S137: Sasquatch Rules of engagement? With Guest Mike.

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Something that would be in the context of the super described as being a great silver looking, upright, popular pruner, dragging a deer out of that face to one of the pilgrims. I got a question for him. He's do you believe in demons? And it takes one big step and vanishes. I'm like, oh, my God, that was a big thing. Look at these pictures of this white creature. Something seven foot, three to eight foot tall. And this bear was standing on his hind legs and he was running like my hair. Now, when it stood up, that's when I knew it was a doll. Me.

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Welcome back, guys, to the Kentucky X Files. Today we're actually here with another guest in person, a friend of all of us. I feel I feel like I created a friend now. Feel like we've known each other forever, at least 27 years. Yeah. We talked on the phone, though. This is Matt. I mean, Mike

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Tyler. We don't have a whole lot of time spent together, but I love you. You call me Matt one more time and we're going to have a rough day. I can understand that because Matt Street sucks. Yeah, that guy is a real jerk. Sorry. If you name Matt that thing I was just joking. It was a joke. Yeah. So everybody out there probably hopefully recovered from last week's episode by now. It was a heavy one. Sorry, Mike. It's a little bit of a spoiler, but maybe that story was paranormal, maybe it was not. Maybe it was rooted in physical side effects of addiction. As always, you be the judge. And if you need help, we're here. Reach out. Don't do anything drastic. You have friends in us. I'm sure you have family around you. You have everybody you need. Just do the right thing. Plus, I'm greedy. And I want you to be around because when we're 100 episodes in, I want to hear your opinions. So I've been thinking a lot about our area up here in the northern part of Kentucky. I don't know if it's because I've been driving a truck a lot lately and I'm out during the dark hours of the morning and when you're really tired and you've been working a lot, your mind and your eyes tend to do their own thing. So as I'm driving, I think I see something I don't. I thought I saw eyeshine. It's not it's a sign or it's something a little animal crosses the road. But my mind is so built up by then that I'm thinking the worst. It's all those things that scare you in the darkness, but they're never there. For me, it's always explainable, but for some people, it's not explainable, which takes me to an email. This is from Christina. Don't know if I got her permission to use her last name, so I'm leaving it out. So here goes. Listen to this. Hey, guys. Somehow I came across your podcast earlier this year. It was cool to hear locals from the northern Campbell County area talking about subjects that could be deemed paranormal. It is definitely not an area with open minded individuals. I grew up in the northern Kentucky, too, and if you have not figured that out, currently in Lexington, one of your podcast, Denny, mentioned that his grandma might have been Native American. It kind of made a bell go off in my head. At this point. She names a few people that could or could not be related to me, which I'll leave out of this conversation. Anyway, I don't know if that's your family, and I apologize for the lack of organization in my email and thought I keep wanting to email you, but I'm always too busy or I forget. Right now is one of those moments that I thought about it. So I thought, I'm going to take a minute and shoot you an email and open up the conversation. I have several stories, some photos and video that you might be interested in. There is activity there. I recorded a UFO last November when traveling south on 75 near the Mount Zion exit. I know what you're thinking. That is an airport flight traffic area. But I have a video that is unexplainable so far, and I laid eyes on it and witnessed clearly a triangular black UFO. Sorry, triangular UFO just hovering in place. I invite you guys to try to figure out what that is. I also have photos of prints from the land between the lakes from two summers ago. Sometimes I'm a paranormal magnet. It feels like most of the time nothing. About 15 years ago, I was growled at by what sounded like a growling elephant. It happened near my parents home. This growl was nothing that you could put into words. It vibrated my entire body and my friends. It was just the two of us, but neither of us will forget that night, and we still talk about it often. It was one of those things. There are some additional odd details that go with this and how we reacted that maybe don't make sense. Looking back, combined with what I know now, I am highly confident that this was either paranormal or encrypted. Again, I apologize for the sloppy email. I just wanted to start a talk track and see if you're interested in hearing my stories and helping me perhaps debunk them. Please let me know. Thanks, guys. So Christina might want to pay attention to future episodes because we are going to have a guest that also videotaped a UFO fairly close to that area. I sent you guys the videos and this happened between the Walton Richwood area and this person has also seen quite a few things. And Richwood Walton is really close to the mountain Zion exit. I would love to see her. This triangle shaped UFO keeps popping up

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for me, especially. It's hard for me to compare that particular UFO with, say, encrypted, because in encrypted, there's always the difficulty of finding credible pictures and things like that. Video especially. But for this, there is video out there. There is eyewitness and video to back. It more than one. There's photos, there's all kinds of stuff. And so many people from different spots are seeing this black, triangular UFO. I'm interested. I know for a fact that we've got at least one guest, possibly two, with the same situation in fairly close to the same areas. Mike, you look like you're waiting with bated breath there, buddy. Yeah, it's interesting. In doing my prep for being on with you guys tonight, I made sure that I listened to the last couple of episodes, all right? One, back and third. And in the last episode that I listened to, I know there's another episode between now and then. Last episode I listened to, we were talking about these alternate dimensions, and this weird stuff was going on in the area or just weird things. Right, right. And how it was possible that there were alternate dimensions. It was a previous email to Tyler. Yeah. And it brought up that something that Josh mentioned about a friend of his that his mom saw this bear. Right. I'm that friend. Okay. And it's funny that she mentions that particular area of the state, because is it the same area at the bottom of mount Zion road? And I don't remember whether it's bristow or Shaw or 536. I'm a better numbers guy than having names, but my mother would swear that she saw a bear at the bottom of that intersection where mount Zion hits that ends, which is geographically not too awful, far from where she says that she saw this weird thing. Not even a mile. Mount Zion exit. There is maybe one. No, it's nothing. It's right up the street. It just sparks my interest and sparks my curiosity. And I can't help but think about all that other paradimensional type of stuff that it's definitely interesting. Josh knows my mother, and anybody that's ever met my parents knows that my mother is a saint. Especially if you've ever met my dad. We actually preface her name with the word saint. Yeah. She's a wonderful woman. And if she's straight, we made fun of her for years that you didn't see a bear, you saw a big dog. But she says she saw a bear down there. I've got no reason not to believe her. Right. That's what she saw on the bear subject, which this is actually becoming an interesting phenomenon, believe it or not, while I was at work, I met a guy. I don't have permission to say his name, so I'm not going to I mean, I guess I could just say his first name. His name was Wesley. Owns the trademark on the name. I think I'm okay. He told me he lives down around the Piner area, and he saw a bear. And then he went on to tell me that him and another guy that he was out in the woods with experienced the feeling of dread. The woods went silent. Everything went dead, he said. The interesting part of his story, which I've been saving to reveal, was that the deer, they were just hiking. They were just enjoying the woods being out, but the deer were actually hanging out next to them. The deer started crowding in on them and hanging out close to them while they were hunting. No, they weren't hunting. They were just enjoying the woods. They were going to make a little fire and just kind of enjoy the evening. You know what I mean? That's completely bizarre to me because I grew up in that particular area, and we spend a lot of time I like to hunt deer and spend a lot of time chasing these elusive critters. Right. They're so hard to find, but when it's hunting season, they're impossible to find. But you can hit one on the interstate. It was the amount of deer is what got me. But the fact that deer would come up to a person because we have our scents, we smell, it's not something that deer because deer is a prey animal. Sure. And your prey animals, they tend to know what's around them, and they're hyper aware of their situation and what's going on around them. So the fact that a deer or a large group of deer, five or six deer, and they were in a panicked state, he said they were panting like they were huffing, and that they would find flawless around humans, and that's a safe place for them to be, that seems very uncharacteristic. You can only imagine my animals doing that's. Completely unnatural for them, because typically, deer just want to find a way to get away from you. They want to go somewhere else. The only reason the reason I brought it up with him was because we were actually just sitting there talking, and he was talking about my job. And in the springtime, I'm having a foundation board, and we're having an Amish built cabin put in fun. It's awesome, whatever. Me and him were talking about it, and he's like, oh, I've been living down in this Piner area. Then Piner kind of ring a bell. And I was like, oh, I've heard a few mysterious things about Piner. He told me a handful of things as he was telling me, like, kind of a little bit of the local lore, I guess, about a woman who killed her children or whatever, and herself. I don't know, something about her seeing her spirit, but I've heard that story in several places throughout the United States. So it's hard for me to really be a pretty consistent story of anything a pioneer. I know that the ghost of green road and the ghost of cody road. Yeah, cody road. And I mess with many girlfriend on the ghost of cody road just trying to mess with people. I wasn't being rude to the man. I just kind of asked him. I was like, hey, what about you yourself? What have you seen? And he's like, well, we saw a bear. I'm like, really? A bear? And he started telling me all about this bear experience where you saw it, and they were like, holy shit, is this even supposed to be here? And then he goes, yeah. He's like, I think there's things out there. And me, I'm like, well, I've heard sasquatch stories about the area, so I'm interested in that. I want to hear the local lore down there in regards to the sasquatch or the subway, whatever you want to call it. He goes, I've never seen one of those. He goes, but there was a weird thing that happened with some deer one time. He was telling me how they went up into this area, and they were just said it was just gorgeous, just beautiful out, just enjoying the oh, yeah, it's god's country, and I totally get that, man. I could go back into my woods, and I can stay there for hours and be fine. It's beautiful. And he's like, yeah, all these deer kind of came crashing out out of nowhere. He's like and they just all stood with us. I'm like, stood with you? I was like, how close? He's like, you could have literally reached out and smacked him on the ass. He's like and they were standing there, and he's like, they were ignoring us. And they were looking back into the woods, and they were snorting, and they were huffing at it. Yeah. And I'm like, okay, well, I don't know enough about deer behavior yet, but I thought, I know how the goats act. Deer are staring in one direction or snorting, huffing. There's definitely something going on over there, and there's something that they're interested in, and they're trying to either run off or to let everyone else, all the other deer in the area know that, hey, there's something over there that ain't right. And the fact that they're coming around humans and just completely ignoring the fact that there are humans there because in this time and age, we are their apex predator. The fact that they're completely ignoring the human activity that's going on there and they're focused on this other thing over there. So whatever it is they were focused on was worse than what we're going to do to them. Yeah, I don't know. Kind of the lesser of two evils to me that's devouring it, because I'm like, this is that's completely bizarre. If I'd ever seen deer act like that in that area, I'd be right there with him. Odd feeling to be in that position when you're secondhand to an animal's reaction of something around you. Right. My dog years ago did it to me. Or there was something in the darkness and he was a big dog and he wasn't afraid of shit. And to see him scared the shit out of me. Sure. Because he's backing up, his hair is all hunched up, his teeth are whatever, and he says tail between his legs. And I'm sitting there looking at him like holy shit, if you're afraid then yeah, I should probably go somewhere else. Let's get you in here and lock the door then. Because if you're afraid of something out there, then I don't want to be out there because you're more equipped to deal with it than I am. You know what I mean? Just on the whole natural aspect of that. I have horses. I live down in central Kentucky now and I've got horses and we have coyotes around the area. Sure. And I don't have any night sights or anything like that for any of my rifles. So I'm not out there slanting coyotes like I want to be. But I have heard coyote sounds out in my area. So I will go out and stand in the field and all of my horses will kind of gather around me and they'll kind of all be in one area and they'll all be looking out into one specific area where I can hear the sounds of these coyotes, which would be a natural predator for them. And I hear these sounds, but I don't have nightsite so I can't see them. But I know that they're out there. And my horses, they know exactly where they are and they're pointing right at them and they're calling around themselves to protect themselves as a prey animal so they know that they're there. I can't see them. So there's definitely something going on out there that I can't see. You're right. It is a completely creepy feeling like there's something out there. And I don't know if you know how big a horse is. I grew up around horses and most people don't actually realize how big these critters are. I've got a couple of thoroughbreds that are at 1200 £500. And they've got a big German warm blood that he's a 2000 pound baby. But this is a 1000 pound animal that's afraid of something. And on the end of every one of their legs is this giant thing that's just ready to punch a hole in something and crush something. And they could do it easily, but they're scared of this thing. So if they're scared of it, yeah, something's there, maybe. There's definitely something to be concerned about. I think that's honestly, it makes me think about the whole point of this show. For every 99 things that we can figure out. Well, that's coyotes or in some places that's probably a bobcat or even a mountain line. You know, there's always that one that doesn't fit the bill, and it makes you wonder. Yeah. Well, growing up in that area, we've killed quite a bit of coyote up there. That was one of me and my dad's pastimes was just slam coyotes, because it's a nuisance animal up here. Up here, they're awful. But for a herd of deer, for a group of deer to be that concerned about some coyotes, something in the milk ain't white. It just doesn't smell right. That's what they're so scared of, that they're running towards humans, and they're perfectly fine being around humans to get away from that thing. For all those out there listening, we are at my farm. So that's why you're hearing the pack of annoying ducks that I raised. They all have the same name, dinky. I didn't want to name them, so they're all named Dinky. There's an older one that's Old man Dinkins. I think the one that was looking at me is named Howard. It could be. I don't know what they call their self. All I know is we got them, and I guess I just started taking care of them and I don't know, they kind of grew on me. Yeah, sorry about that. In the background, you guys out there listening. Peking ducks. Annoying animals, but delicious. They're all drakes except for two hens. So there's definitely a solution for that. Yeah, it's not outside of the realm of possibilities, especially if they keep annoying me. A bunch of aholds. Yeah. It's an interesting thing looking into especially some of these messages we get, especially so close to home. And there's been a lot of people that have been reaching out to us from the Piner area with just weird, weird things. Absolutely. I tell you what, I lay a challenge to you listeners out there. I don't know if it would really be considered a challenge, but it sounded cool to say it. You got activity. Why don't we come out? Let's come out. Let's set up the podcast right in the middle of your activity. Maybe we can experience it with you. Maybe we can get it out there. We can keep things anonymous. So, Denny, what a great segue? It's almost like you used to do in podcasts. What a great segue. I've been listening to most of your podcasts, and I say that very specifically. Most of your podcast, I look at the title and something I'm interested in. Great. I'm going to listen to it, but there are a couple of episodes that I've specifically avoided listening to. Most of them involve your story. Specifically, it says my stories are boring. Yeah, well, no, we heard you talking up. No, it's nothing like that. It's that guy sitting there listening to it. Right. Bless your heart. Bless my heart. Thank God you're around. Thank you. We got Gibbs'meat again. Yeah. Which is quite delicious, by the way, if you ever get the opportunity to try some of Josh Gibbs's Mead Pass on that and give it to me? But anyway, I've avoided those specific stories because from the onset of the podcast, I hear all of these events and things that are going on, specifically in our area and just in the general Kentucky area, things that aren't, well, too out of my geographic ability to get to. And I've made a living being objective. Most of the things that I've done in my military career and even in my civilian career, it's all being objective. Find the broken part, find a broken thing and prove that it's broken and be objective about it. It doesn't matter how it happened. And even in the civilian side, with the work that I do, it's just maintaining objectivity. My idea was you guys are talking about all this stuff in this area, these places that I grew up and lived in. And I thought, what if there was somebody who had no idea what the hell they were talking about and just went to these places and set up whatever recording or video or audio apparatuses that are involved and just went there and just stayed there and camped out for a day or two or whatever and just recorded stuff with no idea where the hell he's going. And the last episode that I listened to, we were talking about the village idiot that the aliens sent down. What a novel thought. What a novel thought. Yeah, right. I could be that village idiot. So my idea was to give me grid coordinates with no background, no background information. One of the conversations that really sparked my interest about that was something about the Three Sisters or some weird trees up in Campbell County somewhere. Sorry, we're all distracted. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I just witnessed a duck assault, which was pretty funny. You definitely did. It's hard not to look at, but no. In all my life, I've heard about these three trees up somewhere in Campbell County. But I've never like I don't really don't care about all that crap. It's nothing that really sparked my interest. And I'm going over there, but if there's something really going on there, send somebody who's completely objective about it to go right. And I say that to say this because when you send somebody up there who's looking for something, I got a pistol in the truck. We can make it go away. I'm sorry. When you send somebody into an area who's looking for something, what are they going to find? Right? Power suggestions. Don't think about the color red. First thing comes to mind, we had this conversation on the phone. Yeah, go looking for ghosts, you're going to find good. You go looking for ghosts, you're going to find ghosts. You go to look for evidence of the big man or squatch. It's what you're going to find. Right? So send somebody up there who has no idea what's going on in that area and who, frankly, doesn't care because I live down in central Kentucky. Whatever's going on up here in northern Kentucky doesn't affect my day at all. Right, so send somebody up there and give them some recording equipment or whatever witchcraft or voodoo that you guys are into

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and just see if there's something there. See if something hits. See if something happens. The controlled experiment, right? It's like there's this whole scientific process that we've developed that has allowed us to move from, like, banging rocks and sticks together to shoot nuclear weapons. I'm just saying it's kind of a big deal, right? I love it. Personally, I love it. We do have the technology. We have the technology. That's where we came up with the on location mic. Yeah, the on location mic for the listeners. Can you talk about your background, your military background? I can. I joined the army. I just hit the mic a little bit there and that's okay. I moved away. I joined the army shortly after 911. Some of that was because some guys flew a plane into a building, but a lot of that was because I needed a real job and I wasn't happy with what I was doing and I wanted to move forward in my career, so I joined the army. I wasn't happy with what I was doing. I did my four and a half years, spent a year of that in Iraq fixing trucks and doing what we do over there, which was a supportive time to be over there. I got out for a couple of years and I missed being around the I just missed me around service members and I missed me around military people. And a small part of me had always thought if I joined the Marine Corps what it would have been different. Right. So I had a good friend who happened to be a Marine recruiter at the time, and he and I sat down and talked about it, and I was, like, not getting any younger. Either I said that or he did. I'm not sure. Recruiters. So you went from the army? I went from the army, and then I took about two and a half years off, and I joined the Marine Corps. How was that? It was a really entertaining time. Going through recruit training again. Because the Marine Corps doesn't care about your prior service. They don't care about your rank or whatever it is you did before because you did that in some other service and you're not a Marine. Right, okay. So I got out of the army as a sergeant, and I would have been selected for staff sergeant if I'd stuck around for a little bit longer. And I came into the Marine Corps as a PFC E, two, bottom of the barrel kind of guy. And there were some entertaining times in recruit training when I discovered that I had more because I got to carry over all of my personal awards and my campaign medals and stuff like that. All of that carried over. So there were some entertaining times in recruit training when my drill instructors discovered that I had more awards and campaign medals than they did. So I got through a lot of push ups for that, and that was fun. Great opportunity to get fit. When you look back, which branch do you look back most fond of stuff? Oh, absolutely. Still in the Marine Corps? You still in? Yeah, I'm still a Marine. Reservist okay. And I love everything about the Marine Corps and what they do. Over my 15 to 20 years or so of service, I've accumulated this merry band of savages all over the country of just people that I can call if things ever get really weird and I need to hide a body somewhere. I know that I've got people that I can call who won't ask a whole lot of questions. They're like, yeah, dog, I got you. Just bring them up here, or they'll be the other one. I need them. So what a great group of Americans, and what a great group of people. Dan Daly and Ton Tavard and all that shit. Let me say, on behalf of our show, thank you, thank you and more. Thank you for serving this country. So I used to be really reserved about how I answered that question. I never actually knew how to answer that question, and I don't remember where it is that I heard this of someone saying this, but I finally found an answer, and the answer is you're worth it. Yeah. Okay. You are worth it. And if you're not, then be worth it. Right? I heard a similar response. I had a nice conversation. I told you guys a little bit of it earlier about the vaccine. I had a long talk with a retired veteran senior citizen. He's veteran. He's a very cool guy. I think his name was Dave. I hope I got that right. I'm pretty sure it was Dave, but before we parted ways, I said, hey, no matter what, I was like, thank you. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for serving our country. And he said, thanks for being worth serving for. And I said, wow. I was like, you really kind of put me on the spot there. I don't feel worth it. I know this podcast is about all the cryptids and the squatch and the UFOs and all that stuff, but I'll stand on my soapbox for about, like, 42 seconds or so. I hope it's not too much, but you are. You're worth it. I've given up a lot of key moments in my life. I've missed a lot of birthdays and soccer games and things anniversaries and shit like that. But it's all for the ideal of what America is all about, and America is all about us having the. Ability to sit around at a picnic table and talk about weird shit. Absolutely. And put it out there on the Internet. And, you know, it's only in America because nobody's going to charge us with 5000 rubies. No, they certainly aren't. We found out we got some information on that. It's $42. $42 is what that turned out to be. It's still an astronomical amount. Yeah, I don't have $42 on me right now. I can't pay you guys for this. I'm sorry. That cuts into my, like, my personal allowance a little bit, but I could swing it. But I wouldn't justify spending $42 to go look for their cryptid and then have to disclose all your information. Right. I do all the work, and I got to pay you $42 to do it. It's funny, too, because a couple of our states here in our country have actually did something similar where they actually put out a Sasquatch hunting permit and season. Yeah, I don't know what to say about that. Yeah. I can only say so much because I'm still in a current reservist and I have a command to report to. I don't want to get myself in too much trouble so I can get that damn retirement. But yeah, the whole government overreach of all that stuff. Like the fact that there are governments out there. Yeah, I know it the fact that there are government entities out there regulating when and where you can hunt the squatch. That's completely ridiculous. That's the silliest thing I've ever heard. But you were the one that actually confirmed that. They do tell you you're not allowed to fire upon a Sasquatch in California. I will put this out there in full disclosure. I have never been to Bridgeport, California, and I've actively avoided Bridgeport. Going to Bridgeport because it's cold there, and I'm kind of sissy, and I'm a fair weather person, and I do not like being cold, okay? If you're a Marine, I don't think anybody's going to call you fucking sissy. No, I'm fine because of the cold. I don't like being cold. It gets silly. They're going to be listening. We haven't been to the army for 60 years, so last time we fought in a cold climate was North Korea. Folks out there listening. This guy went to the army and he got medals. He went to the Marines. Slow learner. He's a lab. Did not like the cold. We call that we call that a lab. Learner

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the training that they do out there in the Mountain Warfare Training Center in Bridgeport, California. They have an incredible communications course out there where you learn how to do long haul communications with the basic stuff that we have. And they do a lot of hiking and a lot of just excellent training. But it's cold, and I don't want to go there, so I'm not going to. If I've got the option, I'm not going to. However, I have spoken with several people who have been out there too. And like I said, I've never personally been there. But it's well known that part of the safety brief when you go out to the field, is part of your typical safety brief when you go anywhere is don't mess with wildlife. If something looks like it's going to hurt you, leave it alone. If it looks like something you shouldn't eat, don't eat it. If it's green and it's wet, don't drink it. Your basic stuff that you would tell normal people that normal people would be like, I should probably but Marie is a little bit special, so if it's wet, I'm going to drink it. And if it looks like something I'm going to eat, I should probably kill it. But part of that safety brief and again, I don't know if it's an anecdotal thing or something funny that they joke about, but it is a consistent part of that safety brief is, hey, if you see gas, watch out there, don't shoot at him. He's been there for a while and he'll fucking kill you. So leave him alone. It's weird. Leave it be. Not the first time I've heard that. Just leave it be, don't shoot at it, and don't try to attack it because I get it, you're a Marine and you're a big bad ass, but eat your lunch. Just leave them be and move home with your day. I've heard, especially recently, I know that a record number of military have come forward with their own Sasquatch stories. And we've even had a few on the show tell us their stories. And it's amazing how the consistency no, it's not. And it's one of those things where they tell you in the initial safety brief when you're going into that training area and it's something that we all talk about or they all talk about. Like I say, I can't say we because I've never been there, right? But they all talk about in the, in the post brief was like, hey, if you saw something weird that you don't know how to explain, yeah, shut your mouth. Yeah. Like, don't worry about it, right? Just just let it be. And by the way, you need to focus on doing your job because that's why they're going out there to train. They're going out there to train to learn how to do their job better in whatever climb or place it is. So they're specifically going out to and I say Bridgeport, California, and any of your listeners can look, that place up there, it's a pretty sporty place out in the mountains. It's pretty remote. It's out in the middle of nowhere in central California. Like I said, I've avoided going there because it's cold. I don't want to be cold. But it's one of those places where you go out there, you train, you learn to do your job. And while you're there, you're focused on learning to do your job. With this focus of this combat mentality of I'm going to learn to do things here and I'm going to put them forward in the field when we go to kill bad guys. So all that ancillary secondary stuff that happens over there. You're trained and you're taught at a basic level. Hey, don't worry about that shit. It's got nothing to do with combat. Forget about it, right? Because it don't matter. We're not fighting yeti's. We're fighting Taliban or whoever the enemy happens to be. So don't worry about that stuff. I don't know if this is a place for edit, but I got a pistol out in the truck with seven rounds in it. That would do it. There's another one floating around here somewhere, and from experience, if you kill one or two of them, the rest of them will go away. These are pretty dumb. They'll probably stand there like, what's up with you? Or the rest of them will be around and give you targets. That's kind of my military aspect of that. And like I said, I don't have that direct relationship because, full disclosure, I've never been there, and I've actively avoided it. And I dear God, I hope my Co never hears this podcast. I hope he does, but I hope he doesn't send me out of spite. We didn't put your last name. We will. He knows you as Matt now. Yeah, Matt. He's Matt. Don't worry about it. Don't do anything to him. We'll send you a hat or something. That's definitely a thing. And I'd be really interested to hear from somebody who spent time up in, like, Fort Drum, New York, in the Mountain Warfare Training Center up there. That's a very remote area of New York and mountain warfare training. Weird things happening in the mountains. Well, if anybody hears us out there and you have some information about that, let us know. Reach out. It's not the first time, right? Mike, you and I have experienced some weird things in you, especially in this local area, too. Some just weird stuff that doesn't make any sense. Oh, yeah. So I think I know what you're getting to. Like I said, I mentioned earlier, my mom swears up and down she saw a bear at the bottom of Mountains Iron Road. And I've never in my life had any reason to consider my mother a liar. I would agree with that. If she says she saw a bear, she saw a bear. Yeah, I would agree with that. That's what she saw. There's not a lot of people that I would take their word for. Gold. Your mom is definitely one of them. Yeah. And again, whether it was the big dog dressed like a bear or whatever, mama says she saw a bear, she saw a bear. Before I go any further, did she ever describe what was the demeanor of the bear? It was just hanging out on the side of the road, not paying attention to anybody or anything. Well, again, in the interest of full disclosure, she was driving. She was driving. She just had a couple of accidents, so her focus on the road has always been questionable. But she saw some critter on the side of the road that was clearly not a dog to her. And it was bigger than a dog. It was black, and it was bigger than a dog. And she says it was shaped like a bear. It looked like a bear. As far as I'm concerned, she saw a bear. I'm just asking because I was told it on the podcast that I saw a bear. It was actually in a subdivision, right? Yeah. But it was in the trailer subdivision that you were talking about. I don't know if I should disclose it. Brookwood. I don't know if you know this area. There's a lot of Brookwoods, though, in the areas that we're talking about, from where we are to where she says that she saw this bear, you're talking about, what, 10 miles, if that? Yeah, 10 miles away. I know we're a couple of counties separated, but area is not as big as we like to think of it. Yeah. We even just touched on that a little bit about how far counties are. Holy shit. Yeah. I parked my truck over at Josh's house, and I know from the map it's 2 miles away from where we are now, and it took us 20 minutes to get here because you can't get there from here. Yeah, we had to circle around and find bridges to get over here, but it's like if we just walked across the river, we were here in 15 minutes walking. Shit. I know a guy that actually lives in a house. Half his house is Independence and the other half is in Covington. Right. That sucks. Yeah. So the geographic area is really not that big, not as big as we think it is. And if you look at, like, bear behavior, looking at the way that they look at bears down in the Smoky Mountains or North Carolina or down there where they actually know bears live, bears kind of bears travel all over the place. 15 miles is not unheard of for a four legged helmet. Absolutely don't bear a circle 50 miles or something. Yeah.

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Bears an apex predator. That dude's going to go where he wants to go unless something else proves him wrong or he's not comfortable that he's going to go wherever the hell is big enough. He's big enough, and there's enough biological evolution there backing that he's mosying wherever he wants to go. I'm looking at the large Phillips that are at this table and feeling a little bit intimidated. But if a bear came up, there's the Marine army veteran guy. Yeah, but there's three of you, one of me, and it's going to be a good sprint to get to my pistol. Exactly. I feel like, you can kill us with a popsicle sticking over. Yeah, you're right. You're absolutely right. He strangles us with our microphone, cables, everything. That even got me onto this podcast starting off of my original episode, I was on about topsoil island in North Carolina. There was a bear that just mosied out onto the beach. Oh, yeah. North Carolina, that's no big deal. Made it to the island. And the state record bear in North Carolina was taken in Onslow county, which onslow county is where Campbell June is. Onslow county right there next to the base. And there was, like, a meat packing place that's where topsoil is. There was, like, a meat packing place near where this bear was taken, and state record bear was taken at like, 900 some odd pounds. Wow. On a black bear. That's crazy. Enormous for a black bear. That's huge. Yeah. Black bears are normally small, right? Yeah. Like, grizzlies are the ones that get brown bears are big. Brown bears are small. This black bear was sitting there eating all the scraps out of this out of this meat packing place, and they don't hibernate there because weather wise, it's pretty temperate. It's always sunny. It's never cold enough for them to hibernate. So it's just sitting there eating year round, getting fat and happy. Probably loving it. Oh, yeah. Happy place for a bear to be. Once I cut out this whole hibernation thing, I've been living but circling back. Yeah. Coming back to it. I don't know. Where are we circling back to? We're talking about the your mead is amazing, by the way. Right. That's mead with a D at the end. Right. No, t the strange occurrences that happened on the farm you and I used to hang out on. Oh, yes. Okay. So the farm that Josh and I used to hang out on, I grew up hunting this area, and we had an arrangement with the farm owner that I would provide basically slave labor. Me and my dad, when he was available, we did everything. He would bail hay, and I would bail hay and move hay bales, and I would cut tobacco and hang tobacco and yeah, I was slave labor on there. And we had the privilege of being the only people who are allowed to hunt on this property. That's pretty awesome. We were more than happy to go out there and do some work, and I didn't realize at the time, but I was more than happy because dad told me to. Yeah, he told you to be happy. Right. But there was this one area of this place that we used to hunt that we never actually hunted. This place or this specific area, it was probably about 30 yards or 20 or 30 yards downhill from an old pond, and it was in the middle of this really big cedar grove grove of cedar trees. Okay. And in the middle of the cedar grove, there was an area probably about ten yards. So 30ft in an absolute perfect circle that nothing grew. And on the outside of this 30 yard circle, this 30ft circle, ten yard circle, there's a perfect circle of cedar trees. And they were growing up perfectly straight and and tall and fat and happy, but nothing grew inside of the circle. It was always really bizarre, and every time we would go back there hunting or scouting or looking or whatever, there was always some type of skull in the middle of the circle. Wow. And now it was never, like a Tyrannosaurus Rex skull or anything crazy like that. It was never anything cool. It could have been, like, a fox or possum or a rabbit or some other critter that was local and indigenous to the area and not well outside of the possibility of being around. Can you get a picture of that? I pulled it from Google Earth. The cedar grove is gone. Somebody's cut it down. But the circle of dead Earth is still there. Yeah. Can we snag a picture of that? As long as we take the GPS coordinates off of it? Yeah, it's in the chat because I sent it to you because him and I were talking about it, and the fact that it was still dead was yeah, and that was the weird thing. When he and I started talking when Josh and I started talking about it, I don't know what he was doing. Apparently he doesn't have a real job, and he just get on the phone and start Googling stuff whenever he wants to. Boss, I will do that. I was sitting in a parking lot at the Vape shop. Sure. Right. So he pulls up this picture and he sends it to me, and I'm like, Holy shit. Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. And I feel comfortable saying that I could take somebody there right now and go to this area, and

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there would still be a circle of nothing growing there, just dirt. And the Google Earth picture was only maybe how old are those? Usually, what, six months? Yeah, because, like, the one on my street, it still has my old car, and that's been over ten years. In our area, though, it's updated enough that the truck I'm driving currently is in the picture. Okay. So yours has been updated within the last year, and that's sat, like it's not road pictures when I do that. My Google Earth is about a year or so old, but a year or so old, and I'm talking about stuff that happened when I was a teenager, which has been 20 years, two decades since I was a teenager. I'm not trying to give away my age, but I've been telling people I was 25 for about 15 years now. The last time you and I were back there, we were 18, and we're going to be 40. Yeah. Well, thank you for going throwing that out and assuming your listeners can't do math. Yeah. I mean, that's crazy to think about. What was the last time I was there? I was 18. Yeah. And again, it's been 20 years, but we pull this place up on Google Earth, and it's just something that I'm describing to him, like, hey, this is a place that it was off this person's property and it was in this area. And he pulls it up and sends me a picture of him. I'm like, holy shit. That's exactly what I'm talking about. It was really weird to me. And at the time at the time, I never really thought anything about it. It was like just a circle of nothing. And we don't hunt there. When you told him that about reminding him about that, he actually sent it. And this was like a while back ago, I actually looked up a little bit. It's been about a month since we talked about it. I looked it up, and there's other places that have similar things going on. I can't remember where the actual I would have to go dig through our messenger, but they said that that's where they say the devil dances. Yeah. He goes there to make deals all the time, but then people actually goes there. And the skeptic in me is telling me, if that's the case, I hunted there for ten years, and why am I not a better guitar player? Right? Because he did lose a fiddle competition, some guy in the south. But I looked it up and they even tested the soil and stuff, and they said there was nothing there, I think, but I can't remember there was high contents of iron, copper or something like that. And they said that it wouldn't the perfect circle is what gets me. The fact that it's 22 years later is still a perfect circle. Yeah. And that's what really trips me out. I never expected that to actually happen. We started this podcast, and Josh became part of it. So I started to listen to this and I started thinking about weird stuff that happened. I was like, yeah, it was weird circle over on so and so place that yeah, there was nothing there. And I get it. There might be, like, some geographical oddity to where nothing grows there, right? Maybe there's, like, some salt deposit or maybe there's some scientific reason why nothing actually grows there. There's the old term salted earth. And that's cool, and I get that. But why is there a skull in the middle of that thing every time I go out there? And that's the thing that tripped me up, was that every time I would go there and hunt that place, why was there a new skull? Right? Is that just where animals go to die and rot? I don't know. Or is like, there's some human involved. There's some kind of weird occult thing. Yeah, exactly. Some kind of weird occult thing going on where they're doing rituals and ceremonies out there and they put the skull of the opossum that was making across the street. I don't know, but it was just really bizarre. And it was one of those places where, honestly, we just kind of avoided, like, hey, I know, open the cedar grove, but we don't have that cedar grove. We actually started trailing the four wheelers off to the right of it. Yeah. What was the reasoning behind avoiding the area? Because it was weird because we were teenagers. We were teenagers, and there was something going on there that I don't know or understand, and I don't want to know. I'm just trying to get laid. You know, our minds weren't in this in this place where we're thinking about all this other bigger, big picture stuff. And you know how it is when you're younger. You really don't see past the nose on the end of your face. Sure. We heard that growing up, and I never understood it, but it's true. There's things that happen once you turn, like, 30 that you go, oh, wow. Yeah, I get it now. I found that what I was reading, they say scientists would say if there was a high salt and copper, that would cause nothing to grow, but there was nothing in this particular location, not the one that you guys are talking about. And they said that when they stood around the circle, their compass actually moved weird. And the only would cause that is if there was actual iron deposit in that area. So I know we have some iron deposits around, even around deposit here, but have you ever tried to use a compass around here? No. We should try to see if it actually does anything that I'm very interested in doing. That's something I'm very interested in, and I'd like to find the current property owner of that place and try to find my way back to that place and see maybe that's something that we could look at. I would like to test the ground just to see if there's a lot of soul, just see if there's some natural occurrence. Let's sign this shit up. Right. And if there's not, then that would tell me that there's something otherworldly going on there. Yeah. Wasn't Shakespeare that said that once you've exhausted all of the logical explanations, it's time to look towards the illogical? Yeah. You have to look to the occult. There's more things beyond heaven and Earth. There's more things between heaven and earth that are beyond our philosophies. Right, yeah. Like I said, one of the things that in listening to the podcast in the past, I've specifically avoided your specific story, and I've specifically avoided a couple of different things because I want to maintain objectivity. Got you. Is it more or less like, I guess, the telltale signs of what people have been experiencing? Sure. So you don't feel compelled to, like, oh, I heard this or I heard that because you listened to on the podcast or somewhere else. Yeah, exactly. And I'll try to be as brief as possible with this story. When I was a very young man, as early as I was able to go out hunting legally, my dad took me out squirrel hunting, my very first hunting trip. Right. And he sent me out to this area, and we were hunting these woods, and I had heard this story about some kind of story about a woman who had been killed in the area who made this screeching sound. Right? Right. So here I am, being a very young man, and I'm sitting here in the woods, my little 410 Shotgun hunting swirl. Which way? 410 Shotgun. It's not very rare to the squirrels, but that's where we were. And I heard this god awful sound. It sounded like a woman dying and a baby screaming and like all of the bad things that I've ever imagined in my life all happening all at once. Right? Yeah. And so I heard this sound, and I knew of this story of this, you know, person being killed in this area. And I'm like, well, that's what that is. Hell with this. I'm out of here. And I went and sat in the truck. A couple of hours later, my dad came up and, you know, found me in the truck. Where you been? I've been searching for you for, you know, half an hour, looking for you out in the woods. And I was like, man, dad. Dad, I heard this. And of course, this abbreviated and changed a little bit for my language now, but dad, I heard this god awful sound out there. Are you telling me that you ran to the truck because you heard that screech owl in the morning? And that's all it was? It was a screech owl. But I heard this sound, and I knew that there was a story of something terrible happening in this area. And I heard the sound, and that's exactly where my mind went. And I was like, I don't know what that is, but it sounds like something terrible. I need to go. Right, yeah. Did you ever go back and listen to oh, yeah, I've been back there hunting. Well, I meant more along the lines of heard another Screenshow. Absolutely. Did it sound exactly the same? So your mind was just sitting in that? It was just that my mind was in a place and I'd never heard or experience this thing before. Got you. So I didn't have any perspective on what was going on. So that leads me back to where I'm saying I don't want to know what the story of this place is. I mentioned earlier there's this weird place up here. Apparently there are three trees that are close to each other. People say all these witches did all this weird shit, and I don't know, honestly, I've never paid that much attention to those stories because I've always thought they were silly. What about you guys out there listening? Do you think we should drop Mike, aka Matt drop? Should we drop the mic into a location without telling him the stories behind it in Verdant? Do you think it's a good idea or do you think it's too dangerous? Let us know. I think it's a controlled exploration. I think we need to get a helicopter and he parachutes into the location. And I will tell you that we're keeping those low budget CGI. I'm fine just walking shit. We can't even afford CGI, can we? But it's one of those things where we've talked about this before, and I've heard it said on the podcast before, where people go out into the woods and they hear what they expect to hear. If you're looking for this thing, that's what you're going to find. So if I go into an area and I have no expectations of what it is that I'm supposed to hear or see or experience, whatever, if something happens, great. And if nothing happens, well, there you go. In a way, we can totally control this experiment because the way he makes it sound, he's just enjoying the camping part. Yeah, I love that. We could actually send him to be happier than sitting out in the woods on my end. We could actually send him to places that are actually don't have any activity and see if he does. To see if just having that he knows that he's there because of us would make him like, oh, that's sasquatch. Or did he hear something? What did play a trick on your mind? Like he was saying, if you're out there looking for it, are you going to hear something? Our suggestion, let's just throw this out there. And I don't want to upset any viewer, like any listeners of this. We're not saying you didn't hear anything, you didn't see that sasquatch or whatever it was. We believe you that you saw something. But there are some people that they just got caught up in the moment and they heard something or saw something that wasn't cowman. Yeah, like cow, man. That's where I'm going with all of this, is that we as a race, as human beings, we constantly search to explain the things that we see and experience. Sure. We look for an explanation of what and if there's something that happens to us that we don't know or understand, we assign these different things to it. And like, well, it had to have been this, that, or the other, because it's stuff that I don't know or understand. And I get that that's part of our human nature and part of our curiosity is trying to find the answers to what those things are. And I think that's a big part of what this podcast is all about. Absolutely. And I love that about this podcast. And I love that about this group of people and the group of listeners that I've encountered and that I've listened to is that we have this general curiosity about what's going on in the world, and there are things that we can explain. Sure. So let's find a way to explain some of that stuff. And if we can't, let's identify those things that we're probably maybe just not smart enough to understand. Most of the people we've talked to, a few people, I would say, would be definitely going out there looking, but the majority of people weren't looking for anything. Exactly. It just happened. And I think it would be interesting to if we sent you to a location that we knew there was a history to that you didn't. And then you reported back in saying, hey, you know, there was some this was kind of weird. This happened. It was kind of weird. It would be interesting because we would be giving these people confirmation, like, hey, look, someone but just that acknowledgement that, hey, you're not crazy. Like there's something going on there that even if I don't have a way to explain it, I can just objectively tell you what it is that I saw or heard or smelled or experienced that I don't have an explanation for it. And I'll be straight up with you. I don't understand. I don't know. I'm not the smartest guy in the room. If I am the smartest guy in the room, we're all in a bad.

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Maybe for some of your listeners or for some of your people, that would be like, a confirmation of what it is that they're experiencing. And maybe for some of the stuff, it would be a way to say that, hey, this is actually happening up here, and maybe we'll bring a little bit more light to it. Oh, yeah. I love it. I'm absolutely in on this idea. I think it's a fantastic idea. At the end of the day, I'm just trying to get an excuse to go camping. We'll figure out an excuse camping. Mike, you know what? Thank you so much for being on with us, man, tonight. I had very limited time to do this. I'm glad we did it. Anyway, I'm glad to get to meet you face to face. Well, gentlemen, it's absolutely been my pleasure. Like I said, Denny, you and I have talked on the phone for a little while, and, Tyler, we've never actually met, but I loved you at the minute that I saw you. I'm blushing. I know that. Yeah, he is true. I've known Josh. I've considered Josh my brother for most of my adult life and most of my entire life that I can remember. So a friend of Josh is a friend of mine. So it truly is an honor for you guys to invite me to be a part of this. I think the honor goes, man. I really appreciate it. You guys out there listening. What do you think? Should we do it? Is it too dangerous? Is it just dangerous enough? Because we want to expand. We want to grow this. We want to grow it a little bit more and go a little bit farther in this. I know the mid week, the midweek mysteries has been picking up. People seem to be looking forward to those every week. And in a way, it kind of created a little bit of a little bit of what do you call it, a conundrum, because now we are actively looking for things to bring you guys on our midweeks. I think I have the next one. I think I have it, but you're going to have to wait and see. So sorry for that. But I think what do you think? We're thinking that we'll see you guys on the next one.