S107: Nephilim, Sasquatch, and the mystery of the Hollow Earth.

Participant #1:
Like we got touched by mother nature with this weather storm, snow storm, snow apocalypse 2021. It is here. It's upon us. That's was one big reason why we haven't been able to post here recently. Another, like, just life getting in the way. You just moved. I did, yeah. You finally got a long time coming. You got to move to your farm. How is it over there? It's very peaceful. I mean, it's obviously giant. Changing the way of life. Yeah. Now, I don't want to say we're off grid because we're connected. You know what I mean? We're connected. Yeah. We're connected to shore power. But for example, I took a shower today with five gallon boiling pot, and it was amazing. One thing, it was like, maybe realize how much water we waste in our day to day life being connected to the grid. But the pipes are frozen, so it's kind of necessary right now. But I love it. It's awesome out here. It's very peaceful. Everybody just kind of leaves you alone, you know? But if you need somebody, you know, and you yell, here they come. You know what I mean? They'll leave you to your privacy. But if you need help, they're right there. That's nice. I get to that part of my journey. It's pretty amazing, but I know people listening is probably thinking the same thing once they heard all that stuff. You're in the hills of Kentucky. Yes. On how many acres? We're on 13, but 13 total family acreage is 100 something. Hundred acres. Okay, so 100 acres. So, like, in a way, like, how many acres you think are actual, like, living area? Oh, God. Less than probably 20% of that. 20%. Okay. So there's a lot that hasn't really been touched other than probably trail riding and just walking and hiking and stuff of that nature. With that being said, I know you've been working on this farm for a while. I know they're thinking, have you heard anything? Have you heard anything out here? Yeah, seen too. That would be awesome. If you actually saw something, I think you would be a little bit more excited. Since we've been talking about all this stuff, I have yet to see a sans watch out here. I actually feel like if I did see one, it would probably scare the shit out of me, but it would be exciting. No sand squad sightings, no nothing. But I tell you what, after we started this podcast, I do look at every single footprint I see, and I'd be lying if I said that I wasn't looking for the big 1516 footprint with big toes. Herd wise, though, we hear stuff all the time out here. Dogs and farm animals, things like that. One afternoon, though, while I was out here, I heard what like if you go back to our first episode, we were talking the lead, and he talked about the sound. The whoop sound? Yeah. I could have sworn I heard that. And I stopped in my tracks when I heard it and I thought, that's a dog. And it never did it again. So I'm like, okay, I don't know any dogs that bark one time and never bark again. Was it a Sasquatch? I have no idea. But it was enough for me to stop and go, what the hell was that?

Participant #1:
Other than that there's a bunch of footprints and stuff around our animals. And I saw one for a second. I actually stopped and stared at it for the longest time because I'm like, I found my brain trying to see the toes and see the Sasquatch footprint. And then I was like, you know, this stuff just got into my head and I feel like I'm going to be looking for footprints and sounds like that everywhere. So far it's been all clear, all quiet, no Sans watches around that I can tell. And if they are, they're keeping to their self listeners out there. I will say this. We moved, you know, my family packed up everything we owned and put it in a couple of containers, big containers, and we moved out here to the farm. We're building a house, but temporarily. We're living in this gigantic camper and it's been a big change of life. But we've been trying to figure out how to keep going with the podcast during all this and so far this is the best thing we've come up with. We are on Discord right now, talking over the internet. We're not in the same room this time. Yeah, we're not in the same room. We're doing what we have to get some episodes out to everybody and really appreciate everybody that subscribed and been listening to the episodes like crazy. I can't believe how big of a response we've gotten. I know I say that every time, but I really mean it really humbling. We really appreciate it and we're going to do our very best to keep putting out episodes and more content for you guys and keep diving into the unexplained. Not just in the cryptozoology, though. We're going to be diving into all kinds of stuff. Hey, Tyler, since we haven't really got to do this in a while, what have you been researching? Well, I was going to start talking about it, but I think we always do this. But if any of these topics that we talked tonight, please always send us your stories. If you have anything that comes with kind of piques your interest, you've researched it, you know somebody that knows it, send an email@encounterskyxfiles.com. Lately I've been kind of figuring out what's the thing I kind of wanted to get out of the realm of crypto slightly.

Participant #1:
I really haven't read too much into any of these two things, but like flat earth. Yeah, I see a lot, but one that hasn't really piqued a lot of interest lately. I know there's always somebody talking about flat Earth and all that stuff, but the one I haven't heard too much about is the Hollow Earth theory. Hollow earth theory. It is funny how that flat Earth got so much fame, it got so much fame, but Hollow Earth is just sitting there quietly. It's an older theory. Yeah, because no one believes that. Because the way that they make it sound is that we have our Earth's crust and then there's another world on the inside of it. Because for one thing is we've only been 7 miles. The deepest hole in the world is like in Russia somewhere, and it's capped off. And they always said that there's like these tunnels and stuff of that nature. And it kind of clicked to me that we actually been talking about it on the podcast in Mammoth Cave. There's so many reports of missing people going through that. And I know, I think I'm going to go back on this, I said it wrong. There's about 80 miles of caves, like back caves at Mammoth Cave, but they're saying that there's about four to 600 miles that are not mapped. There's so many things I was reading, like, people used to call this the haunted chambers, the giants coffin, the devil's looking glass, the bottlenest pit. So you don't give these names to something that has nothing weird to it. Right. You just mentioned that we've had so many reports of missing people around Mammoth Cave. I was putting together a theory the other day, just kind of spitfalling, and I kept thinking I was on the YouTube and I was listening to dog man encounters on YouTube. It's a really good YouTube channel. The guy who runs his BIK, he puts together a lot of stories and very interesting stuff. And some of the stories are creepy as hell. But I noticed something, I'd say nine out of ten stories that I listened to was that the creatures in the story come across a person, or vice versa. Person comes across this creature, this dog man, and nothing really happened. There's some intimidation there's. Like the closest encounters I've seen, the dog man smells them and then it moves on. And then I got to thinking, I was like, what if we see like, the missing four? One one, there's missing people everywhere and these guys are with people and kids are with people and they're just gone. And I thought, what if they're accidentally slipping into another place like that? Maybe it's a Hollow earth. And what if these Sasquatches and dog men and some of these other crazy out there creatures that are being reported, what if they're from there and it's the same thing, it's happening to them?

Participant #1:
Yeah. They're not here to take somebody or to cause panic. They just got lost. Yeah. And they're walking around and they see a human and they're like, what the hell is that? That's another thing too, because remember our first episode, we just mentioned Lee. He said that he thinks that they burrow. Yeah, he thought that they burrow under the ground. And then later on, Candace said that she saw them going right down into the ground. She said some type of light too, a light source came there. And there's so many depictions of detailed, just drawings of the Hollow Earth. They're saying that there's a light source, there's a central sun inside the Earth. Maybe they do. I don't know. That's the core. I can understand that. It could be that because of the core, we all know from like I can't say that we know personally, but we know that we have an inner and outer core. And the outer side is magma and middle is metal. Metal, right. So I can see that making a light source, but how's it contained. But then that goes to another idea. There are some people saying, too, that even with the laws of gravity, you can still walk on the inside of the surface of this and it would not feel any different cave systems. They're still subject to the same laws of gravity that everything else is. And you can walk around inside caves just fine. So I could see it. Like you said, we've only been, what, seven, seven and a half miles down? And the center of the Earth is what, 4000 miles away. A lot of stuff could probably happen in that distance, in my opinion. Another thing too, but what I can't get past is the amount of water that is sitting on this. What is keeping is it like a reverse pressure, like the water is pushing down and the land or water is pushing up. Like there's no caverns that like, at these ocean or that's another thing, too. That's another theory. It's just in itself. They say that we've mapped more of outer space than we've mapped of our own waters. Yeah. So all these, like, these creatures that we probably, like they said, like the giant squid.

Participant #1:
Oh, sorry. Cut that out. Okay. Or what about the Loch Ness monster stuff of that nature? These are like fissures coming through this inner world. Yeah. I feel like it's kind of bringing

Participant #1:
a little bit of dreaming and reality together here. It's crazy because we really don't know. You don't want to take it like saying, like, oh, yeah, there's totally a Hollow Earth, and there's so many. There's a civilization living under us right now. There's a lot of people that believe there is. You get back into the some of the conspiracy theories of the lizard man. Yeah, they control the government. Right? They control the government. Mitch McConnell is totally a lizard man. Mitch McConnell. I'm your buddy. I'm your buddy. These stories have piled up. There are so many, and they're not just recent, they go back. Ancient Japan has their own hollow. Earth histories and legends. Greek mythology had theirs. The Norse mythology had theirs. Yeah. What was it? We are considered Medgar metal earth. We are considered the center. Yeah, there were realms of giants, there was realms of all kinds of things. And that kind of goes to some people believe that we're not on the outside, we're actually on the inside. You told me a little bit about that one, and it's hard for me to get behind me personally, too, but I'm like, I have no proof of seeing it. I listened to this second hand, and I never dug deeper into it, but I was like, that's a weird thing. I just don't see it. But I don't know. I've never personally been up into space. That's like going on and saying, just because I didn't see the moon landing personally, I'm going to say it's fake, but I'm not saying that I don't believe it's fake or what of that nature, but I still have questions. It could be fake. I don't know. It could be. It could be. But that's somebody's realm of, like, do your own research, figure it out for yourself. Do you feel this in your bones? Like, I understand when you look into something, someone tells you some crazy thing. Yeah, it's so hard to believe, but at least just stand back and kind of look at it. Like, maybe there's something there. There may be something there. Maybe. Just don't take everything for face value, how plausible or implausible it is. We've had a history of contradicting sides that are equally tenacious. We've got the one side that says their myths and their legends are absolutely real, and they believe them, and that persists today in all kinds of things, you know what I mean? And then you have the other side that says, you know, this is absolutely false, and it is not true, and there's no scientific way. But hey, I mean, they didn't believe that. There was nobody believed of an evolution until Charles Darwin landed on Galapagos Island. That was a myth. That was a legend. You know what I mean? Nobody believed that different types of the same animal evolved differently. It was a myth. It was a legend. Everybody thought the cochleant I don't know if I'm saying that right. It was a prehistoric fish. They thought that it was extinct. It was extinct. It was long gone, wiped out or went extinct on its own. We don't know. And then out of nowhere, they discover one swimming around somewhere around Africa. They found one massive I mean, it floored everybody. This thing is still around. And then the question came up, well, what else could be? So when I look at this stuff, especially in regards to the Hollow Earth, I don't know. But all I'm saying is there are several, several thousands of years of people writing about this and talking about it all the way into I mean, there's into the Bible, into just ancient civilizations, like I said, early Greece in the north and all these different peoples believe in this. And then you have your other stuff, like the different depictions of the gods and whatnot, and the demigods of the underworld and many levels of hell as depicted in Dante's Inferno. There's so much to it. How could you basically only take the good out of these holy books and belief systems and then just kind of dismiss everything else? Yeah, that's the one thing that got me. So I love going into this stuff and I love learning about it.

Participant #1:
It's amazing. There's ancient cities that were rumored to have been, what was it? The Tibetan Buddhist, they had a myth where there was a city, shambala. I might be saying it wrong, I don't know, but it was located inside the earth. It was down under the earth somewhere, and that was like a sacred place for them. Even now, I'm flipping through and I'm reading a little bit, and it says in ancient Greek and ancient Greek belief, the concept of places and the origins of afterlife all came from the idea of the subterranean realm. Yeah, I think somebody was talking about the same thing, because even like one of the oldest religions out there, egyptian, they even depict going to the afterlife. They never said going up. Yeah, they always kind of depict it as going down. Right. That's kind of odd. They are considered like egyptians could be the first civilization as far as we could go back.

Participant #1:
Do they know something that we didn't? Because they were basically considered the frontliners. They are the true first encounters of something of this monstrosity, like how big this is and this is how life could have gone for them. But over time, I guess I just don't understand what was so bad, like, what could have made it bad that it never got passed down. Right. I think a point in the hollow Earth theories where it really, really unfortunately, it kind of collides with modern science. I don't think that either side is really entertaining. The thought of a kind of a give and take with this theory. I personally can't really buy into the idea that the entire earth is just hollow, just one big empty shell, you know what I mean? And modern science doesn't agree with that either. Modern science says that it's impossible to have a hollow Earth because of gravity would collapse on itself. But a lot of the really, really passionate hollow earth theorists are saying that it is hollow, it's one big hollow thing, and there are levels to it. I think the problem is that nobody wants to kind of meet halfway on it and say, hey, well, what about cave systems? I mean, we know that there's caves that are big enough to put a city in. Yeah. Why aren't we considering that possibility that there are cave pockets all over this planet and there could be things living in those caves? We don't really know. And I love it because it helps me with my own theory that the Sancho and the cryptids that I'm interested in, they might be from somewhere else, they might be coming up, or maybe they're just getting lost and ending up here. But some people do say that the laws of gravity still apply on the inside. They were saying that just as much as the gravity pulls, it pushes out too. So they're saying that somehow that basically it's pushing against itself. Yeah, that's how it is. But especially all these drawings. What I don't get is that there's these holes at the top of these entrances. They say it's north and south. Yeah, I just don't know how is this because there was another thing too, is where they say a lot of places like Greenland going up into the North Pole and stuff, it will be in the negatives. It's so freezing there. But when they start getting so close to the North Pole, there's a random spike in heat. And they keep saying that, but then I keep going back to like, well, that's like I feel like a lot of people might hit me over the head of this, but the whole climate change like the own zone layer depleting. So that's why we're getting hot spots in the North Pole regions and stuff like that. What if we stoked the fire a little bit? Like I said, let's stoke the fire and let's say the Hollow Earth, okay? What if we the ones who started the belief, right? What if we didn't come from this level? What if we are from below? What if we found our way up here at some point? I don't know. I'm just saying, what if they say that there are several different levels and all that? What if at some point that the human animal decided to move up a level and out of the Hollow Earth and live on the surface of it? It would sure answer some questions if it was true. Like, okay, well, now we know where we got our other myths and legends of other creatures and things like that. But does the Earth's age itself, does it allow for that theory? You know, there's a lot of speculation on the actual age of the Earth and whatnot there's so much that is in the Earth and it's beta and mountains have happened and there's some folks out there that don't believe that the Earth is older than, say, 5000 years old. And that's just simply not enough time for some of the things that have happened. Yeah. I don't know, it's weird. What if we came up here 5000 years ago? Yeah, maybe we were inside and then we came to the outside. Yeah, maybe 5000 years ago we decided to come up to the top and that's where we just started it. We were like, okay, well, here we go. I don't know, I think it's pretty well the Hollow Earth is definitely an interesting subject. I'd love it. If we find anybody out there that's passionate about the subject that could get in here with us and educated, that'd be awesome. I really want to talk to somebody that is a little bit more knowledgeable about the subject that has given us some clarification, something that we didn't think about, like doing during this, like, little discussion. It's just weird because especially it's hard to talk about these things because there's not that much science behind it. Not too many scientists, even if they did believe it, they don't want to put their name on it because of how volatile it is. And that sucks because we need those types of people to help us understand if it's true or not, but they want to spend their time on stuff that they feel is more plausible than something of that nature. Two pop culture movies, what is that one? Journey to the center of the Earth. They've made a more of a fantasy world out of this, so no one really wants to take it seriously. I'm sure that it's considered now, although it was considered a real science in the is now considered a pseudoscience and no longer scientifically viable for hypothesis. That's the modern take on the subject. But yeah, still, if you got if there's people out there that believe in this stuff we are in Kentucky. We are near Mammoth Cave. I don't think we're not that far away from it. Yeah, we're a drive. Yeah, we're a little drive. But if you have any stories, any idea, like have any kind of like more, I guess, knowledge about the subject, please send us your story at encounters. Kyxfiles.com. Since I spewed out a long drawn out thing I was researching. Interesting. What about you? I have been interested lately in the

Participant #1:
Nephilim. The Nephilim? The Nephilim. So I remember that's a child of an angel yeah. Most depictions is that one of the parents I believe the father of the child would be an angel and the mother would be a human. And this was according to many belief systems, notably the Hebrew Bible, that this was a big no no. God said not to do this. He told the angel specifically, do not lay with the daughters of men. Some of the angels decided that they wanted to anyway. And the children that were brought forth from this union were known as the Nephilim, and they were described as large and strong giants. Some people called them the people of the forest. I told you the one quote earlier I really liked, where it said, the Nephilim that are walking through the forest breaking limbs. And that's the one that got me thinking. When I read that, the Nephilim walking through the forest breaking limbs, I couldn't help but think about our good buddy Lee and the other sasquatch enthusiasts out there that go out there research and come across broken branches. 15, 16ft, up and I started thinking, well, they described the Nephilim as large and strong people of the forest. Didn't they say that they were hairy too? Yeah, there's some descriptions describe them as large, hairy people of the forest. Other descriptions call them giants. Something kind of popped in my head earlier when I was thinking about this. Okay, so the Nephilim were apparently on the Earth and they were widely known. People just knew about them. And a man you may have, may or may not have heard of named Noah received a vision of a great flood. And supposedly the great flood was sent to get rid of the Nephilim and a bunch of other bad people. And I started thinking about that. I wondered if when everything was showing up at Oasark, did any of the Sasquatches actually make it onto the ship? You know what I mean? Or was they supposed to even was there a ticket? They didn't have a ticket. Yeah, so that's the thing. Whenever you hear about Sasquatch reports, I know there's going to be exceptions to this, but I've been through so many, I've been through more Sasquatch reports now than I ever cared to ever. And there's a common thing that keeps happening is people encounter them. If it seems to be kind of a standoff, then there's like the bluff charge, the intimidation, they want you out of there. Get away from me. And then the other encounters are more peaceful, more docile. They don't want to be messed with by humans. And I started thinking about that and I'm like, man, wouldn't that be interesting if that was the reason? The last time we did anything towards Ban, somebody sent a flood, maybe we'll just stay away from you guys. Then I started thinking, you know, again, it seems like they're predominantly pretty docile. They're more content, they're being left alone and doing their own thing. Were they that bad? Did they deserve a flood? I mean, if this is all true, the legends that have come from this, then was it really their fault they even existed at all? It seems like it was the fault of the angels and the people.

Participant #1:
Did maybe God see that before the end and say, you know what, go ahead and let a few of them on the Arc, let them go forward. They're not as bad as I thought, you know what I mean? I don't know. It's interesting though, because there's so much just like in the Hollow Earth thing, there's so much for the Nephilim.

Participant #1:
We live in a society where you got half of the people who want there to be a Sasquatch out there, and I think I knew why they want there to be that little bit of magic in the world, but then you got the other half that are just not convinced. They're not going to believe it because it's out there. It's crazy. I don't know, I guess in a way too if it could have been that way, they just brought the flood because he wanted to get rid of them. But what would happen if they that's the reason why we don't see as many is because a lot of them did perish, but a lot of them probably survive, like survived because just like our hollow Earth, what if they found these caves and hid yeah, there you go. Like they could have hid in caves and just waited it out and stuff of that nature. And maybe they were interacting too much with humankind. So now that's why they do not come near us. It's because they think that it will bring upon another flood that will kill the rest of their time. Right? Yeah. So that's like a way of thinking. It like in a biblical sense. Right. It says here the Vatican Library connect the origin of the Nephilim with the fallen angels, and in particular with the Aragory or the Watcher Angelsa. Sorry, an angel of high rank. He's described as leading the rebel sect of angels in a descent to Earth to have intercourse with human females. And it says here, the passage reads, and it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied in those days, were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. The angels, the children of heaven, saw and lusted after them and said to one another, come and let us choose wives among the children of men and beget us children. And Samyaza, who was their leader, said unto them, I fear you will not indeed agree to this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of this great sin. And they all answered to him and said, let us swear an oath and bind ourselves in a mutual implication, not to abandon this plan, but to do this thing. Then swear. They all together and bound themselves by mutual implications upon and they were an all 200 who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Herman. And they called it Mount Herman because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual implications on it. In this tradition, the children of Nephilim were called the Allowed, who are considered a separate race from the Nephilim. But they share the same fate of the Nephilim because I guess the Hebrew Bible looked at them as kind of evil spirits that were going to lead menacere. Okay. Yeah. It says the Book of Jubileeus 721 25 also states, ridding the Earth of the Nephilim was one of God's purposes for flooding the earth and know his time. And these work describes the Nephilim as evil giants. But hey, I mean, what if they got it wrong? Look at the Book of Job. There's some people who believe that maybe God was a little hard on Job and didn't quite need to do everything that he did to Joe. I just think that if that's the case, then it says that, hey, sometimes. Things happen and sometimes mistakes are made. But if there's a Sasquatch out here in the woods today and they are connected to the Nephilim in some way, that makes me think that if there is a God out there and he is a loving being, he must have looked into their eyes at some point and said, I changed my mind. But like I said, these are all just theories I've burned together here. You know what I mean? I don't know. I just think it's interesting that the Nephilim are so similar in description to the Sasquatch. And the story of these goes back. If you sub out the word Nephilim for giant, then you can actually take this into all kinds of different histories in mythologies and such. Like we said earlier, the Norse believed in giants and they believed in different kingdoms of giants. And the Native Americans believed in the giant. They still do. They believe in the giant forest people and they think that they've lived beside them all this time and they leave them to their own things all throughout history. The Irish, the ancient druids of the forest, the Hairy men, there's a lot there. And I got onto the subject because I thought it was really interesting. Like I said, the Nephilim walking through the forest, breaking limbs, I couldn't help but think about the tree structures people find and the branch is broken off and some people believe it's markers guiding other of their kind into migration or whatever. Very interesting. It's been keeping me sucked in. Yeah, again, the description just gets me every time. Large, powerful, bigger than a man, you know what I mean? Covered in hair. And some of the description there's another thing. I mean, if a Sasquatch coupled with a human female, do we know for sure that the female is going to give birth to a Sasquatch? Or is it going to be a really big kid? You know what I mean? There's a lot to believe that the DNA is so similar that it could go either way.

Participant #1:
Interesting stuff. We were talking earlier about the moon landing and they were circling back. Yeah, that got me thinking. I was on a website the other day, somebody had taken the old Patterson Gimlin film, that very first really good Sasquatch movie, right. You know, the one where they call her Patty and she's just walking across this and I saw this guy brought up he brought up every famous gorilla suit from

Participant #1:
they look like crap. They look bad. None of them look believable whatsoever. Right? And then you look at the Patty film and you can actually see muscles flexing in the legs and the sides and the arms. Thinker Thunker he pointed out the ratio of the arms and legs to torso. Then he said something about the nose. Yeah, that's because even if you're an artist, you do the same thing when you're depicting, because our eyes are level with our eyebrows are level with our ears. Our nose and our mouth are, like, kind of similar. There's small different variations of it, but it always ends up because a human skull doesn't change unless it's a deformity. Right. He put that same thing on the Patty one, and it clearly shows that the nose is higher up than where I think the nose is higher up compared to an actual human, a human one. Right.

Participant #1:
When I was looking at that, somebody had posted a picture of a large like, they built a life sized model of the gigantic pithecus. Right. If you type in giganticus on your computer, you can find this picture. Usually if somebody's standing next to it and it's standing there, the way they got it depicted it's holding a branch with one arm and it's standing up. My first thing when I looked at it was I was like, well, there it is. There's our nephilim right there. You know what I mean? But I've recently come to kind of backpedal on that, believe it or not. I just don't think the Gigantopithecus is relevant. And I know there's going to be a lot of people out there that just disagree with me there, and I fully respect that. But the problem with the gigantic panthecas is that it wasn't hominin. It was more related to the orangutan than it was anything else. And I just don't see it. I just can't see it being you know, everybody thinks that that was the blueprint for the Sasquatch. I just personally don't see it. I can't see it being

Participant #1:
related. I think that it's a different animal. Yeah, it was big and it's in the ape family, but I really just don't think that it's what we're looking for. And I actually think that researching the gigantic bike is bad. I think that all knowledge is good and we should push ourselves to learn as much as we can, but I don't think that the cryptozoology enthusiast I just don't think that the Gigantopithecus is I believe it's a dead end. Yeah. You think it's a descendant of the Gigantopithecus? There's a lot of people that think that the Gigantopithecus is kind of the culprit. Like a descendant of it would be the American Bigfoot or the Tibetan yeti. But I think that they get their related because they're in the ape family. And that's the bad part, is that most people who draw one or make a model of it, they typically do it in a gorilla like ape in the 600 pound range. Right. But again, it was closer related to orangutangs. And if you take a look at orangutang, you see that they're not really meant for walking upright, and they tend to not do it very often. They're really adept at traveling on all fours and kind of navigating the trees and things like that. And they're really, really smart animals, and they're really gifted as far as how they've evolved and how they survive. But when you talk about the American bigfoot, we're talking about possibly the most brilliant survival expert on the planet. Right? And it's like us, he kind of took an evolutionary turn for intelligence instead of survival, or instead of like built in survival, like claws and whatnot, he's walking upright. He's walking upright. So his feet are going to be different. For one thing, if you look in a ranga tank's foot, I don't know what it's called. I don't know what the toe is called. I always call it a thumb toe because I don't know the right word for it. I know that's ridiculous, but those are built for moving in trees. Even modern scientists who talk about the giganticus, they think that this animal might have stood up on its legs every now and again, maybe to look around or even reach up and grab something. But more than likely, he was a natural climber, that he would probably climb up and sit in trees and things like that. He was so big that probably most things left him alone.

Participant #1:
But I have a hard time accepting that giganticus is the culprit. Yeah, I feel bad for backpedaling on that, but I'm learning as I go. I'm learning and I'm just like everybody else. I'm coming to my own conclusions. And if I'm proved wrong and someone says, hey, we found the bigfoot, we talked to him. He says he's Jack antipethigus. I'll take his word for it. He'll know more than I will.

Participant #1:
This is odd. There's a part in the Bible, it's Genesis, of course. Isaac, the son, abraham's son, yeah. He was 42 years old when he took a bride. She basically gave birth to twins. The one that she gave birth to first, it says here it's called Genesis 20 518. The first came out red all his body like a hairy cloak. So they called his name,

Participant #1:
and then the second one came out, it was Jacob. But as they go on, it said Isaac was 60 years old when she buried him. When the boys grew up, whatever his name was was a skillful hunter and a man of the fields. Okay, but this is twins too. So could that can just be considered a birth defect or what? Yeah, it's hard to stay. That one was a little bit little jumbled there, right,

Participant #1:
with the picture of all this stuff. It's so hard because the Bible comes in a lot of riddles. I'm not trying to say anything bad about the whole Bible thing, it's fine. But it's more along the lines that they really don't get to the point. They're creating a story, like, if you will, an autobiography for the word of God. I can't say the word embellish. I feel like that's a little bit too much. But they're adding extra flair to it, so it's so hard to understand where it's coming from. But that one part seemed a little cut and dry. It was twins. One was covered in hair, and he was a skilled hunter and a man of the fields.

Participant #1:
It's interesting because

Participant #1:
if I'm not mistaken, wasn't Isaac

Participant #1:
yeah, I'm sorry, I'm kind of reading here, too. Yeah. At God's command, Abraham was to build a sacrificial altar and sacrifice his son Isaac upon it. Yeah. Why did God single out Isaac? Isaac was born covered in hair. No, Isaac, that's the father to this kid. Okay, so Jacob is who we're looking at. No, Jacob's the twin, because she buried him two children.

Participant #1:
It's Genesis 24. I don't know. What's the number? I guess one.

Participant #1:
Yeah. When her dates to give birth were complete, beholding, there were twins in the womb. The first came out red, all his body like a hairy cloak.

Participant #1:
Okay.

Participant #1:
Elder son of Isaac. Okay. Edge. In the book of Genesis, among his qualities were his readiness and noticeable heariness. Got you. But his twin, for some reason, it says after, like, Jacob was a skillful hunter, a band of the fields, while Jacob was a quiet man and dwelled in a tent. Okay,

Participant #1:
I feel like I might be going off topic here. We're talking a little bit more biblical stuff, and I don't know, this is my weird. Granted, I'm not too advanced on this. I would like to get somebody that's a little bit more knowledgeable about the Bible in general on this, because he can probably help us interpret some of this stuff a little bit more, because why did you have it up right now where it said that God because that was, like, a famous story that God spoke to. Abraham, give me a son.

Participant #1:
That's where the story ends for me. I don't know if he killed Isaac or didn't. Now, I'm reading here that he didn't. No, he didn't. Okay, so this is what I'm saying here, too. Did God know that he was going to give birth? His wife in the future would give birth to this child? Say you yeah. Isayu. I don't know. I'm guessing on the pronunciation. Yeah. Okay. That's something that I might have, like I feel like I'm taking so much out of I'm guessing I feel like a lot of people that have religion, it's going to hit me over the head with a roller. Well, hopefully someone who gets on here listens to this, and they say, hey, maybe I can shed some light on that. I don't know. That'd be great. That would be nice. I know from what I'm reading here that say you swore to his father that he would not hurt his twin brother, but after his father died, he hired mercenaries to attack and kill his brother. So I don't know, it's kind of weird. You know which brothers did that? The twins. No. Which one? Jacob did that? Yeah. Say you hired mercenaries to kill Jacob. Oh, shit. What a dick. Yeah, exactly. Sorry. I don't know. Who knows is this like a whole Cane and Abel thing going on here? Again, it seems like it seems like there's because I can see that it seemed like Isaac actually favored how'd you say his name is favored over Jacob because he was a very skillful hunter and a man of the fields. And Jacob was a quiet person. Just dwelled in this tent. Right. Didn't really do too much. I don't know. It's crazy to hear, but noticeable hairiness, that kind of gets me. If they said he was like 10ft tall or so, I'd probably yeah, I'd try to hit a lot more. They really don't depict what he looks like. Yeah, like how tall. They only said that he was hairy. That's about it. Right. So one thing is too, it's like they're twins. Unless we were saying along the lines of them being one's a Nephilim and one is not. I don't know that one. I don't know, man. That right there is a whole big can of worms. Again, if anybody out here listens to this and maybe can shed light on it, send us an email, hit us up. We want to know. Right here I found a compounded list of mentions of possibility of Bigfoot and san squatch all throughout the Bible. What you found with Genesis 25 25 and is descendants covered in hair. It says here these facts lead some to speculate. Creatures we call Bigfoot are actually modern day Edomites, having inherited traits of being a man of a field. Another theory involves Adam and Eve's son, Cain. Cain, of course, was the first murder, and he was cursed by God and condemned to be a restless wonder of the Earth. Some theorize that Bigfoot is descendant of Cain. Another theory traces the Sasquatch back to the Nephilim. Oh, there you go. That's what I was into. A race of giants produced by the union of fallen angels, human women. Genesis six four. Some see the Sasquatch as a remnant of the Nephilim or perhaps a new breed of the creature produced in the same way. Let's see here. Still other Big Brother enthusiasts use complex Bible codes based on numeric sequences to find Sasquatch in the scriptures. These numerologists claim to have discovered mentions of Bigfoot, or beast of the earth, carry and wild man in the Bible, all in the same context. All of these theories share a common weakness, though the creature they are attempting to explain is legendary, there is no real tangible evidence for the existence of a Bigfoot. Belief in such a creature is based on solely on anecdotes hearsay, some footprints which are and have been counterfeited. There's that with that being said okay. With that being said, this is kind of like creepy a little bit. Okay,

Participant #1:
you're saying that they are descendants and basically, in a way, cursed of his endless wondering. Yeah, endless wondering. Well, I know that says what the came too, but this could be another thing that attached to the Sasquatch is that if these are descendants of that man right. What would happen? This is why we're not getting any DNA like evidence. Everybody is like, oh, it's just human DNA because they are human. Wow. Yeah. So no matter what we find this evidence that is true to the core evidence that came off of a creature, but it's just human DNA. You're not going to find anything ironclad safe watch DNA because it's human DNA. They're human DNA. They're just in a way curse carrying the curse of Cain or whatever this guy, the hairy guy or sauce. Interesting. Definitely interesting. But it's a new take. I mean, it's a different take on the high. Yeah, that's definitely a different one for me. Never heard that before. I feel like linking this a squash to the nephilim. Is it's going to require experts beyond me? That's for sure. I don't feel like I have facilities to put that one down, you know what I mean? But I'm sure there's somebody out there. Yeah, but it's definitely interesting. Another question that comes to mind when I think of this though is like, okay, so let's say that that's true. Let's go with that one again. Let's stick a fire here and say sansquatches are the descendants of Issayu cursed to wonder the earth? And that's why we can't get DNA from them because it's all human DNA. Where the hell does the dog man come in? Well, we need to get that one comment that we got on there. Somebody said that it was a person that was cursed. It said it in the Bible. I don't know where I can't remember where to look up. Very interesting. Somebody turned them into a wolf because of that nature. I did look that up a while back ago. But man, I should have bookmarked that. That was my fault. Yeah, there's so much. There's so much. And being on I want to say I applaud for somebody to really researching into and believing in what you believe in. Because me personally, I just can't cling on to something. Like I have to dissect it in and out. It could be two plus two. I still have to dissect it to make sure that I'm getting something. I don't know why I do it. It's just something I'm at there. I pray you that you can actually believe in something and believe it in wholeheartedly. It's hard for me. Yeah. Because there's so much stuff out there. Because you don't know who to believe nowadays. Everybody on computers nowadays just they'll write something up, make something up. Saying bigfoot is actually working at the local DQ. It's doing a good job. Doing a good job. He's going to get that parking spot. He's got to get that parking spot. Yeah. Like we said, there's so much. But I think I personally said it a bunch of times too. If anybody's out there, just hit us up. Send a message. If you had a bigfoot encounter, what did you see? We always hear bigfoot encounters. I saw it walking through the woods, blah, blah, blah. He was watching me. What else? In a way? What unique happened? Did they do something weird that you did not hear from any podcast, podcast you read on the Internet? Anything weird? Just something unique in a way that kind of gives your mind racing to think of, like, what are these creatures? Are they creatures? Definitely, yeah. I'm interested. I'm interested in hearing new things and hopefully finding new patterns. They're out there. There's so many encounters and there's so many descriptions, and I just want to hear as much as I can.

Participant #1:
Yeah. And too, we're still ready to go working on this podcast. If you have any kind of idea, like any other thing that you guys think that you want us to talk about, send us a comment. Too. Send us anything at encounters. At KYX files.com, we always try to read everybody's stuff. If you're a little leery of getting on here and talking to us, you can always send us an email. Tell us your story, we'll read it. And if your story is really out there and you're okay with it being read on the show, we'll do that. We'll read it, try to do our best to get you linked up with someone else who's had an encounter like yours. With that being said, Tyler, what do you think we should we got a lot of other stuff coming up. Got several guests lined up to talk about a lot of different things. Not just these subjects, but all kinds of different things. I don't want to spoil anything yes, but thanks for being patient with us, everybody, and we will be putting some new stuff out to you guys. Hopefully on a weekly basis you can we're still in the process of getting things nailed down here at the farm and getting our recording area set up. Once we get that done and get it all squared away, we'll be pushing stuff out left and right. You just watch. It's going to be great. Okay, listeners, what do you think the Sasquatch is? Is it a nephilim offspring of a human woman and an angel? Or a cursed human walking the forest? Or is it a creature that came from the Hollow Earth? You decide.