I want to, but I'm not smart enough to. In a way, I like to go with what you were saying with that, Yeah, that could go with like kind of the matrix thing. We're kind of like batteries because I feel like we hold so much energy. After like the world needs us just as much as we need it, like it only we're only existing to I guess, to add to it. Yeah, we're here to feed mosquitoes probably, you know what I mean? Like this, what if that was our purpose? Like fuck, everybody's trying to find the meeting of life. But like and the creator probably was like, yeah, I only made you guys so it could feed the Yeah, there's a lot of them. So there's a lot of them. Yea than us. You kind of spirted out of control when you overtook the world. You know what happened.

1:06:17 Is the planet designed us to feed the mosquitoes, right, and then somewhere along the line we made styrofoam and it was like, fuck, there's motherfuckers. I gave them one job to do. Sit there and have their blood drained. What are those uh little seat like the sea monkey things that you poured in? Yeah, brin trail. Yeah, we're kind of like that, so like a higher power just poured that in. We were just we're basically designed for one thing and then we just totally screwed it up. Yeah, I mean that sounds accurate. If I'm being honest, that sounds accurate. Probably. Yeah, I don't know. All right, a little one little sea monkey had a walk off. Yeah, scover scar new things.

1:07:12 Yeah, discover Now we got the ship everywhere. It doesn't apply it to grade, you burn it, it pollutes. I mean yeah, yeah, what can you do? And it squeaks? Yeah, well that's my kryptonite. Yeah, my son hates it. If I do that, Like, I'll get a piece. I'm like, look what I got. He's like yeah, i'd like him to and he's like yeah, so you know, it doesn't really bug me. So I'm like, you know, I'm not enjoying this at all. I don't even have starfum Nope, but I can hear it. I can hear it. You're doing such a mind Yeah, people who hate starrofum you can get them from any distance. You don't even have to have guy, imagine STARROFM mhm. I was when I was younger. I uh, we were going to a field party and a friend of mine did not have a normal cooler. He got one of those uh star from Cols and I went to pick him up and he put the star from cool in the bed in my truck and I grabbed the star from cooler out and throw it in his yard immediately beer and all like nopepe don't care.

1:08:25 I don't care. I want to dumped the beer into the truck. And then I'm like figuring the fuck out, pal Nope, not happening, not doing it star fuyeah No. And I'll tell you I think it all started. But there's a therapy session here. Let me get makes you feel, Josh, I could tell you how it all started. So I remember when I was a little guy, like maybe five six tops, we went to go down to Georgia to visit family. On my mom's side, right, thinking, lad, you're writing us down. How much is this session going to cost? Because there's two of you. I was actually drawing dicks. Sorry, So okay for you. For the older listeners, anybody older than us, this is not going to be surprising whatsoever this part of the story. For you younger listeners, please don't be shocked. This was what happened in the eighties. We drove all the way south of Atlanta, Georgia from here, which is like what eight nine hours, ten hours something like that, ye easily in a GM cargo van which was a two seater, right, So my mom and dad had the seats up front in the van and I rode on an air mattress in the back of a van next to a star from cooler for ten hours. So I had my fill of star foam before I was seven, So anything from here on out is just I've

1:09:57 already had my fill. Please my cup neth over. No more styrofoam for me, I'm good. Yeah, your styrofeam cup runneth over. Yeah, that was my And then I discovered a fun little factor about star foam and it made my day. I figured this out when I was like in my mid twenties, is that anti spider spray for welding? Yeah, dissolve styrofoam on contact, which was a lot of fun at this place I used to work at because they had coffee available for everybody to work there, but it was all in styrofoam cups, and if somebody was annoying you, you just and their cup dissolve in their hand and the call. Once I discovered that, I would just go outside at the dumpster and just spray styrofoam just to make myself feel better to watch it, you know, watch it burn more or less. You know, it's like the wigged Witch, you know, rolling up melting. Yeah, probably way too much information for the show.

1:10:51 That what if the aliens that we that we were talking about, what if they evolved from styrofoam? If they squeak when they walk, they're dead on targe. That's how that gets you. They're chasing it. It's like, oh my god, no, I I will I will burn them, I will shoot them. Yeah, get on contact. You imagine turning around and there's a star from alien You're just like, what a what a horrid thought? And I thought we were friends, right, no, yeah, no, good. All right, guys, let's let's let them have their day. I don't I don't know what else to let else to tell you out there, if you don't like star Foam, there's a lot of people the dolt so right, you're not alone. You're definitely not alone. And if you hate star Foam, leave a comment down below, email us, tell us how much you hate star Foam. So I don't feel like I'm alive.

1:11:53 All right, Guys out there, take care of each other. Yeah, yeah, like I always say, keep keeping eye on us. We bear watching. Uh see you guys. You just gave him a goodbye kiss Tyler, and I think you're You're not You're sick. You're gonna kill them. I just got all our listeners sick. Just kissed them all on the ear. Terrible. We're gonna We're gonna end up with hearing age m