S133: Could this be new dogman information? With guest Ricardo

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Something that would be in the context of the super described as being a great silver looking, upright, popular preacher, dragging a deer out of that cave, torn up the hill room

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because do you believe in demons? And it takes one big step and vanishes. I'm like, oh, my God, that was a big step. Look at these pictures of this white creature. Something seven foot, three to eight foot tall. Right? Now, if this was a fair, this bear was standing on his hind legs and he was running, like, a bit. Now, when it stood up, that's when I knew it was a dog in. Welcome Back, guys, to Kentucky. X Files We're so bad with sound effects. Yeah. We should still have one of those buttons like the air horn. It's supposed to do that. We should have one that like a baby crying. Let's just get a CNC. We just pull it and we get this random animal. I was like one of those cans. Like you get a cracker barrel. So, yeah, lots happen over the last couple of weeks. Me and Josh's health was assaulted. It took my lunch money. He was assaulted by the dentist. Yeah, he took my bike. It was bad. It was bad. I don't know if you've ever had the Novocaine wear off in the middle of a root canal, but one out of ten, I gave it a negative one. Don't recommend. Yeah. Any of anybody that's never had that happen. It is exactly what you think it feels like when they ripped the roots out of your teeth. Unpleasant. Unpleasant. I think toothpaine all around is just the worst. I'd rather get shot, but at least with mine, it was a pretty quick scenario. The next day, I felt wonderful. Better than I felt in months. However you had Delta Force. Yeah, I had the COVID-19 Delta's Force. I never flew in delta. No, I don't recommend Chuck. I'm going to say the same thing. Chuck Norris was kicking the crap out of your guts. He was? Yeah. I don't recommend that either. It was terrible. It was two weeks of agony. We had a lot of buffer episodes already recorded, so that's good. But tonight we're here because we ran out of those. Well, you guys out there listening, the behind the scenes is life comes up, life happens. And just in case it does, we want to continue making a show for you guys, and we want to be there for you. And like I said before, we try to help you get through whatever it is during your day that you're trying to make a little bit more fun. So sometimes we'll get together, we'll record one or two, maybe three episodes just so we have something, especially if we have something to talk about. And that's what we did. So this life happened, and we pretty much had to turn our stockpile up. Yeah. There was no way to get together and recording that. I would have felt absolutely terrible bringing COVID here to you guys. We'd considered doing the Zoom stuff or whatever, but we had enough episodes. We ran with it. The sound quality is better when we're all together anyways. Yeah. And we actually made the joke about using digital crickets. I know. I don't mind the idea, and I know with winter coming, I'm sure getting on the computers and doing an episode or two is probably going to happen. But if we can hold it off as long as possible, plus, hey, we got a whole fall season that's going to be awesome. And what's going to sound great with that other microphone? A fire burning. Am I right? I do have a fire pit right there. So you guys want to know what I'm super excited about? What? Travis Drum. Oh, yeah. Right off the rib. We're, like, three minutes in and I'm bringing up Travis again. Travis, hopefully you never copyright your name because I'm going to owe you a lot of pennies. Travis sent I don't know if you even will play on this, but Travis sent a voice message, and it's on the X Files page. I think Tyler's going to bring it up here so you guys can check it out. Very first voice message. Thank you, Travis. Thank you. You know, it made my day. Yeah, it was exciting. When I seen it come across, I did not listen to it because I wanted to be experiencing it with you guys. Absolutely. But we did have a discovery as far as why some of the people may not be giving us anchor voicemail. So it was the complexity of trying to find the link in order to send the anchor voicemail. Apparently that's been updated, and it should be showing on the episodes from here forward. If it isn't, I have no idea. And you know what? I'm sorry for raising my voice with you guys about sending voice messages in. That's my fault. I'll do better. You deserve better. So, yeah. You're going to play it? Yeah, we're going to see if it works. All right, here we go. Hey, guys, it's your top fan, Travis Drum. Just wanted to call in and leave you a voice message. Really appreciate what you guys are doing. The show is awesome. Keep up the good work, guys. Thanks. He had crickets, too. If that's not, like, the greatest thing ever, I don't know what it is. That's awesome. Yeah. Thank you, Travis. Thanks, man. Yeah, thanks, man. I told him, too when he sent it, I was like, dude, you made my whole day. Like, you made my day. Yeah. I don't know what else to say. That's freaking amazing. That's great. I'm glad I waited to listen to you guys. Listeners out there, let's all be like, Travis Trump. Send us a message. You guys can be a little like be sponsored. I'm tongue tied. You can be on the show without even calling in, so just leave a message. Be like Travis drum and the mothman. Yeah, you know, it's weird. That's weird you brought that up. I actually had a dream last night that the Mothman did send a message to us. Really? It freaked me out. Like, I totally woke up from it. Like, oh, my God. It was weird. Was it like a dressed like what was the name? I don't know. All I know is in the dream, we literally had a call during the show and we took it and it was like all kinds of craziness. And it started speaking and I'm like and then I don't remember either one of you guys in my dream literally looked at me and was like, what did you do? And I was like, I'm sorry. I didn't think he was going to really call. I thought it'd be cool. We wanted inred to call. Yeah, not so much. Not so much the moth. Not so much the mothman. It freaked me out. But you know what I found out that covered nightmares are pretty common. It messes with your head. It really does. I can attest to that. But I got something to share with you guys. I think I skimmed these. I admit that as much as I want to hold off on these emails until the show, there's always this part of me that it's kind of like I want to skim it because you really never know what you're getting. Example, check this one out. At first look, this looked like a regular email coming in, okay? And then afterwards when I started to read it, I was like, wait a minute. This guy is literally talking to me about my car's extended warranty. You know what I mean? Right? It looks like, hey, Dennis reaching out to you, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, about your car's warranty. And I'm like, you son of a bitch, you got me. So that's one of the reasons why I go ahead and I skim them. This one stood out. It sounds like a likely excuse. Big time. He's impatient. He wants to read it. There is that part. Usually what I do is I'll skim the top and then I'll kind of skim the bottom and make sure there's no warranty information or sales, and then I'll go ahead and forward it on. So we got this in. I think this one's pretty crazy.

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I don't know how to describe what I was feeling when I got this. All right, so dear Denny, Josh and Tyler, I think I actually know the spot where Denny had the encounter at the gas station. I had something scarily similar happened there too. It sounded like a huge animal roaring in the distance. I thought it was odd but dismissed it as just some random animal in the woods. I found your show because of your title Dog Man at the Gas Station. I found it very interesting, so I subscribed and listened and sure as hell, as you described it was the same spot. Crazy that we probably live fairly close. Anyway, I don't go to that one anymore. Lol, good luck on your adventures and I will be listening. You guys don't realize how important it is for the everyday man to be represented sorry. To be represented when it comes to these experiences and counters. Thank you guys. David s very cool. That was kind of an odd one for me because in theory these emails and experiences to be compared to hopefully find someone else who may or may not know that area. Now being on the receiving end of that, I can say that that's an odd feeling that David is out there. Obviously he knew exactly what I was talking about. I'm sure that the tornadoes gave it away. I'm almost certain tortillas but that he had something weird happened there too. That kind of makes me think it gets my gears turning a little bit. Like, okay, so if I heard something down there and he heard something down here, how many other people might have and then are they going to find that random ass title dog man at the Gas Station? So I don't know. Interesting stuff and I appreciate you writing in David. On the Dog Man topic, though, we actually have a guest who I've talked to him on and off a little bit. There was I think it's I might be wrong on this, but I think it's either Dog Man Believers only group on Facebook or maybe North American Dogman Project. I can't remember the group, but I want to say it was a shitty comment for me, okay? And I'll admit that I'm the first one that's going to own up to my own faults here. And the reason was this is I've said it before, there's a couple of big names out there and they keep promoting this image of the dog man, which is ferocious, huge, muscular creature, unafraid of you, unafraid of anything. It comes at you from nowhere. It's not afraid, it's terrifying, blah, blah, blah, until the camera comes out, apparently. And then I made a comment when people were talking about they made a post that said if a dog man lived on your property, would you move? And I said no, because I'll just put a couple of cameras out. They're terrified of those. And then someone was like, well, what do you mean by that? I was like, well, according to the thousands of stories out there, the dog man is out there in the open and he's completely unafraid of you. Yet the second a camera comes out, he turns into a shadow behind a bush somewhere snide comment on my part. And I'll be honest with you, I'm a little frustrated with the topic because I want to see the narratives actually line up. The photos and the stories I'm hearing are so polar opposite that I can't make sense of it. Somebody somewhere is off. Yeah, because if you listen to the Dog Man like you were saying, he's more out to make an appearance, like he's showing his strength, and he's not afraid. So why would he be afraid of you pulling something out, like a camera, whatever it may be? That's the problem. Especially some of these stores said that they shot it in the chest with a shotgun, and it just still comes at you. So why would it be afraid of a camera? But you could go and say, we don't have great pictures of the Sasquatch, but listen to the stories of the Sasquatch, though. That's exactly the Sasquatch doesn't really show itself unless it's really wanting to. Also, too, is the stories that you hear about the Sasquatch, if you look at the pictures, whether it's a real or hoaxed picture, that's not even my problem right now. It's that when you line up your pictures of Sasquatch in the stories, there's no conflicting narrative there. In the stories, they're like, we couldn't see it. It was back there, and then we barely saw it. Or sometimes someone will say, it stepped out and we saw it. And I think that could happen. When you see the pictures, they cooperate that you're not getting a great picture. Because, I mean, how easy can it be? Every story I've heard of the Bigfoot, it always ends up with, they were throwing rocks, they were calling or whatever it was anything and everything to get people away from them. Even in the most famous film ever, the Patterson Gimlin film, it was walking away. It was trying to get away. Right? So that's my thing, is in regards to the Bigfoot, and maybe somebody out there might say, like, well, you just like the Bigfoot better. It's not that any of it would be scary to me if I was out there alone or whatever and I came up against it. All I'm saying is that when it comes to the dog man topic, I have a problem with the conflict of what I'm hearing and what I'm seeing, and they don't match up very well in talking to this guy Ricardo, he has audio, he has video, he has pictures, and he's had experiences with the Dog Man. So me and him talked back and forth. He sent me a couple of things that were interesting, and eventually he reached out to me and he said, hey, you know what? If you want to get me on the show and we'll just talk it through, let's do it. Let's knock it out. I was like, all right. And the one thing that got me was he was a little reluctant at first. He didn't come right out and say, like, oh, yeah, let me tell you this. It wasn't something that he sounded too excited about. It was more like, okay, let me tell you what I got then. So I told him, I was like, all right, you know what? If you want to get on here, tell us your story, we'll listen, no pressure. Even though I say there's a conflict and narratives, I'm not talking about the people. I'm talking about the narrators, the ones that are putting these stories out to me, there's a conflict of how the information is coming out. It's told one way, and I'm not seeing it that way. So I want to see if maybe what Ricardo has to say may be a little different, or maybe it'll shed some light and maybe you guys out there, maybe you guys out there listening, maybe you'll hear something, and maybe you've had an experience similar. And if you have, don't hesitate. Reach out. Let me know what you think. So, yeah, that's what we got going on. We have other stuff too lined up, but I think we'll have to bump that stuff into the next episode or whatnot. And then I believe this week is going to be our first midweek show. That'll be really cool. We've got a special treat for that, too, that will be on YouTube if you want to watch it, or it'll be put out with the regular show here. How are we going to do that? Do you guys want to, like, mid week episode or how do we want to do that? Will it just continue the episode numbers going on? We asked the listeners to tell us what we should call it, and nobody named it. Nobody named it.

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I don't know that we really even have a theme for it. I think it's just going to be something we throw out in the middle of the week, and it is what it is. It's just going to be Kentucky X Files mid week. Well, I'm excited. I know we were talking about maybe touching in some of the weird news we've been into, and I'm really excited because I personally heard some interesting details out of the disclosure file that I wanted to bring up to you. You might already know about it, but I figured when we do the mid week, I want to throw it at you and get your reaction. Because I'll be quite honest with you, when I heard the news myself, I jumped online and I searched everywhere to see if it was just incorrect, and I couldn't find anything that didn't go with it. I was like, holy shit. Mind blowed. Yeah, this week's episode is definitely going to be about some wild stuff. It's going to be a touchy subject because it's fresh and it's in the news. Oh, yeah, definitely. We'll have to handle it with kid gloves, but yeah, I'm excited to talk about it, for sure. Absolutely. It's going to be good. Guys, going forward, I know you guys have heard us talk a little bit about some of our future plans and things we want to go into. Him, me and Tyler had a conversation briefly the other night talking about some equipment for the future of going on location and things like that, adding a drone, which is going to be awesome. I settled on the drone called a DJI Phantom, and it's a little on the pricey side, but there's a reason for that. And one of the reasons that I really wanted was the drone itself can basically go into a sentry mode where I figured if we go to a location, we can actually drop it, say, like on the hood of the truck and leave it, forget about it. And wherever we're at, we can hit it and tell it to come to us and it'll take off and come to us. And as it's coming, it'll record and show us what it's seeing. And I thought that would be really helpful. And you can plan it somewhere and the actual camera will oscillate on its own so the drone can sit still and the camera can sit there and we can move the camera even when it's not in the air. So I thought that's really cool. It'll be nice to have a remote recording camera that's going to be four k, and I thought that'll be handy. Definitely one of the biggest things was when me and him were talking. And I think the people out there listening will really like this is I've had a lot of downtime over the last two weeks, I can tell you right now. I've watched my fair share of some really crappy documentaries, if I'm being honest. Some of them were like TV shows. There was a couple I couldn't even get through the first couple of episodes. They were really bad. And I was like, okay, so this isn't we're not about this. So you folks out there, I'd love to hear your opinion of this. We would like to do a documentary eventually, or at least go on location and show you guys what we're seeing. The problem is that I don't want to promise you anything. I don't want to make empty promises about this stuff. Like, we're going to go out there and we're going to find the big guy. We're going to go out there and find Ghost. I can't do that because we want to keep our show as honest as possible. So I thought, like I mentioned to Tyler, said, hey, you know, what if we're the documentary, what if it's us? What if it's not? So much we're going out there to find something, but what if we take our listeners and we take our viewers? Let's take these guys with us. If something happens, they're right there with us. If nothing happens, they're right there. With us. If they saw something that we didn't notice, they're right there with us. And instead of promising them, promising you guys out, there something that we can't honestly sit and say that we know is going to happen. Why don't you guys go out there with us? We'll take our cameras. We'll get stupid with this. We'll put cameras everywhere. We are some maguire, kentucky guys. We will literally get out there, and we will rig up whatever we have to to try to capture something for you guys. Don't be shocked if there's a bigfoot walking around with a velcro camera stuck to his ass. That was us. We did that. We're going to do that. All I'm saying is that I don't want to give you empty promises. I want to take you with us, and I want us to figure this out together. And if something happens, if we're in the middle of something, if we're out in the middle of a cabin in the woods and things are happening outside the cabin, the cameras will be on, and I want you in the middle of that with us. And whether if it turns out to be fake, I want you guys there to help us figure that out. Because if we're being hoaxed, we're going to figure that out, too. You know what I mean? So that was my thought that it's just been stuck in my head. It's like, man, I want to take everybody with us into this. I don't want to just show you, like, hey, check out this spooky location, guys. There's probably a ghost there. I don't want to do that. Let's walk through it together. There's at least 100 shows out there that have been hunting bigfoot for years that's what I'm saying. That have never found anything. They've been hunting forever. Absolutely. But that's where the money is hunting, not finding. Yeah, remember the whole thing? It's more about the mystery machine. It's not about the actual solving of the riddle. It's just stringing you along, and I just don't want to do that. I'd rather take people with us and be like, hey, if you guys see something that we missed, let us know. I want to know. Even if it creeps me out later. I don't care. Just show it to us. I think it'd be really fun. I agree. Maybe we'll get lucky. Maybe we'll find something. I don't know. But regardless, I think we'll definitely have fun along the way. But yeah, I'm sorry about that. Sorry about that big rant. I'm really excited about that, and I'm really excited for what the future might hold. And the fact that we're going at this with this mentality, it's very important to me that we have this integrity, like you said, I don't care if it's debunked, show me. I'm okay with that. I don't care if it's real, it's real. If it's not real, show me. I want to see. I want to see all of it, and then we can figure it out from there. Absolutely. Absolutely. So, yeah, I guess tyler, whenever you're ready. Let's give this guy a call. Everybody welcome ricardo, to the show.

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Hello? Hello. Is this ricardo? Yeah, this is ricardo. How are you, man? All right. This is dennis. We mean, you've been talking off and on here. I don't know if you can hear us real good. If you can't, let us know. Yeah, I could. Okay, good. Yeah, man. I couldn't remember the group that me and you were talking on. I don't remember, either. There's a lot of them. I know there's a bunch of them, but I remember you sent me a couple of audio files, which I thought were pretty interesting, and then you said you've actually had some experiences with the dog, man. Basically. Yes, I have. No, we were actually, honestly, like I said earlier, man, no pressure. We would just like to hear what you've experienced, because when we tend to go out there online and look into this, honestly, what we get is kind of a big conflict in what we're being told and then what we're seeing. You know what I mean? So to hear it from someone who's experienced it is to us, it's very important, because I feel like some of the stories were being fed from other places are being maybe edited or tampered with. You know what I mean? So I'd like to just hear it uncut, whatever you're comfortable with sharing. Right? Well, what you're saying Is obviously true. I think a lot of the crypto swallow study has become like an entertainment industry instead of real life, so you get a lot of tainted information when you go to certain groups or certain stories that come out. For me, when I had my first encounter, it was something unexpected. I was leaving my front door to get some water from the trunk of my car. My wife drinks the bottled water that you buy at walmart and whatnot. So I went to grab one of those 40 bottle container things to bring it into the house, and I noticed there was some eyes shine down on the property because we had a long driveway. I don't live there anymore. We had a long driveway, and it was coming towards me, crouched down. And for me, at first, I thought it was just one of the stray cats, and I kept going, doing my business of opening the trunk and pulling it out. But every time I look back, it was getting closer, and that kind of, like, irked me or freaked me out, because the cat that was there was a stray cat, and in my mind, the stray cat would no way be coming towards me. He'd be leaving away from me, not towards me. So I kept on looking back every so often, and I'm putting the stuff on the floor, closing the trunk. At one point, I stopped, turned around completely and it's in the shadows so all I can see is the eyeshine. So I decided to go forward a little to see what it was. And whatever it was at the time I didn't know what it was. Went backwards like on all fours while still staring at me really. Now that got kind of even more interesting because whatever it is, is really focused on me and doesn't want to turn his head or anything but it's going backwards while still staring at me. So I went forward again and it went backwards again while still staring at me. So at one point, I'm saying, what the hell are you? And I walked straight towards it, and this thing just started in reverse while still staring at me and got to the first tree that was on the property. And when it got to the tree, the eyeshine goes from being low to the ground to probably about five or 6ft up. And I'm like, what the hell? And then it climbed the tree and you can hear some of the branches break off and coming down when I got up. So I got back to the water and whatnot walk out of the house and I have hit lamp that I came outside with but by then it was gone after that. I told that week, me and my neighborhood, you buy stuff at Marketplace on Facebook. So I had bought something, I don't even remember what it was. I told my neighbor if I could borrow his truck or if he can go with me to go pick it up and he said yeah, sure. It was like a Saturday or Sunday, I believe it was a Sunday and we went down there and me joking around told him hey listen, have you ever seen something strange in the property? Because I saw this just the other day and all of sudden a he looked at me and he goes well on Thursday and he starts telling me that he went down. Now, where we live there's a state trail that goes into a marsh area and that trail is probably about half a mile from the house. So him and his wife at somewhere around 11:00 at night time decided to walk down to that trail and walk the trail. And then when they got to a certain spot they turned around and came back. And as they're coming back they hear footsteps on the right side paralleling them. His wife kind of freaked out or whatever and it got to the point where they'd stop, they'd stop, they'd walk, they'd walk and they would hear this heavy breathing, heavy breathing, huffing sound. So his wife got kind of scared and then being religious she told him to pray because she was freaking out so they kind of prayed and they were walking and it was still paralleling them and they got to the road and when they got to the. Road. He heard what you would sound like clicking on the floor to best illustrate it. You know how a dog that has long nails, his nails clicks on the concrete or the tile? Well, he heard kind of that, and he turned around, he didn't see nothing, but he had a flashlight with him. And when he flashlight into the woods, he saw five sets of eyeshine. And one of the sets was red. It was like amberish color. He says, so me not thinking crypto, I'm looking, were they coyotes? Were they wolves? Were the owls? How tall, how high up where the eye shine? And he goes, about six or 7ft off the floor. And I'm like, oh, that's not coyotes, or that's not wolves. So then he started describing that they were making some type of noises. I first my mind, well, bigfoot, maybe. So I went on YouTube and I started looking up for vocalizations of bigfoot, whatever. And he goes, no. And out of curiosity, I went into the North American dog man project website, and there's a particular audio, and I hit that, and when I hit it, this guy by then, we were eating this guy, he stopped eating. His eyeballs just grew. He looked at me, you can see his hairs go up. He had goose pit bulls. And he says, that's what I heard in my mind. I'm like, great. Are you serious? You say we have a dogwood of the property? Come on. Come on. Are you serious? The interesting part is your first encounter, you said it retreated back and then went up in a tree. That's an interesting behavior in biology, because it's common in big cats. They'll retreat, but they'll always retreat to a place of advantage where if you chase, they can come down onto you. You know what? I find that that's an interesting detail. Yeah, go ahead, man. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to go ahead. Like I said, if you have any questions during whatever I'm saying, go ahead and ask. So that started off like a full year's worth of, like, every weekend or every other weekend, you'd have something happening on the property, whether it be them running around the property, whether it be us doing a bonfire, getting rocks thrown at us in the morning while I was sleeping. You can hear the as they ran across the yard. It was just a lot of things. So what happened was, back then, I've always been into cryptozoology, but back then, I began to try to reach out to people to find out things about them, because you can always find somebody to talk to when it comes to bigfoot. But dog man is like, you don't find nobody. Back then, all I was getting was right, but all I was getting was, like, the fear monitoring evil, whatever, this and that, and that's not what I was living. Literally, that was not what I was living. To me, they looked like stray dogs. That not looked like, but they were acting like stray dogs who just found a curiosity at the property. Okay, that's what I was of dread or anything from them. You just got the sense of the first time that I got the sense of dread was there are two occasions that sparked my curiosity in researching them. One was one day I had two dogs. Now both dogs are now ten by ten kennels on the south side of the property. And I would go let the dogs out because it's night time. They know they were going to get fed, so they run automatically to the front door. I let them in, they go into their crates and they're fed there. The last dog was a bulldog, and he's out. He runs towards the door. If I'm walking towards the front of the house, I see two large eyes shine. At first I thought there were mailboxes. I'm looking at these two things and thinking to myself, mailbox as I'm walking towards the front door, all of a sudden the two eye shines, turned the head, and then that's when I realized, crap, this thing is like staring right at me. It's in front of the street, staring right at me. I can't tell you where it was standing on. His eyes shine were higher than the mailbox. If it was standing if it was sitting down in front of the mailbox, which would have been on the road sitting down, it would have been higher than 4ft because the mailboxes are about 4ft high because the pole was kind of on the slope and these eyeshades were higher up. If it was standing on the slope, on the bottom of the slope, easily, it would have been seven foot. Okay. Because it was a culvert. So the mailbox was up on top of where the culvert was, but I couldn't see if it was on the ditch or on the street because of the darkness where it's country, so you don't have lights in the streets. I was going to ask that question too. I was going to ask about the geography, about where this happened. You said you're pretty close to a trailhead. Yes. I would say north of the house or east of the house there was a trailhead that led to a marsh. So it's pretty dense woods and not a lot of houses out there. Not a lot of houses. It's more farmland. By then there was the corn was beginning to grow. Okay, so you got patches of woods in a lot of fields. Corn fields. Okay, so you're in sort of flat flat area then. Yes. Just trying to get my head wrapped around the geography of the area. Yes. I actually wanted to ask sorry, I just wanted to ask you said you had some feelings of dread a couple of times. Did your dogs ever react to you said that you had a couple of times of one time. Oh, one time. My bad. Has your dogs like any animals that you had there? Have they acted funny towards any of these things, these occurrences? No. My Belgian melanor now, again, I've bred dogs for many years, and I've trained dogs. Some of the dogs I've trained are police dogs, military dogs. Your average pet might act a certain way versus a dog that's been bred to have no self preservation. My Belgian, Melanie, she just would go ballistic, wanted to attack. I mean, every time they would come around, she'd just go nuts in her crate. I mean, not the crate, the ten by ten kennel outside. You can hear her just bouncing off that kennel. The bulldog was more of, you don't bother me, I don't bother you. So you'd see his tail go up and he'd focus somewhere, but he wouldn't bark. He wouldn't do anything.

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If you would see him, you would see that he was paying attention, but he wasn't going nuts. Okay. The shepherd, the Belgian mountain was forget it. That dog would just if they were out there and you would let her kennel open, she'd be dumb enough to go, attack. That was just her. She was just nuts. The day I felt dread dread, we had a house fire. And that night, I was removing the floor, the vinyl floor that had gotten burnt, and some cabinets. So I'm using some power tools and whatnot, and I put the old cabinet outside. And at one point, I needed the utility knife, and the utility knife was outside the cabinet, so I walked outside. Now, there is no spotlight on the back of the house. There's a spotlight on the side of the house. So in the back of the house, the only light that illuminates is the inside lights because it's a sliding glass door. So the kitchen light can illuminate some parts of the back. So I walk out the siding door, took a right towards the cabinet, and this feeling of dread just came over me. I mean, like this. I'm going to die. You're done for. Your heart starts racing. You're feeling kind of nervous. Your hands are kind of shaky, bent over. And this feeling in my head, nothing that I've ever felt before, okay? And then I'm trying to figure out what's going on, right, because I've never felt this before. And my brain tells me, look behind you. So I switched around really quickly to look behind me. And sure enough, behind me, there was a white dog man that was halfway looking to the side of the house at me. It turned back, so all you saw was half his face and half an eyeball. And I put my back to the house. So now it's on my left hand, and I look towards my right, because for some apparent reason, for me, that feeling was coming from my right side, from where I was facing. And when I'm looking and trying to focus. I actually see a black shadow coming in from where the cornfield is at, coming towards me. But obviously, I'm focusing on the one that I did see, the white one behind me, because since it's white, even though it's not completely clear outside, you can really see him because of the change in the difference in color. And as I put my back to it, I'm looking left and right, I realized there was three more in the cornfield that's in front of me because they're surrounded by cornfields. And my mind is going, great. This is not even funny, right? But I had my one year old son inside, and my wife was inside. And I don't know what happened in my brain, what switched in my mind. I guess it was because I was a correctional officer, so I've been in tough situations, but it was more of a well, if I yell for my wife or whatever, then that can go bad. The door will go open if they can go inside. I don't know much about them at that point, so I don't know. It was just a switch in my brain that went from get the hell out of here to what the hell? I'm going to die. I want to die here. Family is not coming outside. You're looking at one. You're looking at one. But the dread is not coming from that one. It's coming from to your right. Right? Yes. Just hearing this from you, I'm getting this kind of a scenario of there's two different groups here that are not maybe acting the same, or maybe they're not agreeing on what needs to happen. You know what I mean? Like, you got some over here that have a threatening well, okay. Through the years, I realized through research, the one in my right was the one that was letting off the growl infrasound. Okay. The one in my other side wasn't. He was just observing. So the one that I was getting that sound from was the actual one that was having that low pitch infrasound growl type. So I was getting that feeling from him. What I got off of that was that was that he was the one that was the lead, and the other one was just observing, following the lead. That's what I was curious about. Were there multiples or were they all together? You know what I mean? Yeah, there were five. I get you. One was the lead, and this I'm telling you because after spending a year there, you eventually saw each one of them in different time periods. One was black with two white markings coming from the back of the ear that would stop in the front of the chest. One was white. One was, like, a grayish brown color. One was brown with, like, black tips of hair, and the other one was black. Okay. And those consisted of the five. That night, I stood up with my utility knife. Now, I'm not saying that I was able to fight off five with a utility knife, but the fear left me. The fear, because, again, I have a child inside the house. I have a wife inside the house, and I'm not going to have them come outside. So I don't know if I became brave, if I became bold. I don't know what the heck. But I stood up tall with the utility knife in my hand. I remember which I'll repeat this. I don't know why I said this. This was just something that just blurred out. The reason I probably said it was to calm my nerves, how when you get nervous, you tend to talk to yourself, and you tend to play out scenarios in your head, right? Sure. That's what I was kind of doing in my head. But I was saying it loud enough. All I said was, this is my house. I ain't running back off. And again, it sounds stupid, and I don't know don't ask me why I said it during that time period, because I was just risked before that. But I said it twice, and for some apparent reason, the one that was I'm going to use the word threatening more, began to back off and reverse, and then the other ones began to leave back into the cornfield. Okay? So in my mind as a researcher now, it was like, okay. That night I learned something. If I stood my ground, if I acted bold, not threatening, but just bold, they're really not going to act more aggressively. And that played out for the rest of the year of me becoming I don't know how you would say it, but it's like you'd walk around the yard at nighttime getting up the dogs and whatnot, and you would see them in the corner field, and I'd go, yeah, I know you're there. And he just ducked back down. One time, I was with an eye witness on the phone, and there was a white one in front of the window looking at me. Only reason I knew it was because it turned. And when it turned, I noticed the reflection of it turning on the glass. But to me, that moment in that house, that property, and they were just curious because me and the neighbors weren't scared of it. Now, that led to we created a little team of wildlife nuisance officers, biologists, and

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people that wanted to go and learn more. We have one who was Native American as well in the team, and we informed groups to go out in different places throughout the states. And I began with the information that I gathered from the property. I began to use that information out in different states. The first state that I gathered, or I tested out, one of my calls was in Tennessee. And in Tennessee, I got four hits in four different places on that. On one night, meaning? Meaning I got a visual on the IR or visual visual on all four occasions. From there, obviously you study the time frame where you were at and whatnot and you realize that every time that I played that vocalization, it was in the same topography every single time. And every single time you'd have a dogma club in that you saw them together, you saw them move. Do they move like a team?

Participant #1:
Yes. What's the right word I'm looking for? Are they synchronized?

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Yes. I have another question for you, for my own information, if you wouldn't mind. How close are you to a military basis where I was before? None. No? Okay. I actually have a question since you've actually seen actual, like, the colors of their fur and stuff, what is your interpretation of what do they look like? Because we have a vast difference. They say that they look jacked. They have, like what are the haunches? They kind of have the look of a German shepherd. Do you recall any kind of distinctive market like features that you can tell, like, the physiology? Okay. In the states that I've seen dogma and I've seen dogma in different states, right. There's two main looks, and I'm going to use these words right now just for sake of terminology. Then I'll describe what each look would look like. One will be like the Van Halsen look, and one will look like have you ever seen the first Vic conduct show? The black one on the podcast? Yeah. Okay. No, the enumerated is the one that I would describe as the Valley Hillsman. Okay. More straight. More when it stands up, it's like really straight up. Tall ears. Their arms are long, but not that long. They're more slender, more basketball type. Okay. And then the other ones are more on, like, hunched over. You have the back between the neck and the shoulders. The traps are larger. Longer arms. And the other ones,

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they all have hawks. Now, the difference in the hawks is that some individuals have longer hawks than others. Okay. I don't know if that makes sense to you. Okay. Some longer and lengthier. Would you say that's kind of where I'm at in regards to one might look like a combination between a human and a wolf. Right. And the other one looks like between a bear, a wolf and a gorilla. Okay. Does that make sense? Okay, that one's more, but again more stockier, more heavier. Bigger head, bigger back wide. Probably the quads are larger, thicker. Then you have those that are more skinny, lankier basketball type. Still muscular, but just not body builder type material. When you're looking at one of these things, you're sitting there and you're seeing this. And obviously I can't imagine you ever getting really used to seeing them, but does it look like something natural to you? Yes, it looks like it's every single time. Okay. That's what I was kind of curious about does it look natural or does it look that question. Okay. Naturally engineered? I don't know that's the right way to put it, but I've always wondered if this is something that we made.

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If you look at some of them long enough, you may or may not come to that conclusion that they're engineered. Okay. You have some that are some might have more of a lion type tail. Some have a bushier foxlike tail. Some of them have longer ears. Some have shorter ears. Some of them have longer jaw muscles with no face on their face. Others their face looks more like a hound or a Newfoundland with tall ears. So then some of the tracks that I have, some have the heel is tilted, which we don't know yet, but it may or may not be part of the carpool pad. Yeah, but it's funny because the carpool pad, a slanted carpool pad, is only seating cats, not in dogs. Well, that is an interesting detail. Right. And then some of their prints are round like a cat to me. It's because of the tree climbing thing. It's obviously cannon. So why would the tree climbing be a part of it? That's where I lean towards maybe it's an engineered creature. You know what I mean? Right. And like I said, when you look at it, you'll see little flies flying over its face like any other animal. You'll have nuisance bugs around it or whatever. So when you look at it, when you really look at a dog man, you know it's a creature. About the engineering part, it's like, okay, if you look at it long enough in different states, you might get that idea at one point or the other. Right? Yeah. But then when you look at their intelligence, then it's like that's where some of the thoughts of them being around for ages and generations, okay. Not something recently, because they are very smart. They can mimic. They synchronize their movements to loud noises. Like, I had one eyewitness called me up around 100 in the morning. She went on vacation and the cabin was all glass. And it just happened that there was a pack of dog men in the property. But they would move towards every time the heater would turn on, they would move to that sound. They wouldn't move anytime else. At one point, they realized that she was more alert, so they went to the other side of the house where her husband was at because her husband was not paying attention. Okay, that's where storms go ahead. No, I was going to say that's kind of part of to me, one of the biggest mysteries of the whole topic is we hear the stories, we hear about the behavior, and there's an obvious behavioral pattern that seems to play out over and over again. But I can't help but wonder, what are they doing? What is the point? Are they stalking prey? Are they learning? Are they curious? I don't really know what I mean. I don't follow with what is it's modus operandi? What's the point of it? I'll tell you, okay. Through time, I've helped many eyewitnesses stop bad activity in the property. And I can send you emails. I can send you PMS of some of the cases that would be fantastic. Different people from across the world from, you name it, in the States, even from European countries. So we haven't been able to stop the bad activities. Okay, why is there bad activities in every case throughout the States and in Europe, in every case, not one or two cases. In every single case. The reason there's a bad activity is because there's a change in the environment. Rather, it doesn't matter. Some people think, oh, because it's a negative. No, it can be something as simple as, let's say a mom or dad are getting a divorce. Now, you know when a mom and dad get a divorce, sometimes if it's a bad divorce, there's screaming and hollering, there's kids crying, there's added trucks, there's added stress to the environment, to the property because of the divorce and the move. Right. Okay, so they all come up as curious to figure out what the hell is going on. Why is all this commotion? This commotion wasn't here before. And then, depending on how fast that commotion rather escalates or dwells down, the dog will continue looking through the windows, will continue trying to figure out what's going on. Now, what happens is they can go both ways. The person doesn't care, the commotion dwindles, and it stops. Or the realizes there's a dog man there, freaks the crap out, now becomes negative towards the dog man. Okay, dog man. If you act stupid, they'll act even more stupid. Okay, so then things go bad, but it's all because you acted stupid. Yes, it's there. Yes. You're scared. Okay, so they're reacting to our behavior, right? Exactly. They're there because something's going on in the property. So what happened and how I figured how I figured what was going on. Why would they care if there's a change in the environment, right? Yeah. Because that was the first question. Why would they care? Because it didn't matter if it was a negative. Like, for instance, let's say you just bought a house in the woods, and that house has been not lived in for a year, right? And then you moved in. You bought the house, you moved in. Well, obviously, when you move in, you're probably going to do some remodeling, some painting. You're definitely going to come in with trucks and cars. There's more people. That alone can cause them to start visiting you because it's new. It's a change in the environment. Okay, so one day, February, I was in Illinois, and I kind of already knew an estimate on when they would have pups. And again, it's an estimate. It's a guess, right. We don't know for sure, okay? But it's one of the things and I was down there. It was February, and I'm trying to figure out if I can see tracks and whatnot. And I don't know if I sent you that vocalization. They huffed at me. Yeah, you did. Well, okay. Well, that day was a significant day in research, right? I went down there, and I'm looking down the floor. I'm trying to see for prints. It's February, but it had rained, like, a couple of days ago. So I'm trying to see if some of the ground had melted or whatever and if there was actual prints there. So as I'm looking around, I look up, and all I see is a big black head for seconds, and I start screaming to my buddy who's on a trail behind me, and I start screaming, behind me, behind me. But I'm still looking forward. I'm really pointing behind me. Yeah. He goes, Is there something behind me? Is there something behind me? Because through years, you realize if you see one in front of you, there's one behind you. Guaranteed, okay? And sure enough, dad goes, yes, he's right there. He's right there, dad, keep an eye on him. Keep an eye on him. So now I realize I got one in front of me and one behind me, right? I can't run much because I'm in a frozen marshy area. So I'm trying to step back, and these two guys began to do these popping sounds, these crackling sounds. It sounded like if you were in the tropics and coconuts were falling down on the floor. Yeah. And they started doing semicircles from left to right, from right to left, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. And Dave goes and says, I think you better get out of there, okay? I still stepping backwards, and you can hear the twigs snapping and then going back and forth. And I'm stepping backwards. Dave. I got to Dave, and I'm really upset. Like, Dave, they're right frickin here. How the hell did I don't have anything to record this with. And he goes, yeah, but you better step out. It's, like, stuck. And I was mad. I was mad, and I grabbed my phone, took it out, and I pressed record, and I went forward again. And the minute went forward, things calm down, and Dave was like he was trying to tell me, like, dude, what are you doing? In my mind, I'm like, I'm mad because they're right here, and I have nothing. I left everything in the car recorders, parabolics, everything. I left the head, left them in the car. And all of a sudden, as I'm going forward, that's when you hear the huff. And Dave goes, there you go. And I'm like crap. Forget it. I'll just leave. But as I'm leaving, I'm seeing, from my point of view, houses, okay? Right? This is 130 in the afternoon. I get out now. I studied animal behavior. He trained dogs. I was a correctional officer for many years, CIP certified. So I study human behavior as well as I'm walking on it's. Like dad. That's impossible. What the hell? It's 130 in the afternoon. How in the world are cryptids that are supposed to be elusive doing all this crap at 130 in the afternoon when the sun is out? I couldn't understand it. We got to the car, we sat down, and I started going through my head right before I went through my head. There's houses there. There's a bunch of houses there. Why are they going ballistic when there's houses there? I'm pretty sure somebody may have been out and heard all this emotion. Yeah, you think so, right? And then all of a sudden, I'm like, Dave, if I'm a wild animal, if I'm a dog, even if I'm a human, and if I want to be secretive, the only way in my mind that I would go ballistic is if I was defending something. Okay. If I'm defending a den. Okay, that you were close to a den is what you were thinking, right? Yes. Prior the first story that we got from that area was from an eyewitness that saw two large dog men and four smaller dog men, about four to 5ft running from the place that I had the huff to the forest down probably 2 miles down that same road. I would have saw them going, crossing the cornfield and crossing the roads to the main forest. So with that information, I'm like, okay, so they must have been born on this side and never going that way. And now at this time frame, it correlates to what I know about birthing. They must be protecting a dead somewhere. So then I went back and I called every eyewitness that I ever talked to. That was a long week. I send messages and text messages and whatnot, and sure enough, every single eyewitnesses that had activity in the property at one point or the other saw pups. Wow. Okay, so bingo. The reason some dogs tend to do dens near homes. Okay. Okay. And yes, some eyewitnesses have confirmed that there's a den type structure in the back of the property somewhere. Okay. Like I said, I would have confirmed this, but dog men have when they live next to a property for so many years, they realize that this area is good, it's safe. So the people that were living there are probably good people, quiet people. Right. So they end up making a den somewhere back next to a river or whatnot, where people hardly go down there. But when event switches, like I said, a dramatic event switches at the property, then obviously they're going to be cautious and eerie because they got puffs around. So what you're describing to me is they are hyper aware of their environment and their immediate surroundings. Yes. So they take it in that this is. The way things are normally, and when something drastic changes, that's when they get interested. Yes. And they begin to surveil. That's kind of where I'm trying to learn is the one that came up and blasted you with the infrasound, was it testing me? What was it doing? Was it trying to see if you're the day before that week and this is the only reason that I can today fit in my mind why that happened that day. I think probably a day or two before that week somewhere, sometime during that week before that time frame, I remember that I was talking to you about the eyeshine at the mailbox. I literally went straight to it. I walked straight to it. I get you. I'm dumb, stupid, I don't know, right? But in my mind, I wanted to confirm what I was seeing. I walked straight up to it. It moved to some bushes, some great vines and some bushes. When you walked down the trailer, it was on my left side. That's where I first saw it. Like his head and shoulders. Okay, so my belief again, it's my belief, my opinion that because I was bold enough to walk to it that week, when they saw me outside, I don't know, maybe they wanted to see how bold I was, right? Or whatnot? I have a slightest idea. But that happened after that scenario, that situation. I never got, like, surrounded by my property. Me and another buddy got surrounded on the marsh. But it wasn't like that. I'd like to ask a question more of that. I think that all the viewers at this point want to know for sure is as comfortable as you seem around them and as many times you've seen them. Do you have any pictures? Yeah,

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I got pictures of myself and witnesses that I work with. And I got pictures where I don't have to circle it. I got pictures that I don't have to. Basically, I give you the phone and you're going to say, holy shit. Are you comfortable with sharing those

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pictures that I have? Again, half the pictures that I have are from specific eyewitnesses, the ones that I do have for myself. Since I started, my main focus was behavioral aspects. I'll have pictures that I've shared with prints, different prints. Pictures of not pictures, audio, vocalizations. I got different vocalizations. Those I've shared. I don't tend to share much evidence as pictures of that because the crypto logical world has become more not all, but to some aspect in entertainment industry.

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Right. Everybody will say, oh, that's fake, or this is that, or this is the gap. No matter how good the picture is, people will always find a fault to it because it's too good to be true. Our listener base that they're very open minded individuals. And one thing we have going with them, with the ones who follow this show, is it's like a roundtable. Everyone kind of gets to sit and share what they want to share, and then we don't really seem to have that hateful kind of condescending whatever. Yeah, not a lot of negative comments. Yeah, it's one of them things where if you're comfortable with sharing anything, they'll appreciate it. I mean, I can't see but no matter what, if you don't want to share it, that's understandable, because not everybody it's just one of those things. You've got your proof, but everybody wants their own proof. But sure, if you got your proof, by all means. That's worth its weight in gold anyways. But like Denise said here, if you are willing to share it with us, by all means. It's completely because I've shared some audios with Denise. I believe it's. Like I said, I have a lot of stuff on my phone, but I've had people which is funny, right? This is funny. I've had people I'll use the word in the community, right, question. Because, again, if I go to somebody's house and the person shows me a clear shot picture and gives it to me, I'm not going to go show it around if the person doesn't want to. There's many of us, including myself, that can find a location based on its surroundings. There are some plants that don't grow anywhere else besides Florida. There are some plants that don't grow anywhere else besides Minnesota. So sometimes when you show a picture, believe it or not, I can find the background and kind of locate if there's a specific area or not or that plant only grows. But besides that, I've had it in the community. People who question, I've invited to the field. And this is interesting, I won't mention names because it's not about mentioning names, but I've invited to the field multiple people that are common in the community. Okay. I've invited to the field. Even some authors, as well as I can hear your crickets in the background. I'm sorry about that. I've yet to hear their response to go out in the field. No, I've been reaching out to somebody. You don't get anything back from them, like I said, and I've invited them. One person, I had to really pay my flight to get to them, right? Yeah. And I was willing to pay my flight to that person and go out and research. And the information I got from that person was that I don't research the information that I get from my witnesses, even though they're in his same state. And then I don't trust these things, and I don't go into the property. Well, I don't trust them either. It doesn't mean I can't go researching. Right. You know what I'm saying? But I've yet to have somebody out there that says this and that, and yet I'll invite them and has said, okay, come on. Each person has rather gone silent, gotten quiet, or has said no. And that's the sad part, because if you want information, then you have to be willing to do some work absolutely. To take the first step. But you don't get that. That's why, when you asked me to be on the show, I was kind of a little bit because normally I'm not somebody to be on shows. Yeah. I don't consider it a cryptid show, really. I think what we more or less do here is we take all the information that we're given, and we just hash it out. We go through, and we look at it. We try to ask questions that everybody's thinking, you know what I mean? The dog man for us on the show, if I can speak and say that way, then for us, it's a problematic community, and it's a very conflicted community out there. And unfortunately, I think that there's a lot of fictions being pushed out as fact, and that's where I've had my main problems with it, like I said earlier, is on one narrative, the dog man acts a certain way, and then when it comes to the pudding, you know what I mean? The proof, it never seems to match what these narratives are pushing. And honestly, listening to what you've had to say tonight is kind of a fresh take for me, because I never heard you tell us anything that went with those narratives that I have heard before. You know what I mean? You seem to have kind of a field researcher's point of view of it. It's more of a species that you're investigating, and it's fascinating to me. I think, honestly, I've said this before to other people. I find that go out and do this. Thank goodness that you're going out to these places that the rest of us are afraid to go to and to do this. I would even, like, throw this out there, too, because we actually want to go on some expeditions ourselves. If you would, like, have us on one of your expeditions, I'd be totally done for that. That would be awesome. I would like to actually see some of this for myself. Absolutely. What state are you guys in? We're in Kentucky. Good old Kentucky. Good old Kentucky. We have our own share of infamous dog men stories here, too. It's odd here because we have one big story as everybody kind of goes back to, is the LBL. And unfortunately, I feel like every dog man researcher in Kentucky is investigating that place. So I don't personally feel that we're needed down there. I feel like it's quite saturated in researchers. Right. And then the thing is, with the LBL, just the other day, I was talking to commenting on a group. It has its own narrative, and it's sad because people look at it as well. That was unprovoked attack. Well, we only know the aftermath. We don't know what happened prior. Yeah. So we can't say that it was unprovoked, because I'm pretty sure if any of you guys are fathers, right? And you're bending over trying to jack up an RV, and this thing comes out of the woods. You're not going to defend your son.

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Yeah. So what could have happened? We don't know. We do not know what could have happened. Prior and then on top of that, you get some sketches from the witnesses that were in the area that you can find on Google. When it comes to LBL, that sketch is not a dogman. Yeah, I've seen that. I've noticed that myself. That whole thing with the LBL, for one, it's hard to find. It's hard to find. Actual hard record of it. Everything I found is this guy saying it or this guy saying it, but you never really find

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the only thing that you can find for real is if you go down to the LBL at midnight. Okay. Now, the LBL, I can tell you this because I passed through there. I bought property in Tennessee, so I'll be closer down to Tennessee to that area. So one night I decided to go to the LBL. What the hell? Let's go straight smack to the LBL. And I'm going to rent a car. And I'm in the north side. Now, through the years, you get to hear vocalizations that dog men do vocalizations that you don't find on Facebook. They'll do something like the African spotted dog. Yeah, the African painted dog. I think I'm familiar with it. Is it spotted? Spotted plain? They make these no, it's a dog type of dog. Spotted. The African wild dog. Okay, there you go. The African wild dog has this, like, whistle clicking sound to it. Okay, well, dog men can do the same thing, but very low pitch, so you have to really pay attention. So as I'm entering, I'm in the LBL, the first thing I notice is there's no cars going to the middle of the LBL. Like, no cars whatsoever, right? And as I'm slowing down, trying to hear the woods, whatever, I hear that vocalization that going back and forth. And as I stopped, because I heard it, you can hear whatever it was going back into the woods. Okay, so I got something here. At one point, you hear the crickets and the wildlife, and as I got close to it, it was silent. So, okay, something has to be around here because this is parking my curiosity. So somewhere through the middle of the northern side of the LBL, I slowed down the car to about 25 miles an hour, maybe, I don't know. And just imagine this picture, right? Imagine this picture of me slowing down. And I have my head lamp, which should be on my head, on my left hand, on my right hand. But my right elbow is on the steering column, slow. So I'm not really and I played my vocalization, my key vocalization on the sequence that I played. Now the window is slightly down. I'm looking out, right? I'm trying to look to the side view mirror in case I don't get jacked to that side. And my finger is on the window so I can't have to put it up. And I'm going slow and I hit the three vocalizations the three times, and I'm going slowly. And all of a sudden, dude, it felt like if my back window was open and this thing stuck his head in the back window passenger side. The growl that camel huff that came through that window and that window was closed was so strong, my headlamp flew to the passenger side. My phone flew through the passenger side. That window went up and I sped like you wouldn't hear the crap out of it. Don't blame you. Probably, I don't know, maybe half a mile down, I look back and obviously I'm not going to see nothing, right? Yes. But it seemed like if whatever it was came to figure out what's making his vocalization stuck, lowered his head to see inside the car, kind of huffed, growled, and then went back into the woods. But I felt that so inside that, I mean, I jumped and everything flew. Jesus, it was like a kid who just got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. That'd be intense. You know what, man? I just want to say I really appreciate you taking your time out to talk to us, and I'd love to extend this to you. If you ever want to come back on and tell us some more, man, we really appreciate it. Yeah, sure. I have no problem with that. Honestly, everything you've told us, man, I feel like there's a lot to learn. Hopefully this is going to help a lot of people out there who've had similar experiences. And honestly, man, I feel like I've learned a lot. Yeah, like I said, I would like to go on an expedition with you if you're ever in this area, or we can come to you or wherever. That would be nice. I don't care for you. I don't care what I do for work allows me to travel. So most definitely I could probably be in that area sometime. And not to mention I'll be moving into Tennessee, so I'll be even more closer. But yeah, I would not mind coming back. And if any of your listeners are having trouble with a dog, man, and I can send you emails. I can send you PMS of actual people from across the world who have helped. If you want, maybe you could send me your email address or however you want people to contact you. And if anybody reaches out to us, we can connect them to you. You know what I mean? That'd be great. Yeah. We can leave this in the descriptions and stuff so they can just go. I don't want to give everybody your email address, so we'll wait until they'll ask. My bad. We don't want to get you on the same emails that I get about your car's warranty just in case, just create a random Google. But yeah, there's no reason for people to live in fear. Like, I tell people to everybody and I'll say really short, dog man can be dangerous. Keyword can be if you act dumb, they'll act even more dumb. But they're not inherently aggressive. Okay? Okay. They're more of a let live and live on. Yes, they have curiosities that will bring them into your property, but if you behave the proper way, they'll just go right back into the woods and leave you alone. Well, hopefully everybody out there, my experiences and the experience of others, hopefully everybody out there pays attention to that and takes something from it. And we appreciate you, man. We'll keep you all night. If you ever want to come back on and definitely shoot me your email. And if anybody reaches out, we'll put them to you. And, man, just be careful out there. You know what I mean? Take care of yourself. We'll do. All right, you have a good evening. Thanks, guys. Later. Thank you. There you go, guys. That's Ricardo. Really interesting, dude. I didn't realize that. I didn't know, like, when you said that he had an encounter, I thought he was just he has a team and he goes out on expedition. That's awesome. That's what's great about this show, because we're learning new things even when we start the podcast. It is great. But yeah. Some of the stuff that he said I want to toss this out when he had that dread feeling yeah. And he said he saw the white one on his left. Like, he saw half of it, but then he felt the, like, dreadness coming from the right. But he said that there was, like, four or five out there. So when I was, like, thinking, I was like because he said back, a little back, that he started having random things after that night that he first saw his first encounter with that one outside, he started getting random things like rocks thrown at him. And I've never heard that with a dog, man. Never heard that in the dog. So what I kept thinking is that what if there was a Sasquatch trying to warn him about the one that's on his left? What if the big guy was actually out there? I have heard that before, that they don't care for each other much. Yeah, I don't know, but the growing thing, when I heard that, it made my ears perk up a little bit. But I don't know about the dread. I've heard the fear and stuff, but the feelings of dread and stuff, like, from the dog man, like, all the stories. I've never heard that too. But it kind of makes sense. I mean, if it's a large predator I know we're comparing this to something apples, oranges, but does, like, wolves do that? Do we know if they have infrasound. I know lions do, but I don't believe canids do. But we came and pictured this as a canine because this is something totally different. Right. Because there's a lot of behavioral things going on there. The tree climbing head, it was a little odd because most dogs of any sort don't really climb trees. I've seen pupils run up trees, but they don't usually climb. Right? Yeah. The only ones I don't know if I've heard anything about dog man climbing up. I have. Okay. I thought I have, but I've heard it more with sasquatch. Definitely more. I've heard it with sasquatch that they said that those climb well, the big guy's ripped. He can get up, he can climb up, whatever. Those trees have to be fucking stout, too, because he's a heavy boy. You know, he's going to pick a good tree. I mean, the dude eats entire deers, and trees will surprise you. Yeah. The strength of branches can you really shoots. That's what the term shade tree mechanic came from. They pulled motors with trees. Yeah, I've actually seen that done. Yeah, same here. It's interesting, too, because I can't help but think if sasquatch was in the area, then maybe they were weary of it. I don't know. I was just saying it was trying either a was eerie of that and he was trying to freak that other dog man out, or it was actually trying to protect the guy. Like ricardo. Did I say that his name? Yeah, ricardo, like, trying to protect him. Tell him, like, hey, man, get out of there. You know what? I don't know you listeners out there, though. Let us know what you think, because I'm a little mind blown. I think it's because I don't know near half of what I thought I knew about the dog man. This has kind of opened me up a little. I feel like we've put a lot of episodes about the dog man, and that's the reason why we have so many questions is because it's so mudded out there with this. It's hard to find because you don't know what is real and what is fake. I feel like we have a good grasp on the sasquatch. I feel like we have a lot of people out there doing good things. But I feel like the dog man, it's still sitting in that gray zone of fantasy and everybody's making it out, and they're like, oh, I guess I can make dog man, because remember that we were watching the name drop thinker Thunker there was that guy. He had a video. It was a guy he had a video in his house, and he saw something in his window and they freaked out. But if you whine the video back in first, it says no sign that says use if dog man appears and there's a knife, a bloody knife, right. And he sees a dog man, you can clearly see that people are trying to make a joke out of it. So we have on one hand, people that are scared and they don't know what's going on on their property, and then there's these assholes that are going to either, A, make money off of it, or B, just want to make a joke on YouTube. Well, I would say this. You know what I'm going to say. A closing thought for the viewers. How's this? Everything you heard tonight on this one, does that sound like the same narrative that you've heard on the other ones? It didn't to me, the dog man is generally curious. He's not really trying to hurt you unless you do something stupid first. Sounds a little, I don't know, different than what you're used to hearing something to think about. It sounds more represented in nature. Yeah, definitely. That's my thought exactly. A little bit more rooted in something that maybe could be out there. I don't know. More plausible. Yeah, but no, I tell you what, guys. You guys tell us what you think. Blow up the comments like you've been doing, let us know. I want to hear what you have to say. And if you've experienced something similar, let us know. Reach out if we have to. We've got a whole bunch of guys that are interested in dog man, and now we have Ricardo right there, and he is a new asset for you to reach out to also. So let us know, and I guess we'll see you guys in the next one.