S326: Just start swinging. The Travis Walton story.

0:00 You are listening to The Kentucky X Files Season three with your hosts Dennis Mays, Tyler Stewarts, and Josh Gibbs. Don't forget to subscribe to us on your YouTube, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. You can also visit us at www dot k y x files dot com and now onto our show. The report Okay is a recording, I guess. So. Yeah, we were just just going to keep talking. Good. So I'm professionally the back of the Age or unt cast of China. Welcome back, guys to your Kentucky X Files. Ah. Do I remind you of the turtle video? Yeah, exactly what I was thinking of. Turtle video, the one one of the turtles humping the shoe. Oh yeah, and he's like,

1:38 Okay, I can't get it out. You weren't you? And I laughed in your old studio for weeks over that. And Day Job Orchestra, Oh my god, day Job Orchestra. They are the biggest shout out. Yeah, probably some of the best. I know. There's there's new channels out there that do like the and you know what is it bad? Yeah? Yeah, but them guys, man, they were especially when they went at uh George w m hm. You know they love ye the fucking drops. That was sweet. It was like it was everything was parmegranit m hm Like no, it was a beef parog get their star trek ones though.

2:28 Yeah, yeah, that's what I was just thinking. It was. Captain Schulicard really liked beef parogies. He's like, I'm gonna go have a rub down with Beverlely. Yeah. The Lions, Oh, the Lions, hours of Enter two hours on video. Yeah, that one video. Anybody out there hasn't seen day Job Orchestra on YouTube, go immediately and tell them the Kentucky X Files sent you. Yeah, DJO, Yeah, because I don't think that Djob Orchestra get you some of them. But if you're looking for the Lions specifically, yeah, DJO Lions, Yeah, watching a few extra times. Yeah, it is stupid. It's great ship though, And Turtle Fox's shoes pretty good. That's that's yeah. Yeah. I ran across the Joe cartoon the other day. Oh my god, I haven't heard that word forever, and I was like, this dude's this dude's still around. I don't I think he does like more music stuff now like, I don't think he does the cartoons quite as much, like every down again, But that's the guy that does the um the d D thing, right. He did the like hamster and a blender, m um, you know the Christmas thing, the animation I sent you the Santa Claus he ships out of reindeer.

3:54 Yeah, yeah, he does that one. Uh classics. Yeah, it was a gerbil in a blender or a hamster in a blender. Probably a hamster. Yeah. And he didn't he to do super Fly too. Oh god. There was like three of them and they were like my favorite. Yeah yeah, man, you piss a super fly. Yeah. I always loved how the animals would have They would be seemingly normal until the end, then all of a sudden they had superpower, Like the fly could just straight fly through somebody. Yeah. That was fucking amazing. Yeah, good stuff. Man, early days of the Internet, I never thought that that stuff was gonna be like an like an antique, like a relic. Now it was like like stick Death, Oh my god, stick Death Yeah, yeow amazing. Stick Death was fantastic. Do you think somebody one day it's gonna be like flipping through and they're gonna be like, God, do you remember Kentucky XFI? Do you remember them guys? Wow? Hope you know who I watched a marathon of like two weeks ago. Is that Strong Bad, Strong Bad? Do you remember the Strong Bad emails? I can't remember.

5:15 It sounds famailure. He was the Lujador. He was a little cartoon lujador. Hang on, let me all right, continue talking here and I'll pull up a picture of him. I'll throw it in here. I think it'd be hilarious if one day somebody was flipping through and they were like, oh my god, I remember these guys, whatever happened to them? And they're reading through an article and it's like Tyler was the first person to ever raise cattle on Mars when Elon Muska set you know, the colonists. I don't think I have the strength of that right now. Yeah, it's a shame. What happened to Denny though it was April twenty nine, twenty three, died of an abscessed tooth. Huh. Very prophetic, you know, but very specific too. What happened to what happened to Josh? What happened to what happened to Josh? Like, let's hear what there's got to be a legend. What happened to him. I'd like to think that he's he's out there and he's messing around in his garage. You know, he's got a collection of guitars. Yeah, maybe some gold records, you know, sprinkle some gold records up there. You know, though a couple of extra ones in there. You know. I like where this is going, and you know, like up and coming artists are coming over to to you know, hang out with him and learn the secrets. You know, but they have to they have to survive the mead first. You know. It's not it's

6:47 not easy. Good look I filled this horn, fool, here's strong bab oh Okay, I remember this guy. Yeah, homestar runner dot com. That was the check out my am. I still do that, like just to check my email because that's what he does in one. And here's the things, like I guess it was a Mandela effect. I thought he did it in all of them. Yeah, no he doesn't. It was only one that he was just like checking my meryl. I don't know why he did it like that, just stuck just stuck in my brand like a worm. And it's their birth that's awesome. I do remember that though. You guys remember the Crank Crank Anchors? Yeah, yeah, I still every now and again, every now and again, I'll be like, hey, lady, I tell you there was there was a show that was sort of like Crank Anchors um as far as like the platform. It was called Shorties Watching Shorties, but so instead of muppets, it was cartoon characters. It was two cartoon babies that would watch were clips. And dude, I don't know what happened to that show and why it didn't last. I'm gonna have to find a specific episode. Yeah, and I'm gonna send it to our chat and you guys are gonna like lose it. Hell yeah, it's good stuff.

8:18 Yeah, I miss them all days. Man, there was every cartoon that I can remember growing up would probably not fly now, you know what I mean, you fucking think. I mean, think about the teenage muting Ninja Turtles in the eighties, right, okay, And all you have to do is look at how look at how April is dressed, and they would not do that now and then nowadays where people were like confused, what was wrong with Am I just too old enough to realize that there's an issue.

9:05 Well, I was looking at this thing where it was talking about how April was was kind of, uh, God, this is gonna like, this is just gonna be one of those topics where Okay, basically she was like always pigeonholed into a certain role and she was dressed for this role. And then when they made the new movies, they pretty much dialed that up to like a million. And there's this whole movement out there that doesn't like that. They don't like when the actor fits the role too much. God, there's just no way to say it. You can't even say it without pissing you all off. I am so fucking confused right now. I'm just gonna be honest. Hang out here. Here's some weird, weird facts I just learned about that. Okay, you guys remember the live action movies, right, the first one? Okay, remember the beginning part where I think it was probably the beginning. It was around the beginning part where Michelangelo is waiting for pizza. He's like, pizza guy's thirty has got he's got thirty seconds.

10:16 The guy, the pizza guy is the guy that actually is in the costume of Donna Tello. That's his cameo in the movie. Really, the guy that does all the action scenes in Donna Tello's costume. The wise man say, don't pay full price for late yeah pizza. And then the guy remember Rafael when Raff went out and he was in the trench coat and he was running after like Casey Casey Junes and he rolls over that taxi cab. The guy in the back seat is the guy that does all the action scenes inside the costume of Raphael. Yeah, yeah, that guy. And then there's some I can't remember. I can't remember the one that does Mikey and uh Leonardo, but they said the guy remember when the foot Clan finally catches up to April and that one of the foot clan smacks her in the face.

11:16 Yeah, that's supposed to be I think that's supposed to be Michael Angelo or Leonardo, one of the two. No kidding. Yeah, they all made cameos inside the first movie. But I like, dude, I just really like so like, I can't remember what it was another podcast. It was on a real and I uh, it was just I was just scrolling through and I saw that I was like, no, way. That's pretty cool. You out there listen to the other podcasts and cheating on us. Hey, you gotta diversify. Yeah, that makes sense. All right. So I'm I'm putting some pictures up here that are gonna briefly I want to I want to get out of this one. So I'm just gonna put these out here and let your imagination kind of go with why they don't really fly anymore. Okay, So yeah, I get it. Holy crap. Okay, so you're talking comic book. Oh yeah, yeah, it wasn't just it wasn't just a comic book though. Okay. So there's that one, there's a here's this. This is an updated one. Okay. You could tell that there's a scaling difference, you know what I mean? I see, I don't remember those from the cartoon as much. Yeah, yeah, I remember that. Yeah, I remember that. That's because in the cartoon the scale changed pretty much from episode to episode, and it was it was one of them deals where it was like it I don't know if you guys ever like look into like the Disney thing and like how much hidden shit is going on back there? Animators from back then, we're fucking there were fiends,

12:54 Like they were literally fiends. They hit all kinds of shit and it's hilarious. So was the was the first or second one from the original n It can't be from the original comic book because the original comic book was in black and white and they actually used guns. It was a very dark, very comics or graphic novel. Yeah, I see, I wasn't. I never remember that because all I remember is the jumpsuit. Yeah, I don't remember the little little points where like she would be doing something and like one of the turtles would be sitting there, Like I mean, this stuff was everywhere, though, I was, Why do I not remember this? I was listening to Joe Road and talk about Pinocchio. Yeah, the original Pinocchio.

13:41 Maybe did you see did you guys ever listen to that with the Jim Brewer? No, you mean the animated like the first first animated when the part they were talking about the pub scene where this guy was like basically telling stuff the fox that like there was like this character was a fox. It was like evil or whatever. Yeah, and he's like telling him. He's like, nah, you take the stupid boys, and he's like the fox is like, well, what you know what a whatever and he's like no, no, no, no, they don't kill him. He's like, you take him to Pleasure Island and then he's like Pleasure Island and he's like yeah, and they don't come back as boys. I'm like, I loved that movie, Like why why are we? You know what I mean?

14:33 Like this is terrible. This actually brings up a weird one for me. Okay, I don't know. You guys were probably older like past this. Do you guys remember the Will Smith movie Wild Wild West? Yeah? Okay, do you guys remember any real parts about that movie? Oh? Really? Okay? Okay, Well, the one main thing I want to like, because we were talking about things that went in slide today. I remember this was advertised at Burger King you could get toys. I remember getting toys from this thing. And dude, there was a scene where he meets this guy's I think it was named is doctor doctor Loveless, and he had half of his body and they were going back and forth, like making jokes about who they were, which doctor lovel is making racist comments yea, saying that I don't want you to be a slave to your disappointment, and something about like it's saying other racial slurs. Yea. And this was advertised it's a PG movie. It was advertised is a four kids basically, I know it's his PG is still parental guidance, but there's no age restriction on it though, right, That's what I'm saying. It's like this the craziness. And I've never heard anybody say crap about this movie. Yeah, like, there's never been any backlash on that. You gotta keep Wild Wild West out of

16:06 your fucking mouth. Yeah. Yeah, Well that's why I kept, like I kept thinking, is that it was so long ago, but that's we still do that to this day, where we vilify somebody that did a movie years and years ago. Basically, man, I think I recently watched I recently watched Chris Rock do Us like his comedy or whatever, and he I watched it, and I thought it was interesting. But his title, I think made a lot of sense for nowadays, the title of his show, and he explains it. You know, I'm not going to spoil it for anybody who wants to watch it, but his title was called selective Outrage.

16:55 Oh yeah, that's good. And he goes through the whole thing about what selective outrage is, you know, and it's brilliant. But that's what's going on, yeah right now. And it's like I think I watched an interview with Jamie Fox talking about Robert Downey Junior and Tropics under yeah, and how the selective outrage wasn't towards Robert Downey Junior. It was towards Ben Stiller's Simple Jack. Yeah, Like everybody was pissed about that. And everybody would you know, everybody would with with Robert Downey. There was like a handful of you know, white women that were upset with Robert Downey Junior. But for the most part, everybody was like, man, you you did a good job. You know. Even Jamie Fox was like, I wasn't. I was there, dude, You're You're amazing, you know. But but Simple Jack caught all the flak. That's it's amazing. That's that's it's selective outrage.

17:48 Yeah, it's it's amazing. I don't know. I was on this kick the other day where I was I was looking look at the older stuff, and I was looking at some of these things, and um, that's actually how I came him across what what I was gonna bring up to you guys. See if you guys were familiar with the topic at all. Guy's ever heard of a man named Travis Walton? This guy I don't recognize his face. Well, Travis has heard a snippet of him. He is kind of a semi I want to say, semi famous guy. I mean he's I think now after all these years later, now he's kind of back interested in the topic. But then not so much. And there was a reason for that. In nineteen seventy five he was working in a national forest and Travis was abducted by aliens. And there's there's a couple of different ways you can tell the story. There's there's one where the this is the biggest narrative that goes on for the last thirty forty years now, is that they went up there, the ship zapped him and sucked him up and took off.

19:17 His buddies freaked out and took off down the hill whatever, and then you know whatever. But the stories actually pretty wild. Hearing it from him himself is it changes everything, right, And when you listen to his story, he says that they saw it when they were they were doing they were clearing brush, they were clear they were up on this National forest. They were clearing brush. A forestry service was coming through to take trees. Their job was to clear the underbrush so the machines could get right in there and zip the trees and go. They were raking the forest. Yeah, yeah, so common practice. It also helps prevent forest fires and stuff while they're in there working. Yeah, the scrub's gone exactly. So that was their job.

20:02 In the movie, there's there was a movie release called Fire in the Sky and the movie they were cutting trees down and all that, but in actuality from his own mouth, they were they were clearing brush and shrubs and stuff. Um. From from what they said was they were on this contract for a while and they were actually making decent money doing it. One night when they were uh, basically done for the night, they were leaving, they saw these weird lights up on this hill. So they didn't know if somebody was up there or something was going on. They didn't know if they needed to go up there, and you know, somebody could be you know, needed help or anything. So they went up and when they got up there, there was a ship a craft floating above the tree line and the lights were coming from it. Um, what happened next is where I decided to go back and listen to all the different times he's told the story because something stood out to me. When they got out, they were sitting there, they were actually like kind of like this is freaking cool as shit, you know what I mean. They were all nervous, but they were they were like, dude, look at this, you know, like I figured it'd be like how we would be if we saw it, Like, holy shit, dude, do you see that thing? Yeah, that's that's fair.

21:25 And then it started to emit this low vibration. They said it was like a sound, but they felt it. They didn't like they didn't hear it audibly, they could, but they could feel it. It was like it was like vibrating them. So they started to back away from it. Travis didn't back away. He kept looking all six of the guy. Other guys later on would testify different things that happened to Travis, but very similar. One guy said light hit him. It was like an explosion of light. He goes flying. Another guy said lightning struck him. Like everything that was described was close enough to the same for me, where I was like, Okay, I can't really dissect that one too much bright ass light.

22:15 I've been close to lightning striking before. It's it's I mean, on a on a bad day, dude, it would give you flashburn. It's that bright. You know, if you're lucky and you're not too close, hopefully you don't. You didn't see it long enough to burn your fucking you know eyes. But these guys said that the light was so bright. He goes flying, He hits the ground and crawls up to this this little like log, and I guess he was like trying to take cover or something. The next thing they know, he's being zepped up to the ship. They freak the fuck out. They jump and pile into this truck, this pickup truck, and they hull ass down the hillside they get I think they said that they the guy that was driving Mike. I can't remember Mike's last name.

23:10 But when Mike got to a certain point, he said, he kind of like got a hold of himself and basically said we have to go back. And the other guys didn't want to go back, but he said, He's like, you can wait here if you want, but I got to go back. Nobody wanted to wait by themselves. So everybody just stayed in the truck. They went back up there, and when they got back up there, there was nothing. There was no trace. They were walking around in a group because they had one flashlight, and everybody was like not they were too freaked out. They didn't want to separate. So they're walking around with one flashlight and they're looking. They don't see anything. They stay up there for a while, so they went back and they went straight to the authorities and they reported it. And when they told the authorities what had happened, and the authorities thought that they were intoxicated. They thought that everybody was drunk off their mind. Well, Travis didn't show up. Travis didn't show up for a while. In fact, it took him so long to show up that the other guys were being basically being held in suspected a fucking murder at this point, and they kept telling the same story, same story. Here's what happened, this is what happened. You know, why aren't you up there looking? You know, why are you Why are we doing this?

24:33 You should be there looking. You know. Travis's brother was actually getting together large groups of people to go up there and search the forest because at that point they were like, whatever happened to him, if he was if there was a body here, he could be eaten by something, he could be taken by something, we got to find him before or we're never gonna get answers. So this became a big deal. Other than Betty and Barney Hill, this was probably one of the biggest most televised abduction cases that's ever happened. And the crazy part about this to me is that Travis showed back up, like I want to say, it was like almost six days later or something like that, like six days, seven days, so I can't remember, but he shows back up, and in the movie it shows Travis just in a fucking phone booth. He's just in a phone booth and he's trying to call somebody, and I think he calls the main the main guy, Mike. But in reality, he came. When he came to he was back up on that hill, almost exactly where he got taken from, and he started walking down the hill and he didn't even remember why he started walking.

25:59 He just did. It was like he was being driven and he saw the town's lights and he walked towards them. He didn't collapse until he got off the phone. The phone was still hanging there. So, in his own words, he thinks that he passed out because he ed he remembered calling his family, and they didn't even believe it was really him. They thought it was a prank. So he calls his family and tells them like, I don't know where I am. I'm in town. I'm in a phone booth, and they're like, we'll be right there. So they start looking for him. They find him, he's passed out. They take him and they start to get the story out of him. For the next like month or two, he's almost catatonic, like he can't he can't even formulate his sentences, and little things were setting him off. No, I don't mean like you know, something spilling, he gets pissed. I mean like he's straight up thinks somebody's after him, and he's freaking out. He can't be in closed rooms, he can't be in total darkness, he can't none of that. He's you know, he even said to himself, he don't think he slept very much during that whole time. That it took. It took months to get back to normal again. And that's when the hypnosis happened.

27:25 That's when they hypnotized him to find out what happened. So to his memory, and again this is where I pick up little details that I think are strange. Okay, in his memories, he came to on the ship. He just didn't know it was a ship. He comes to and he's looking around and he cannot figure out where he is or why, but he knows his lums and his back are burning. He can't hardly breathe like he's. He's literally struggling for air. He can't like he's. He feels like he thought he was dying. He thought he was dead. And he doesn't even remember exactly when the first of the beings came to him, but they slowly but surely started to come to him, and these beings started to try to coax him, you know, with them. He freaked the fuck out, freaked the fuck out, had no idea what he was looking at. In his own words, he starts swinging. He basically was like Tyler in Total Darkness and that clip that we made, all right, So he's telling swinging that's what it does. Darkness does that to you, Okay, So that is point number one on my believability scale. He didn't say I was paralyzed with fear I couldn't do anything. He said, I straight fucking started swinging.

29:00 And I'm like, there you go. Finally, finally someone's gonna say it, because yeah, there's probably a good portion of us out there that would be too paralyzed to do anything, but I bet you there's just as many of us that would start fucking swinging right now. The interesting detail that I was going to say is that he started swinging at these things that we're trying to do stuff to him. You know, he lost consciousness. He wakes back up, he's on a table this time. There's a few of them. They're they're holding him like this. They have these machines, they're doing stuff to him. Guess what, Old Travis goes for Round two, starts fucking swinging again, breaks out of their restraint, shoves them off of him easily, And that's one of my details there, easily shoves them away, starts swinging. They backed the fuck off of him. They don't like men, they don't do that shit, and like shut him down. They literally back up, like okay, right, how fucking go again? Right?

30:14 Extra sensory uh, telepathy, So they didn't have like a laser gun where they were like, it's knocked him out. They straight up, We're like, okay, if he's freaking out, back up, he freaks out. They leave, They exit, and coincidentally another human shows up, but the human doesn't talk, it just smiles. At that point, I would have been like, can you just bring the fucking aliens back in? Just take your ass out of here, because you know what I mean, that's uh, that's some like they think that's what makes people like like each other and feel comfort type thing. The feeling he described was an overwhelming feeling of I'm on your team. Let's just come with me, and we're gonna get out of here. We're going to escape. So the guy come on, grabs his arm and starts to pull him, like come on, come on.

31:18 He goes with him. He's like, he's like, after seeing them, this is human, I'm going with this. So he at the time he didn't question. It wouldn't be till later that he started questioning this whole thing. All right, So he's following this guy all through this fucking ship to get out of this thing. And he said at one point he looked up and he's talking to this guy the whole time, like, where are we going? What are we doing? You know, how do we get out of it? And the guy's looking back and He'm like and they keep going, right, he said. At one point, the guy looks up, he looks up, sees a bright light and he's standing in the fucking forest. Okay, standing in the forest where he was taken or close to.

32:08 Now. I know I've paraphrased this whole story. This story is everywhere. You can listen to it. You can listen to Travis Walton tell it in so many different ways. It's amazing. The details never changed since nineteen seventy five. They have never changed. The other guys that saw the initial thing. Okay, what would be the biggest motivator out there to make up a huge abduction story and lie about it. Publicity money, book deals, book deals, money. He could have got a piece of, like what the movie that you were talking about? Absolutely, because they I had I talked about this in season one about the Amityville horror, because that's what they said that they thought that the fan was making it up. Because they got a piece of all these book deals, and movies and stuff because it was their story. So yeah, it's not four fetched to believe that. So yeah. Uh. The thing that it was weird to me was that most of the guys, I think at one point, I think they have they did make some money off of the story. They made five thousand dollars.

33:31 They made five thousand dollars. They submitted their story to the National Enquirer, I think, and they were paid five thousand dollars to run the story. And that seems more like a well, if we're going to be part of this, we might as well cash in. Yeah, so then let's do this to cash in. But there were some guys in the group that never took a red cent. They didn't want any money. There's one guy that's actually changed his whole life around it because he believed it was a it was a very religious experience. And he goes to the site to this day, he goes up there and he and he sits there and he prays. I mean every year he goes to the same spot where Travis was taken and he sits and he prays, and he will not take money and he will not do interviews about it. Uh So, Okay, well, I was just about to say it, as he told. The reason why does he believe that these beings is believes that they're divine? They were divine. And I want to throw a theory of my own to you guys and see what you guys think. Okay, because this is after devouring everything I could find about Travis. All right, here's the notion that I got. All right, it goes back to the initial sighting. Okay, they saw the ship, right. The ship didn't come down and followed them. It didn't show up

35:06 where they were at, right, They drove to get to it. Okay, that's that's a detail right there. So the ship wasn't actively looking for someone to abduct. Okay, they showed up to it. They got out and were looking at it. Fuck yeah, I would. I'd want to see it. I know it's dumb, but I never claimed to not be. All right, So they get out and they look, they hear that noise. They all describe this noise. All right, Travis got caught by something because if they were trying to abduct him, that first blast would have not knocked him away. I believe that if they were trying to grab him, they could have grabbed him easily and taken him. I believe that whatever hit him the first time damaged his internal organs really fucking bad, to the point where he was probably not gonna make it. And what's the only time us wild like our wildlife biologists ever interfere with the animal as when we do something to fuck that animal up. If we do something to fuck it up, then we'll intervene. Otherwise we'll let it get eaten by a lion.

36:31 So if a lion would have came out and jumped on Travis right then I think he'd be dead today. But he got too close the ship did something to him. I don't think it was intended. I don't think they're infallible. So was there any other indications of like, Okay, I remember in your in the story you were telling his lungs and his back was like killing him. Did he ever say any of that too when he was in the hospital. Yeah, I see the lungs. Okay, Well, imagine taking a blast of radiation to the lungs when you're looking up at something. Oh okay, imagine radiation burn right. So I was sitting there like, Okay, he wakes up. They're not attacking him. They're not trying to, like, I mean, why fucking bring him back? Like what would be the point? It's like, dude, you have a spaceship, who cares if you bring him back? You could have chucked him out while you were up there. We would have just been like that was probably a bird, you know what I mean? Like, Okay, I think they literally fucked him up on accident, and they were like, dude, let's fucking fix this guy. Put him back. Oh my gosh, shit, Oh the boss is gonna be so mad times the supervisor get here, you know what I mean. I'm so fired. Damn Philip Right, you ever walked in

38:07 on your employees, Josh and they fucked something up and they're like they like throw a blanket over and thinking that you won't see it, Like why is there a blanket? There? A better question for you? Did they ever try to fix it before you get there so you don't find out? Oh? Yeah, yeah, I really feel like we got motivations here. They accidentally fucked the guy up. They didn't mean too. I don't even think they were. Probably they weren't intending to even They were probably getting ready to blast off and get the fuck out of there, so nobody would ever know the difference. But I think he literally just got caught in something and they were like, oh shit, because all of the things that happened, like the trouble breathing, he said he when he woke up, he couldn't breathe, his lungs burned, his you know, everything was bad. He couldn't he was struggling for breath even like the lack of oxygen will cause hallucination, right, so if you're in this state where you don't even know what you're looking at, you you might be hallucinating, you might not be. And these things are not very tough. He pushed him off of him pretty easily.

39:15 They couldn't even restrain him. Even he said. He was like, I'm I was bigger than them, Like they're not. They're not big, they're not strong. Well, yeah, the same The same thing goes with like if just like how you were saying, like if we accidentally intervene in and like wildlife, and it was our fault. When we try to help, we tend to back off no matter what kind of species it is, because we don't want it to hurt itself. Again, that's why we don't like if you're working on it's uh working on something. Even like a wild animal, you tend to like if it starts to lash out, you let it do its thing until it calms back down. So I I feel like that would be the case. Like I'm just saying, if they were this advanced, they would be able to have a way to keep you, keep you down. But they're not doing that because I like, I like your theory. I don't think. Yeah, I don't think they could afford to us to restrain him. I think he was in critical condition. Yeah, because if they do it, because I feel like if you let it play out and let them calm down themselves, it's less risk of more injury.

40:29 Yeah, because if you're trying to restrain them, you're causing them stress. That's that will be the catalect. Like you, you're causing them stress, so you would have to stop or leave. Yeah, try to figure out another way to keep them calm. And I guess that would be the reason why they chose another human, like a vision of a human to help him leave and stuff. That that was that was I thought that was weird, was like they backed off and left. This human appears yeah, like hey, buddy, come with me, buddy, you know, like and it was like josh it, It's like that was their idea of what he would need to you know. I think at that point they probably were done and they were like, okay, he's he's okay, let's let's get him off the fucking ship before he starts ship, you know what I mean, Well, we do that like if you got to like like think about in the zoo where they have like baby eagles that won't eat, they use a puppet, you know, right, Yeah, they have a people puppet. Yeah.

41:32 Yeah, I think there was like an alien down there. Like they did the same thing with a I saw a video of a there was a baby seal. There was a baby seal that they found. It's three aliens in a trench. Code. Yeah, they're on each other's shoulders. But they did the they did with a baby seal, like they made it. They took an old wetsuit and because it was looking for its mother, they would they had a hole where they put a bottle in so it would it would think that it's his mother, so it would rest next to it.

42:14 So I kind of like, I feel like it's weird. To like look at us as that primitive, and it's a little terrifying that people like there's beings out there that could treat us like that. I don't know, I don't think that. I don't think it's a primitive issue. I think it's more along the lines of if you were in that situation. All right, let's let's let's play the devil's advocate here and say that everything Travis is saying is one hundred percent factual. Right, I'm not saying he is. I'm saying let's say he is because he even he won't say that he is, because right, thank you, very hazy. Right, and then okay, let's put you in a place that you have no idea where you are, what it is you're in. You don't recognize anything. There's no comforting things around you. There's no language you recognize, there's no signage you recognize, there's no you know, like we have certain things that we always have.

43:15 You know, our doors are shaped a certain way. It makes sense. You know. You see a lever on a rectangle in a wall, that's a door. You know. Square toilets definitely caught me off guard. That mean, that was the worst part was the square toilet. But but okay, so you're in this position, right, and you're looking around and there's a glimmer of hope, a small bit of something you know, that's familiar. It doesn't have to be perfect. It could probably fall very deep in the uncanny valley and still steam, you know, and still seem like it's just enough to be like, Okay, that's familiar, you know, because in your mind, maybe the reason this person isn't responding is because yeah, maybe human, maybe it doesn't speak English. Yeah, you know, maybe you're rational. They took him from Yeah, how can you rationalize something in a completely irrational situation? That's exactly it. Yeah, I think you're just going to I think that anything that's got the smallest glimmer of hope is going to seem like, you know, paramount compared to everything else. Oh.

44:32 Absolutely, I had a question. I didn't think you answered it. But did they find any thing wrong with him health wise? At the hospital? Health wise? I think there was a there was a something like they released about his health he had. Okay, now, okay, so here's where this is. This is where things got a little controversial, right, because you had two different it had two different parties reporting and disreporting it. There was a mysterious person that came into the picture during the whole investigation and offered some reporter twenty five thousand dollars to go and basically spread misinformation about the whole thing. That guy was caught. All right, guess what happened to that guy? Rum If this was the movies, he would be like, Oh, they fucking killed his ass, right, No, no, no, Cia hired him. Oh that makes perfect sense. Yeah. The guy literally went from he was like think think you think of him like a moon.

45:51 He was basically just a moon working around the whole investigation during the whole time, and the whole time he's spreading disinformation, and he kept spreading all this stuff about the Walton family, Um, how they were covering up a big secret, all this stuff. It was a plot to get rid of them because of a brother or whatever. And at the same time, even the guys that were with Travis, all right, he didn't get along with half of them, the crew that worked together, they didn't fucking like each other. So that was the That was the detail that the police got hung on.

46:32 They were like, oh, yeah, it's it's fucking known that they fucking hate each other. So they killed his ass that and you got this other guy who's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard that they were going to do it, you know what I mean. So you'd expect this dude to just disappear. Now he got hired by the CIA. I don't know if he still works for him, but oh, so not surprised. Yeah, I mean, well, the CI is known for doing some really really shady shit. They're supposed to work inside. Yeah, that's uh, that's all foreign. The CIA is supposed to be foreign like agency, like it's supposed to work outside, oh, like the United States basically, yeah, really technically not allowed inside because that's FBI, except for when they're paying prostitutes to pick up John's and giving the john's you know, hallucinogenic drugs and and and doing experiments on them and then giving the black community syphilis.

47:44 And then weren't they responsible for blowing up one of our own ships in the Bay of Pigs, you know, like they like to do shit to push their agendas, that's for sure. Yeah, but uh, there was a question, another question. The only reason why I asked is that there was any radiation anything detected in his health. Was I bring it up a lot because I feel like it's one of the other only other, like abduction style cases is the one that's local to us. It's uh in Stanford, Kentucky. The three women that lost time, and they literally tested them and some of them had radiation burns on them, right, and there's like no like no real reason how they would have got that. So with with Travis Walton's case, the reason why it's it is similar, but the reason why it's it's also different is because for some reason, multiple third parties had all showed up and started screwing this case up all right, So you you go, it goes really quickly from could be a group of guys that just hokes something too multiple uh, like government agencies involved all at once. Right. One of the things that was really interesting to me was that someone a government official, had showed up to the police and told them this is before he turned

49:19 up. By the way, when he returns, we have a special group that'll be able to care for him. He's going to need certain medical treatments. And the police were literally like okay, like he's a missing person, Like we don't know if he's gonna show up, and this person was like, he'll show up, but when he does, just here's you. And he like gave the what he call it the boss. He gave him his card, like just call me and I'll send a team out. Was black, Like was he in a like men in black black suit? I don't know, but you got like you have FBI up there searching the mountain looking for him. You got, you know, like these these weird like disinformation people that are out and about spreading all these different rumors to the point where it got back to the families where it was actually upsetting the families where they're like, you know, I think at one point the brother was literally like I was up there every day looking for my brother, Like why would they just choose me to say that I wanted it wanted my brother did, Like it didn't make any sense, you know, And how close Travis was to his brother, it was like no, why you know, but that I'm not going to throw like slide against his brother. But that's another thing too.

50:38 It's like a lot they always say the killer returns to the scene of the crime a lot, And yeah, that's true. I feel like that would be one thing that people start looking at like somebody that even if you would watch any type of movie, the person that's always on your side is the one that's fucking you over. Yeah, but normally the one that hates you the most. Hence, his friends, the people that he was with, are the ones that actually don't want harm to you, right. Well, that's the thing. Most of the guys in the work crew. The thing that they were most upset about when it was all said and done was that someone had told the press that when they showed up to the police, they were all crying, and they didn't want people to know that they were crying. That was what they were upset about. They said that after the fact, they were angry that that couldn't have just been left out. They didn't want people knowing that they were crying. But at the time they showed up, they saw something absolutely unbelievable. They saw their you know, maybe not a friend, but there their coworker literally just gets sucked up into this weird thing. They have no idea what they're what they're looking at, or what happened. And they showed back up. They go to the authorities and they're literally like bawling their eyes out because they're upset and they're trying to explain it, and it even they knew how crazy it fucking sounded. But the

52:10 one thing that later on that happened to Travis Walton that I found very strange was that in an interview he let slip because someone had asked him, like, do you think they still check on you? And he's never been a person that's like, he's never like set there and thrown out all these crazy theories. You know, if you if you watch his like track record, there's a lot of guys out there that have capitalized off of this topic big time. But Travis Walton kind of just does his own thing. You know, he kind of tells his story. Here's what happened to me. I don't know if it's going to help, but you know, but he said that he don't know if they check on him, but one weird thing did happen, and he said it he's it was the only time he ever suspected that they might check in on him. Every down again, he said, it's when his little boy, he was like a toddler. I guess he was a little bitty fellow. They had one of those bedrails upon his bed or whatever. In the middle of the night, his little boy went to climb out of bed and slipped and slid down into it, catching himself in the neck. And he was hanging off the side of the bed, suspended by his neck in this bar. He basically was choking to death and couldn't even scream out. And Travis said that something woke him up from a dead sleep to the point where he was already standing up, and he went straight

53:45 in that room and got his little boy and saved his little boy's life. And he said he just sat there and just like even now when the man tells the story, he can't tell it without like literally getting physically shaken by it. Even though it's it's all these years ago, he still can't let go of that that moment when he almost lost his son. Yeah, And he said that as time went you know, there's the shock of it. It just he couldn't sleep very well. He was getting up and checking on his son all the time, and he was like he could not get over it, you know. But as time went on, he was like, what what woke you know, what woke me up? Because even his best friend is a super big skeptic, and he's like, you know, it's my best friend, you know what I mean. He's like, he's it's just my best friend, and it's it's okay, you know. And his best friend said, he's like, maybe you heard something. Maybe you just don't remember hearing it, but you heard something. And Travis's response was, you know, maybe I did. I don't know, maybe I did, but he said, is sure. Is weird that out of a dead sleep he just wakes up, standing up already and go straight to his kid's room like he was on autopilot again, the same way he was when he was walking down that mountain that day. Yeah. I think the story is fascinating.

55:14 I think it's it's absolutely fascinating. I do think it was a case of wrong place at the wrong time, you know. I think that if they were there and they were doing something, then I think he just got kind of caught in the wrong, wrong spot, you know, googling his eyes up at this crazy looking ship, and then something happens. You know, I got some pictures to show you from it. Let me make sure I'm hitting the right This is the movie's depiction of the Aliens. If you guys had never seen it. Now here's another angle of it, kind of kind of weird. I don't know, I don't know what's of that.

56:00 It's kind of kind of a world simulator. That's probably a coincidence. But uh, let's see what else we got here. Uh. To the left is Benny and Barney Hill. Betty and Barney Hill. Um, that's a that's another story that happened what ten years prior, I think, very similar circumstances. And this is some of the guys on the right that uh in that work crew. Let's see here. What else do I got here? Yep, here's one of the newspapers that was put out about the about the story. Uh. And this is the phone booth where they found Travis and I thought I had more. I think here's an artist depiction of the like the actual scene what they saw. Wow, so that that would be absolutely terrifying. Yeah, So another another newspaper clipping here, you can you can kind of when you look through these these newspaper clippings, you kind of get the sense that everybody was kind of taking their shots at him like a big time, you know, except for the people that were there. The people that were there the people that experienced it with them, the town um not so much. They they didn't really they didn't really pick at him for it.

57:31 They kind of I think the thing was is that there was a big, big detail that came out um that kind of put a little bit of a kink in the wheel. I guess when it comes to like the possibility that they hoaxed, it was that multiple counties saw the craft and there was I think they said fourteen. I might be wrong on this number, but I thought it was fourteen eyewitnesses from different places saw the craft. It wasn't just a work crew, and that was That was a big part of it.

58:14 That was a big deal because you know, you can go out in the middle of woods and say you saw anything. Yeah, if nobody was with you, there's nobody to prove that you didn't. The only thing that I like, there's questions that are inside the story that I really want to know. Yeah, it's like, okay, what were they, what were they doing? What was this accident that happened? What was this bright light? What were they what was this spacecraft doing that could have caused him and like that caused him harm? Yeah, So like what was the big bright light that they shot down, Like if they wasn't intentionally trying to get hit like pull him up in the beginning, what were they doing? What was doubt like like maybe was them trying to take off when they saw the truck come, But why wouldn't they have lifted off, Like the craft stayed where it was and never moved an inch after its shot that shot that beam, like yeah, yeah, a fighter jet blows a flame long before it takes off, So I mean, the only thing is is, like, how would they have noticed that like that quick that they hit something like yeah, I like, I know, I'm I'm I'm grasping at straws here. I wouldn't say that that's an excellent question because I'm just like wondering because this is the only one that I'm not entirely sure if there's other incidents where beams are

59:46 light. The only time I've heard of a beam of light coming out of a spacecraft is that somebody's like the beings are trying to pick something up. Yeah, yeah, tractor beam, Like that's the only thing. But a bright light shooting down like lightning or just just light itself that actually caused damage to something like knocked him back. Yeah, so that for a second, I played with the idea of I mean, you got a bunch of young guys. They're looking up at this thing. It's not that far away. What if he picked up a rock and these are forestry guys, bub they might have been armed. What if they pulled the pistol and shot. You know, you're talking guys that are in the woods for days. They don't just a lot of times, the forestry guys don't just go up and come home every night. You know, they go up and they're there at camp working for days on end. Right, there's some dangers out there. I mean, this would be a detail that you'd probably leave out of the story.

1:00:52 Popping rounds off at flying things and the skies. I mean, there's there is the possibility that looked highly upon for sure. Yeah. The only other thing I was thinking that they were they could have been drilling in a way you do the ships. The ship Maybe I don't. I mean, who knows, remember, like, okay, well that's another thing. Remember the one in Michigan. The couple that saw the one sucking water up into its craft. Right, Uh, maybe this is a different like different like idea of it. But maybe they were there was something under the ground that they wanted or I don't know. I like I said, I feel like I am grasping at straws, But I'm just wondering what was Like what was it an accident? Was it intentional? I don't think that. You said where all this took place? It was just a national forest? Hang on, I get you that. Yeah, I'm kind of apache sit Grieves National Forest. Where's that located? Uh? That says here it's east central Arizona.

1:02:07 Uh into the US state of New Mexico. Okay. Uh. So he was near Snowflake, Arizona when this happened. So and another thing too, is like if we were talking like that, That's why I was wondering if he had any like that was sorry, I'm scattered to bring here. Um, if he had any medical problems prior right to this, because remember we talked about missing four one one the UFO connection. Remember the one guy that he had scars all up and down of his uh his lungs, all right, and these were scar tissue like this will never go away, Like I can't remember what was scar tissue from radiation burn? Is like once it happens, it's that's there, and they were gone. The next time they did that, like they did X rays and they saw that there was no scar tissue on wild. Yeah, that's that's wild. Like how how could that have happened? And it's just I don't know, And it's just like the like the ladies, Like how did they get radiation burned in the middle of like the middle of nowhere right, Like there's like I'm not really familiar with it. Like could there be random pockets of radiation just happening out of nowhere? It'd be worth looking into. I mean you would think though, if that was a thing that was happening out there, that radiation pockets might

1:03:37 happen. People would say something, you know, yeah, and like that would keep happening, probably wherever the sources the first time. Yeah, there would be multiple yeah, multiple people when when they you know, for sometimes when people have like tumors and their lungs and stuff. Uh, sometimes they'll use radiation to shrink the tumor so that they can use chemotherapy to kill it easier. I know this is I'm dumbing this down big time. I know, this is way more complex than that but one of the major side effects of radiation treatment is the burning sensation in the lungs and the shortness of breath.

1:04:18 Yeah, you know, and it's they have to use steroids to get rid of the inflammation of the lungs, and it's what is it a quarter of steroid, like you know what I mean, like a super quartis you know what I mean? Yeah? And uh, I thought when I when I you know, when I was listening to the to his story and he said that when he couldn't breathe when he woke up in the ship, I was like, damn, dude. So they they straight up zapped his ass with some kind of like focused radiation because you got to think that some of these people that get radiation burned on their lungs, I mean, they're doing multiple treatments and it builds up over time, and this dude got that all at once. So I mean, regardless of if it was aliens or something else, he definitely went through some crazy shit and other people saw it.

1:05:15 So it's like that to me was like, I mean, take aliens completely out of this, you know what I mean, Like, remove aliens as a possibility, and you've got something majorly fucked up that happened to this man, you know what I mean? Like, I mean, yeah, one other thing that it keeps biffloing me. Okay, these are supposed to be superior beings. They've traveled light years, oh like from where they came from to here to do whatever they want to. Yeah, but there's always some type of case of radiation. Why like did they become more like they're so vanced, but they still use some type of nuclear style energy in their crafts?

1:06:03 And is is okay, what's the only thing? Like, it's uranium the only thing that really produces radiation. The biggest factory like nuclear radiation factory ever is like all during the day it's just floating there in the sky like we get bombed by radiation like like endlessly. But going back to your question, I'd actually have to ask you like a question in return. You said, they say these these are advanced beings. Okay, who who said that?

1:06:44 I'm not saying that, you know what I mean? Yeah, I'm assuming like yeah, I'm assuming that, and other people are assuming that. But wouldn't you that's actually a good basis to go off of because we haven't done this type of travel right, like, there is no way. We are far from even being able to make it to Mars. Do you know what the live like to be having a man made or yeah, manmade uh spacecraft that can travel light years away or even like just so far and be able to survive the trip. Yeah, like we are not even close to it. So that's why I'm using my bases off of much more advanced They could possibly be about one hundred years by our scale, a hundred years we went from walking and riding carriages and shit to fucking space shuttles, you know what I mean. Now take that same scalability. All right, let's just measure in horsepower. Measure in horsepower right there, dude, we can do all the math with horsepower. At this point, you could say that walking you're like what a tenth of a horse power? You know what I mean?

1:08:05 Like you're you're like a tenth. And that's where we started. We fucking walked everywhere, you know, we it sticks and we walked. It's like all the Lord of the Rings movies. You just walked the whole way. All right. We got horses and we went up to one horse power. So if you if you're using my shit math here as a basis, we went ten times the travel ability just by learning how to ride a horse. That's fair, all right. So you take the horse and you say, like, man, I wonder how long it would take me to ride a horse all the way to like, you know, I'm in I'm in Russia. How how long would it take me to ride all the way to Africa if your horse lived? Probably a long goddamn time. Or we hop on a boat, catch some wind and we sail. I don't know, let's just use some shiit math here. Let's just say twenty five horses there.

1:09:10 I'm probably off here, but whatever, you know, we're scaling, all right. So this sail on a good windy day, it's giving us twenty five horses of power. It's probably not right, but for the sake of argument, I'm looking it up. All right. Awesome, all right. So then we get to the point where we're, hey, let's we're making steam engines. We don't even need the fucking wind. So when the wind dies and this guy over here is just sitting out in the middle of the fucking ocean, we're just put putt put right past him. We might not be as fast, but we're steady on and we go to trains, and from trains came a whole new industry. Then we go to automobiles, and then we go to fucking Tesla's, then we go to fucking spaceships and airplanes and jets. Well, because I've got some really interesting stuff here, well you got all right, so I have a mathematical way to figure this out. Now, all sales produce point two horsepower per square foot. Holy shit? Right, Okay, so right, so if you're point two per square right, if you had a ten foot sale, you'd have twenty horsepower, So your math is not far off, far off. Okay, that's that's pretty good math. He knew that the whole time. He just wanted to make us. Actually guessing the math here is gonna be a little a

1:10:41 little bit harder for me, Like I'm not even gonna try it. But your Space shuttle horsepower thirty seven million horse power, and we could probably figure out, Like I don't know if this is this is a doable thing, but let's see, how long did it take us to go from walking for the Space Shuttle. Well, I don't think I don't think anybody's asked this before, I thought maybe it would pop up, you know what I mean, Like when when did humans first start riding horses? And then when was the first man made rocket? That's I feel like that would probably be your first West duck domesticated horses six thousand years ago, all right, six thousand years, six thousand years and we rode those all the way up to the Industrial age, all right, So if we can figure out because you got to think once we hit industrial the Industrial age, everything sped up. Yeah, we weren't just you know, hand making everything anymore. Now we've got machines to make machines, to make machines to make machines. And now, I mean, you look at this man. Three D printers have become a

1:12:13 thing, you know what I mean. It is a matter of time, and even as of right now, I'm probably reporting this late, it's a matter of time before people are able to three D print or three D printers. If you can three D print a three D printer, you've almost solved space travel because you no longer have to send a crew out. You send an AI or a program with three D printers so it can harvest its own ship and make the things it needs to explore and send ship back to us. The first man, a human, first human to enter space was nineteen sixty one. Yeah, first human inner space nineteen sixty one. And we were still riding horses all the way up till went to nineteen hundreds, nineteen hundreds. I mean, if you don't if you're discounting locomotives, you know, but if you're looking at just like the automobile and then and then the first like first lunar landing was nineteen sixty nine, so eight years later.

1:13:30 Yeah, that is handsome. Here, just look at the hundred year past where it's sit right now, it's twenty twenty three. Go to nineteen twenty three, and look at the difference in our technology in just one hundred years and something that's we're only talking to generations. Yeah, we're about to back then. They were about to have an economic crisis in the next five years. Yeah. All I'm saying is when I said that they might be as early as one hundred years ahead of us, we had we had model T forwards in nineteen twenty three. Yeah, we have no idea like if they we have red eye Hillcats right now. Yeah, we went fifteen horsepower to eight hundred horsepower on tap right reliable. That's not even like the highest horse power of vehicles out there. Yeah, that's just a readily available one right your pockets. And we have recreational vehicles that people build themselves with twice that in horsepower, oh way more, you know what I mean? Two thousand horsepowers not uncalled for. Yeah, that's what you're saying, Like your top fuelder exters exactly. But when we get above was it like two hundred miles an hour, that's like when we steering is out the fucking question. Yeah, it's like going that as will just agree. You're you're maintaining I mean,

1:15:03 you're not gonna sharp right yeah. Yeah, Like why there's a he's the vice president of our company and his motorcycle goes well over two hundred miles per hour, like two twenty three. He's a record holder. He races every weekend and wins a lot. You know, they say after two hundred holes, especially on a bike, they said, that's when you start to you create like weightlessness in your bike, like you actually want to be strapped to that thing. I mean you think it'll fly off if you're if you're doing two hundred and twenty three miles an hour on a motorcycle and you're in that like lean forward position, and you had the unfortunate event of the front of your shield on your helmet opening up and you open your mouth, your asshole would look like a parachute right behind you. You know. Yeah, all I was getting at with all this was just that, Yeah, we have no idea when they entered their industrial age, because you could we could say like, oh god, this species has been out there for tens of millions of years. That's that's fine. How long have they been making good shit? Though? Right? You know that? Were they making computers that whole time? Or were they kind of doing it like us? Were they kind of just walking around and even stuff with six smelling their finger? And even then, let's let's back up on this. When I hear this happened in nineteen seventy five, how much has changed since nineteen seventy five for US?

1:16:31 Yeah, nineteen seventy five Corvette put out one hundred and twenty three horsepower. You know, right, we have no idea if if they're a work in progress the same as US people. I've heard the argument where people say, do you remember when it used to be flying saucers? Yeah, now it's I think I've made it. I've made a lot on the show. Yeah, is that there you go? The what we see in the sky changes over time. It's like Bigfoot got bigger, Bift got bigger. Yeah, we got bigger. The ships change shape, and in one case you could say like Bigfoot getting bigger. I feel like embellishments, you know what I mean. If somebody saw something, it might have freaked him out and it might have looked like the fucker was nine feet tall. But in this we're dealing with possibly a technological race, right, And if it's a techno technologically inclined race that's actively exploring, their technology is going to get better and better just like ours. They're not just gonna be like, hey we got to this man, let's just fly the US. But I feel like another thing too, is like we we use a lot of our technology for entertainment too, and I feel like it like it's almost sometimes they will start out as entertainment and then it will it will seep into like like military style stuff too. But I will but that does depend because like tablets were like probably

1:18:04 in the like nineties and the two like the early two thousands before we even saw them. Yeah, I mean, and we can we can thank NASA for battery technology. You know, the entire reason cordless drills exist is because of NASSA. Yeah, yeah, they had the first ones. I believe they're Panasonic too. But battery technology is what limits a lot of what we do, and it's grown in the last ten years. But what I was like trying to say there was we use a lot of ours for technology, and that that like, well, entertainment. What doesn't say that these actually they strive for that's all their money goes to. It's not goes to anything really else other than leaving their planets studying the universe. What if what if we're looking at this all wrong? We probably are, well I know, I am. What if it is entertainment. What if this you know, this uh, this thing that happened to Travis wasn't a research vessel. What if it was like, you know, a cruise ship. Yeah, we have no idea, I mean, yeah, or two teenagers stole Dad's car

1:19:34 or two teenagers stole Dad's car. If if that's the case, then it does explain why the ships have changed. Yeah, because not all ships would be the same. It's why that, like a police car doesn't look like my car sitting outside, right, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, I'm I don't walk outside and hopping my you know, my maserati. Yeah, we're not basically just my Chevy crews for the most part. We're not driving deuce and a halfs and houmvies to work either, you know. Yeah, yeah, you know. So there's that, and then there's the other possibility that this isn't alien to the planet at all. There's the possibility that this is an in house thing. And maybe that's why there was such a smear campaign against it. That I thought of that, I actually thought of something similar to that. Well, maybe they were testing something, you know, maybe it wasn't maybe it wasn't a spaceship. Maybe it was some of the very first silent helicopters. Yeah, I did, uh, you know. A while back up buddy of mine had it. He actually had a really insightful thing because I was saying, like, yeah, we never know, it could be the government. It could be the government testing fucking top secret advanced stuff. And he goes he said, you know, I'm on board with that idea because it's reasonable, but I can't help but wonder where they fucking got the idea. I mean, he's like if they were, like if they found something and they're like, hey, you know,

1:21:06 let's just kind of let's just nix that, but let's figure that out so we can use it. I mean that seems a little alien X marketa. You know, yeah, because we invent stuff all the time without having it being inspired by some outer worldly thing, you know, I mean we do it. The three of us do it. You know, we invent sounds right to go together. You know, we may be you know, we may have originally been inspired by other other bands and other musicians, but there's stuff that we make. This sounds like nobody else, right, you know. So do you think it's far fetched to think that if they found a ship that they wouldn't try to backwards engineer it. No. I absolutely believe they would in a heartbeat and absolute heartbeat. But I also believe that Henry Ford didn't find a model T in the woods. You know. Shit, Yeah, so you know there's there's that, so like, you know, well, I mean, he wasn't the first automaker. But you know, still like whoever, whoever, what was it? Was it Mercedes, right, Diamelard Benzo. Wasn't it the very first automobile? I can't remember one of the first somebody thought of this ship, somebody thought of it.

1:22:21 Yeah, somebody decided horses aren't the way to go. We gotta go somewhere else with this, you know. Yeah, it comes from something, but it doesn't necessarily come from kind of like when they it's like my whole problem when they when they were talking about Roswell, They're like, oh, we recovered a spacecraft, you know, And I'm like they were like, oh, it's a crash landed spacecraft. And I'm like, kind of seems like kind of a shitty ship if it crash landed here, you know what I mean, Like, what the hell were what was going on on that thing? You know? But I've always wondered my myself, like, okay, advancement and technology and stuff like, okay, think of like the person that invented the the internal combustion engine, like just thinking about that, like telling that to somebody, like pitching the idea. Okay, I think that we could take the same premise of our steam powered engines. Yeah, but we have many explosions in different compartments. That pushes this rod that goes up and down like pushes the cylinder Like this thing goes down and it pushes it and puts like like it spends this chaff that goes out to here. It's like, how do you get to that that? I know that there's a lot of R and D that goes into something and then thinks of it. But like how fast it came out of Like it hadn't like it wasn't like specially it had its own problems. But that's what I'm saying. It's like how could you what? Person just sat there? It's like this, holy crap,

1:23:56 I yes, this is what I need to make And how do you even? Like where do you go? Where do you start? It's crazy like but that's why I feel like a lot of these technologies today there's not that really creative like vision anymore. It seems like it's kind of rehashed. Like okay, what is something that is like everywhere now? Security cameras like like doorbell like the ring. Yeah, that's yeah. He took two technologies, a wireless camera and a doorbell and put him together like that's cool, it's innovative, but he's rehashing old technology and I feel like that's I feel like, but I feel like that's the same thing. Like we haven't really I don't feel like we have thought of anything new. Like that engine that you were talking about last episode, that's new, that's something fucking new.

1:24:56 Actually had to follow up about that for you guys. Turns out the NASA and DARPA are going to be testing a nuclear engine that's specifically for travel to Marsh. Yeah. It's like I think, I want to say, this is the first nuclear engine that they're going to actually build for space travel. It's pretty wild. It is, well, I can't imagine what the horsepower on that thing is going to be space horses And wait until like, yeah, like a hundred years later, freaking rat rodders are going to start putting those nuclear engines in their fucking cars somehow, I want to say, Like the automotive industry, those fuckers are very innovative. They they're like, dude, I want okay, I need I don't need this. I don't need this so much weight. I need to go fast. It says here that DARPA is going to be building this as a thermal nuclear rocket, and it's gonna allow for faster transit times between Earth and Mars and the Moon and Mars.

1:26:06 Isn't it like six months right now? Like that was the but we actually have to like it's assist a six months interval, Yeah, from Earth to Mars because it's the alignment. Wait till they slap this bad boy on there. They'd be like, you want to go to Mars. We get you here in fifteen minutes. But yeah, I don't know, but uh, you're like your tuna fish Sam, which is flying behind you. Just wait till like their CDL courses and stuff for like you know, truck driving back and forth to Mars and you're like, hey, I can't check my mirrors. Man, why this the fucking G force? Like it would suck a swift super spaceship I've put out on the moon, a Swift. Yeah, guys, it's a We got an hour and twenty something into this one.

1:27:12 I feel like I feel like we went the mother of all tangents and I had another part of this. Sorry, that's whatever. I just wanted to get your guys reactions. I love, like love these actual ones that it creates like thought process like you, yeah, like the reason behind the whole whole thing. So no, what, I'm just gonna shut up because if I start talking, I'm just going to keep going. We're gonna get into a whole thing about space horses. It's it's kind of like when I started about the whole space horse uh the time thing last episode. Gibbs called me out on it. Yeah, it's like, don't do that an episode.

1:27:54 No, we don't do that. No, I do have to give myself a reaction to I think I did the math wrong on your sale. I think it's actually two horsepower, not twenty? Is it too? Yeah? This uh this like post COVID muddy brain shit. Yeah, I'm not used to this. Like I'm usually really good at math, and I've been making a lot of mathematical errors recently. I don't know, I don't know what's going on with that, but yeah, I believe it. I believe I did the math wrong on that because how and to help if it's point two horse per se, how could the number be bigger than the square foot every every ten feet would be use I'm redacting myself. Yeah, it's still I mean it still works with the scaling anyway, you know what I mean?

1:28:36 Yeah, I can live with it. Every ten foot a sales, two horse power. There you go. So but if you have some big ship with tons of sales, I mean yeah, you could get twenty you could get twenty horse yep, there you go. All right, Well, you guys out there, take care of each other, you know, don't. Uh oh, he's got a question. No no, no, no, I no no, I'm just wanting to kill this. It was just something about the sales. But just go ahead. What about the sales? I mean, I just wanted to know. Is it like if you have multiple sales, does that up with it? Yes, that's the square footage of each sale. Yes, so if you had one hundred square foot of sale, which is not hard to do, A four by twelve sheet is forty eight square foot, you know, so if you have one hundred square foot of sale, you have a twenty horsepower. That's okay, that's nice.

1:29:31 Okay, yea end it because I feel like I just keep talking. I'm sorry. Sorry, all right, I'm gonna tell you guys by before Tyler thinks it's anything else, take care of each other. We'll see on the next one. Wow, sail you guys. Joke, yeah, joke. I had to myself you were