S121: UFOs, BigFoot , Seneca Guns - W/ guest Josh Gibbs

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something that would be in the context of the supervisor described as being a great silver looking, upright, bipedal creature dragging a deer out of that face going up the hill road. I got a question for him. He is, do you believe in demons? And it takes one big step and vanishes. I'm like, oh, my God, that was a big step. Look at these pictures of this white creature. Something seven foot, three to eight foot tall, and his bear was standing on his hind legs, and he was running like a man. Now, when it stood up, that's when I knew it was a dog in.

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Okay, guys. Welcome back to the Kentucky X Files. This is going to be episode 21. Yes, 21. Okay. Tonight we actually have a guest, is one of Denny's good friends here. 27 years. 27 years. 27 years. 27 years. Josh Gibbs. Yes. So tonight we're just going to pick his brain. He's got some stuff about the UFO disclosure and maybe pick his brain about some of the other cryptids that he's been digging into. So, Gibbs, what do you want to talk about first? We can go ahead and jump into Top Sale if you want. Absolutely. Because that's probably the only real good story I have first hand experience on. Let's check it out. Yeah. So there is a phenomena that happens on the east coast of the US. It starts in New York and ends in Miami. The Florida Keys area. And it's called the Seneca guns. People have researched it. Nobody can figure out what's causing it. Okay. Its namesake comes from the Seneca guns that used to be at the New York Harbor. It was the cannons, the military cannons. Yeah. But it's a boom that's heard, but it's not like gunfire. I mean, we've all fired guns. A gunshot in a distance has a report. Yep. It's boom crack. The Seneca guns don't have that noise behind it. It's just this it's just a solid thump, boom explosion. Kind of like the mortars they put off a 4 July. That loud, low boom. Okay. Right. But there's no crack that follows. It like most times when the gunfires, you hear the initial blast, and then you hear the echo blast. You don't hear the echo. I got to experience that without knowing what it was. Really? Yeah. Okay, so the area I was in was on an island called Topsoil off the coast of North Carolina. Camp Le. June is not far away from there. Okay. So me and my little lady are sitting out on the dock, just enjoying the vacation. We had a private dock on the Inner Coastal Waterway, sipping a little bit of wine, and then you hear the boom in the distance. Wow. And at first. I grew up in the country. Your shots all the time. Definitely. It's almost like tannerite. Okay. Kind of like if you had about £5 of tannerite going off. Yeah, we hear that here a lot. It's a very low boom. Yeah. But when it went off, at first I thought, well, it's Lajun. But then I got to thinking about it and I was like, It's midnight. It's like 1230. Yeah. On a Wednesday? Why would La? June fire one cannon? You would think they would. Right? Yeah. You know what I mean? Like yeah. So so I heard this three different times while I was there. I didn't realize what I'd heard the first time because I wasn't really paying attention. I was in awe of the area I was in. Yeah. I was just so enthralled with vacation, you know. Beautiful country out there. So I heard it on a Tuesday, a Wednesday and a Thursday, and it was the same thing. One loud boom and nothing else. Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. And you didn't know what you were hearing? Had no idea. Was it around the same time? Well, no. As far as like, if it was evening, yes. All of them were after 1130, before 02:00 a.m. Because that was our wine time on the dock was about eleven. We had our way down there, so we heard the booms. And the second time I heard it, I got to thinking about that. I'm like, why would La. June fire one cannon off at midnight? And the next night it was like closer to one. Maybe even like little after one. So the Saturday after that, a friend of mine who lives down there, he actually rented one of his mom's vacation rentals. He came out and we had dinner that night. Yeah. Fed each other, had a great big feast, you know. Yeah. The whole hoopla. We're sitting around on the back porch talking, and randomly, out of nowhere, it just pops in my head. Well, he's a local. I need to ask him about this because he works at Lajun. Right? Okay. Yeah. His house is close enough to Lajun. That he can see the rivets on the airplanes when they buzz over. Legit. Yeah. He says he can tell you which way the pilot's looking because if it's a clear day, he can see the helmet. It's legit. That close. And he says that La june puts out a manifest every time they're going to do shop practice so the locals know what to expect. Yeah. He said, you only heard one boom? I said yeah. He goes, Normally it's more than one at a time. It's like boom, boom, boom, or it's three guns or four guns. It's never just one. He says, what you heard was what we like to call out here, the Seneca guns. And he proceeded to tell me the story about how well, like I told the beginning from New York to the Keys, it's just a phenomenon that nobody can explain. Wow. Scientists have looked into it. There are news channel videos you can look up where people are trying to figure out the mystery of it. And I haven't been able to find an answer to it other than it's just a strange phenomenon that nobody knows the answer to. That is really cool, though. It was really cool once I realized what I heard. And then he proceeded to tell me the following story about the lights. And I sent you the video of somebody else on that same beach. Yeah. So they were on the beach side of topsoil out in the ocean. Randomly, lights appear just white circled lights. They just hang there. So, like, if it was on a ship, they would sway. If the ocean moves, these sit perfectly still and will fade out. Come back on, fade out. There's no science to it. Like, it doesn't do it exactly the same time every time. Okay? But apparently him and all his friends were at the house on the back porch, and they were all talking. And then suddenly he looks over and he's just, what the heck is this? Because he's a local, he would know what to expect coming across the water. A boat facing Topsoil Beach is not something you're going to see. Like if you were on a pier. Okay, the boat is not coming in. But the lights weren't moving. They sat still. So everybody at the party he was at was just lost in this these lights. And then they went away and everybody just kind of didn't even talk about it, went about their business. So he tells his mom the story and she said, did anybody check their phones when it happened? And he's like, no. And she said, a year ago, me and my friends were on that same porch, saw those same lights, and everybody's phones got the buffering circle. Cameras wouldn't come up, text messages wouldn't work, emails wouldn't work, facebook wouldn't work. There was like four of them, and all their phones just went buffering. Wow. That's crazy. Pretty wild stuff. Yeah. That is neat, right? That is neat. If he hadn't shown me the video, the guy was sitting way back off the beach trying to fish, and you see the lights come on. There's two, and then there's four. And then the bottom two go out, and the top two stay lit. And then the top two go out, and the bottom two come on. I don't know if I would have believed him at first. He's an honest person. He's a good friend of mine. But when somebody tells you something so off the rails, I would expect you guys to question me on that. Even with, like, the Senegal guns thing, in all honesty. Oh, go ahead. No, sorry. I was actually like, the whole Senegal guns thing, I don't know what this one's called, but we actually have something like that in kentucky. Do we really? So I can't remember where it was because it was around the time I was really looking into the UFOs. But we started really hardcore on the bigfoot search, so it kind of got put on the back burner. But they even said that locals, it was on the local news down there and they said that it was a big boom and it actually shook their houses. And they said they got a bunch of reports in the area and I don't think there is a military base around where they said it was. I'll totally make sure that I'll give you all the information. But yeah, that's crazy. They described it exactly the same as you did. It was a boom. But they actually had a shaking of their house like it was a quick shake. And that's what happens out there in certain spots. Because what he told me too, was that it doesn't come from the same direction every time. So like for us, we were sitting on the intercoastal facing mainland and it sounded like it was coming from the intercoastal. He says sometimes it sounds like it's coming from mainland. Sometimes it sounds like it's coming from the ocean. Sometimes it sounds like it's coming from down the intercoastal waters. Wow. The news reports that I watched on it, there was a guy that actually recorded it because it was shaking the windows on his house. Holy shit. It was rattling pictures. Yeah, there was like I guess if you got close enough to the source, which nobody seems to know what it is, there's reports of curtains, like sucking tight to the windows and coming back out because of the blast. Sound waves are powerful. I'm new to this subject, so I'm absorbing this. And listen, I'm sure if we have anybody that might be listening to this, knows anything, please add it to it. Absolutely. Comments and add on because this is incredible and I've only got maybe a few days worth of knowledge on it. Just experiencing it once and hearing that story on a back porch, kind of like this setting, I took in as much as I could. The lights over the ocean, though, that's pretty well, that's another thing, I bet, because I did a little, small, little research here before we came in here because I know we're just starting to get into the UFO topic on this. Some people say that most of these sightings because everybody's been trying to debunk the whole alien thing or whatever it is, but they say a lot of these encounters and stuff, especially what's actually going to be kind of disclosed in these UFO disclosures. They say a lot of Navy people see them, and it's always that because a lot of people are speculating that that's like their base headquarters or base of operations. Because there's not that many people going to be out in the middle of nowhere, like in the middle of the ocean. So they think that there's something out there that they come back to, to whatever they do. And some people who say that these crafts that we might be seeing might not even be man, no man, like, I guess alien operated, if you will. They think it's probably drones. Yeah, we just had one just recently land on mars, and it's rolling around on mars. And it's interesting because I don't think anybody really accounts for that, that these beings, if they're out there, they might not have the same atmosphere as us, and they might not be carbon based like we are. They might be a whole different set of rules. Right. We always say life as we know it. So if I may speculate wildly on that subject well, first, actually, the one thing you said I was going to touch on that subject, too, was the debunking. And I even said it to you today. And before I got here, I got to thinking about that word, and I started getting aggravated because of some of the videos that I watched that were claiming of debunking. Okay. I don't want to name out the YouTuber specifically, but he can be somewhat pompous, and he's really known for his gotcha tactics. Okay, so his title of his video was debunking. The go fast video that was released. Okay. The one that was leaked, I think it was a year ago, that they had navy admitted to it being a real FLIR video off the front of 18, I believe it was. So the fact that he calls it a debunking video really makes me mad, because it was listed as a UAP, unidentified aerial phenomenon, the u. And UAP is unidentified. How can you debunk something when nobody is making a claim of what it is? Absolutely. So if it was a UFO, it would no longer be I mean, I'm sorry, if it was an alien spacecraft, it would no longer be unidentified. We would know what it is. Another interesting thing about that particular video is we did some digging into that one, and turns out the reports that came out of that video at the time have changed wildly. Really? Yeah, because when they first put it out, the navy had apparently reported that the thing was traveling upwards of 13,000 miles an hour. At one point. Was was that the one that the report was? Because there's another one off the nimitz, USS nimitz, where the two fighter pilots were in practice mission, and they were called out for real intercept unarmed, because they were on practice missions. Their guns weren't armed. There are no missiles, no rockets, no ammunition whatsoever. And that was the one where I watched the pilot. There was two pilots, a man and a woman. And I apologize because I can't remember their names. I don't either. I don't remember. But that was the one I watched where he was speaking of the speed in which it accelerated away was in excess of 13,000 miles an hour because it's 60 miles away on radar in an instant. That's what I mean. We dug and we looked up, and I don't know if you were on the same topic as I was, but I looked up and I did a search. I went crazy on this. And I wanted to know what vehicles can do that. Turns out there's only one or two, and they are rockets that take our space shuttles up, right? And the only reason they can do that is something that has to do with the force. They go up and then going into a lighter atmosphere and then leaving the planet, basically. But when you try to do that horizontally, you get what's called what, wind load in excess of wind load. I mean, you think 60 miles an hour wind load on a camper can flip a camper, right? Think 13,000 miles an hour on an airplane. It would be like crumbling up a sandwich wrapper and throwing it. We don't have anything that can withstand it. No. The SR 71 Blackbird was only capable of a top speed of 2100 miles an hour, if I'm remembering that correctly. That's crazy. And that's one of the fastest planes that was ever built. And this thing was playing with them, right? I mean, it was toying with them. It was toying with our best jets. They're capable of, I think, like 1300 miles an hour, 1500. And that's not a fully sustained distance either. That's short burst. That's what makes me want to know. I'm all for skeptic, skepticism and critical thinking. I'm for it. You have to go into these topics with that in mind. But at the same time, I want to ask out there, skeptics and critics, are you telling me some third world country has a vehicle that can do that? Or that even maybe Russia or one of those countries can do that? Because they've never been able to do it before. They're hiding something like that. I feel like we have more worries than what we're talking about here. So we still have to ask those questions. I would like to know if there's actual life out there, but we still have to answer what's in front of us. Plus one thing, too. Not just the speed, but what's in that one. They said it was upwards of 18,000ft or higher than that. They said above sea level. And then they said it dropped down like thousands of feet in a minute and it stopped. Tell me what can do that drops that fast. And they say there's no propulsion system on this. There's no visible yeah, no visible. But how can that do that? Because the only thing that I know of, other than jets or something like that and like propeller style planes, that's the only type of engines we got to do that type of speed. And like, what would you say? Like, the top speed of the SR 71. It was like 2100 miles. Think too is we talk about our own pilots go 708 GS, right. But those G force levels are still present in an unmanned vehicle just like anything else on Earth. I mean, all things we build are subjected to forces in physics. Yeah, exactly. Whether it has a pilot or not. Is it going to function at those crazy amounts of pressure? Not only function, but function well. Yeah, function enough to evade our best jets. Right. With the FA teams and stuff. Those planes are getting over 1000 miles an hour, but they're not sustaining 1000 miles an hour constantly. If fuel problems. Any plane you look up, any spec you look up on any plane, it has a top speed and a cruising speed. The cruising speed is your average speed. It's not what it's capable of, it's what it handles best at. It's most stable. Right? Yeah. Because the faster you go in an airplane, essentially the worse your maneuvering is going to be. Right. You have to deal with wind load and air pressure as you try to bank and maneuver. I've seen the video. This thing literally, it moves around as if it's not going as fast as we are. Right. We are straining to keep up. And this thing is a gazelle just bouncing around like nothing. The other videos that were put out, the go fast, I've seen the science behind the answer to that one and the one YouTuber that I was really upset with him calling it a debunking video. He said it was a duck or some sort of bird. And they did the science because everything on the screen of the fleer gives you every piece of information you need to know as far as the altitude of the plane, the speed the plane is traveling, the degree in which the camera is pointing on your horizon and in your vertical degrees. And you can use trigonometry and figure out whatever you've locked onto versus the ground. Triangulate. Your point? Decide the size and the speed of it. Okay. And there's a trick that if something is going past something and recording something else, the background is going to look a lot faster. Okay? Yeah. So to me in that video I get it. It may not be an alien spacecraft. Okay. I have seen mylar balloons flying around in downtown areas picked up like the wind gusts between buildings, cruise. I mean, Scoot, it's unbelievable how fast one of those balloons ago when they're five, 6810. Twelve stories up. But the thing about the bird I don't agree with is if you're a pilot, don't you think you know what a bird looks like? Yeah. And his exclamation, as soon as he seen it and locked onto it was, what the hell is that? Yeah, that's the other thing too, is when you put the human into the scenario, I mean, often or not, when we react to something we don't understand. Our first reaction is an honest one. What the hell am I looking at? I experienced the same phenomenon almost 20 years ago. What the hell did I just hear? You don't have time to say, oh, that's a duck, right? That was a bobcat. You don't have that kind of time. You have, what the shit? And I listen to that. I pay attention to human behavior more than anything in all of these stories. Exactly. If you got somebody out there who's trying to pull your leg, just pay attention to them, watch them. Well, the human nature is self preservation. So if there's something that startles you, your instant reaction is fight or flight. You're going to decide how to take care of yourself in that situation. You're not concerned with the exact identification of the threat. It's, how do I keep from being a victim of the threat? And you can't help but wonder, too, with those pilots. I mean, you're sitting here watching this thing move. If it can move like this, how soon before I'm running away from it? Right? And then the guy and the woman that were piloting off of the NIMITS during that exercise, they were unarmed. So imagine, if you will, you're in the best airplane the US military has to offer, and then you encounter something that One can outmaneuver you vastly. Two is aware you're there, because he even said when he was circling down to check it out, it started coming back up at him. Right? That's crazy. And four people saw this. You got the two captains, the pilots of the plane, and then you had the two back seaters they were on. I forget what the reason was. I want to think they were their observation of the training exercise four people, four grown adults, professionals. Pilots aren't privates in the army. These are officers. These are college educated. Yeah. These guys have officials through a lot to get to where they're at. And they don't fly once a month. We don't live around a military base, so we don't see it. But out there on the island, la June is right down there every single day, no matter what. Blackhawks are going up and down the beach, ospreys going up and down the intercoastal waterways. We deliver to an area up in Ohio where they do practice runs with the C 130. And seeing that thing maneuver is all inspiring. It's not fast. It's not a fast plane by any means. But the sheer scale of it when you're sitting there watching it, either this massive they name it the Flying Fortress, and you totally get it when you see the thing. This thing is a flying fortress. But honestly, it's gracious. I'm with you, though. You see, these guys are not this isn't your average Joe saying, hey, I saw a light in the sky. I saw UFO. These are trained professionals. No nonsense, no bullshit. Right? And when they say, what the hell is that? I think we all have to worry a little bit. I would like to actually add, like, I would feel like they're almost like, just take this with a grain of salt. I would say borderline genius. Because the things you would have to do in a battle sense in the air, you have to rely on your instincts and your knowledge and stuff. And these pilots have to go through crucial training, and they have to be on top of their game. So I don't think a small thing like Josh was saying, I think he would have recognized it being a duck. I think countless times of going up in the plane over and over, he's probably recognized he probably recognizes more things in the sky than he does on the ground as a duck owner. I want to tell you something else, too, that I want to add to this, is that they are not that fast. The only time they're that fast is when there's food involved. Right. And I'm telling you, I have a really tough time with a duck maneuvering that quickly through the air without imploding, even if it was a seagull or something, catching the air and gliding in. A guy that spends five, six days a week either in a plane, around a plane, thinking about planes, he's going to recognize a bird. Now, like we've talked before, is if the science is there, I'm there. So, okay, that one video, go Fast. Maybe it was a mile or a balloon. Maybe somebody had a happy birthday moment. They released a balloon, it caught the the jet stream over top of the ocean and was just cruising. Yeah, because they will. I mean, I've seen balloons move, and I mean, I hate to speculate, but I'd say at least 50 miles an hour if it's caught the right wind gust. I can't help but wonder about the air pressure. Can a balloon survive it? You know what I mean? It's true. The altitude I didn't think about it. The altitude, the air pressure, the speed. I mean, can a balloon withstand all that? Right? That's how high it has to be up until it pops. Yeah, I remember releasing balloons, and you watch them for a while, and then they pop, they're gone. And sometimes you find one that blows into the yard from miles away, and it happens. Another thing, too, is like, what a bird? You were saying that when he saw the object, he was going down at it, and then the object started coming back at it. Well, and we're talking about two different instances at this point. And I got confused at first, too. So the bird one I'm talking about is the video is called Go Fast. Go Fast. Okay. And it's a Blip, a little small Tic TAC looking thing on the screen, and it's off a flirt, and it is zooming across you can see the waves coming away from it. And that's the one that the guy was saying it was a duck. And then somebody else said, who knows what it is? I can see where it could be a balloon, trash, something like that, that caught the jet stream and was just zooming across the water. But the one with the big tic TAC that was coming up at him, I don't know that there is a video for that one. That was the one off the USS nimitz. Okay. That's the one that's just four eye witness testimonies and the backseaters won't talk in front of camera without being blurred out. Got you. The pilots, even the woman pilot said flat out she never wanted to be on national TV. She never wanted to be on the news, but she felt the need to say, this is real. It's amazing, too, even with the we've been dealing a lot with the sasquatch communities and talking to individuals from there, and it is amazing how many military personnel are starting to come through. Just recently, there was a report that I heard where a group of trainees were literally told straight to their face by their instructor. They were out in the woods, and they were dividing up into a couple of teams, and they were going to run, you know, exercises. One team tries to slip past the other, you know? Right. And he said to them with no smile, no nothing, at no instance will you use a gun if you see a bigfoot unless it attacks you. And then he walks away from them, leaving them standing there like, okay, is he joking? And he never even cracked a smile about it. He said, if you see something like that, call it in, and that's it. You're not authorized to use force against them. Right? You can't help but wonder, okay, really, why would he even make that random joke out of nowhere? Do they do that a lot? Is that just a topic? That's fun? We have a mutual friend who was in the military with no comment about the subject, won't even talk about it, won't talk about any of it. He literally for years, you know what I'm talking about? For years, I've messed with him, and I think you've actually heard me messing with him. I'm like, come on, man, is there aliens? And he's like, I don't want to say nothing, man. I'm sorry. And he literally leaves it at that. He won't budge on it. Yeah, I've never heard him not budge on anything. Right. Except for that you ask him about this sort of thing, and he's like, I can't say, man. Don't know. Won't say nothing. Sorry. This guy will tell you everything, every hour, every juicy detail, except for that. Yeah. He's the captain of too much information sometimes. Yeah. Sometimes you know a little bit more about him than you'd like, yeah. If he's hearing that, he. Knows we're talking about him, right? We love you, man. Don't worry. It's terms of endearment. Exactly. We just don't have permission to use your name. Exactly. But it's wild, all these subjects that come up UFOs, the cryptids, all this stuff. And then you start hearing the military sides, military personnel coming forward. We just recently talked to an ex military sharpshooter sniper, and he had an encounter, and it changed him. It took everything and just I think if you're a couple of episodes behind, then you should be coming up to it. But he literally told us at that point, I was trained to be the baddest guy out there. And at that moment, I realized I was wrong. And you can't help it when you hear him tell it. For me, I don't know about how you felt, Tyler, but for me, I sat there and I kind of inwardly said to myself, like, holy shit, right? Like, I'm hearing this man tell us about the moment when everything he thought he knew was just wrong. There are some really good liars out there. There is. But when somebody is telling you something with absolute sincerity, you almost feel their emotion with them. And that's been a big thing. When we started this show, I went into it, and I know he did too, is I'm going to stay on the fence, must stay in the middle, and I'm going to let people tell me their story. I want to hear your story because I myself had an interesting thing that happened years ago. Pardon my language. It fucked with me for a couple of years. And I started reading, and I started researching, and I never was interested in this stuff. I mean, you know, I was I had other stuff, you know, and I had other other priorities, other interests. And then when I started hearing other people's accounts and then, you know, a guy comes up and talks to us and tells us, you know, like, yeah, man, I saw something happen to me, and it scared me. It changed everything for me. It scared me. And I'm sitting there and I'm like, how do I sit here and call this guy a liar? Because in a way, I am him. I was him. I experienced something that I couldn't explain, and it changed me. And we hear more and more, and then we hear stuff that's so off the wall and out there that when you first start listening, you're like, there's no way. And then evidence starts piling up and more reports start coming. And I don't pay attention to the big details because the big details are almost always the same. Tall door, carry figure, light in the sky, UFO, always the same. But the small details, the small details that might not be maybe they're not that important at the time, but for me, they're hugely important. It's not so much about what he saw or what he heard it's about how he felt afterwards, how he felt when it was happening. Time slows down, the hair on the back of your neck stands up. You feel like you're not even in your body anymore. You feel almost sick, those little details. And when those little details start piling up, then I can't help but pay attention to it. So with the UFO subject, and especially now, we're in the golden age of disclosure, apparently, right? Holy shit. Here we are. There's what is it? Like 2200 documents that have been released. 2200 pages, 700 some odd documents. It's crazy. I've flipped through some of them and a lot of the important stuff is still classified, like names, locations, and any sort of advice given. So, like, for instance, if we seen this, tell us what to proceed with, they don't show it. The advice is always blacked out, it's always redacted. And it's a pain to read any of it too, because I don't know what generation the copiers are of the US government uses, but I'm pretty sure that we still didn't have Seatbelts and cocaine was flowing through Washington when they were made. They're probably 30 years old and cost $500,000 because the government right reading them. And there is a website I found and I sent it to you, I believe, the link to it that has searchable. So you can use keyword searches, but it's still not perfected because of its photocopy stuff. Okay. Yeah. So it's not like it's PDF files. It's legit pictures of it's not read and rewrite. It's a picture. So it's searching words on a picture. Okay. I'm really interested in hearing what people are going to be digging out of that, and I'm very interested to myself go into it and start researching it. Right. The only reason I haven't is because I feel like I've still got a large pile of cryptid stuff to go through. And I am excited, I know we talked about it on the last few episodes. I am excited to start digging into this subject a lot heavier and start really questioning what are the lights? What are these shapes that the pilots are after? What are they made of? Who sent them? I don't believe there's anybody in those crafts. Yeah, because I think about it like, okay, if it's an advanced civilization, their sciences are going to be way better. And if they're way better than more than likely they have some idea of what our atmosphere is like. And if they don't, if our atmosphere is not compatible with them, why would they send themselves? Why not send a remote craft? Well, even on that subject right there, if somebody from another galaxy can get to us, that means they're scientifically advanced enough to have propulsion systems to get them from there to here, which we do not have yet. And we are already using reconnaissance drones. You know what I mean? Right. We might still be in the dark Ages compared to them, and we're using reconnaissance drones. Yeah, that's true, what we were talking about before. And I said I was going to speculate wildly. I kind of put a link together of something you guys have been working on with this whole dufo subject like that. I'm obviously not the go to expert on any of this. I'm just speculating wildly. But what if it's kind of like your Louis situation where it's the water? So we know that there are more galaxies in this universe than there are grains of sands on all the beaches of all the worlds, right? Not every galaxy is filled with water planets, okay? The closest ones we can see, there are a few that are very similar to us in the sweet spot, just close enough to a star, just far enough away, just enough oxygen, just enough water. What if it's a stepping stone? Or to put it in more hibberly terms, what if it's the love's truck stop or the pilot's truck stop for them? Okay, I'm stopping in. It's just a stopping point. Gathering up some resource and then heading out to work. That's actually a good speculation, because if you think about it vance this is another speculation. H 20. If they can split it apart, they got hydrogen, they can use it in their ships, or if that's something that they use as oxygen or something. Or the salt. Or the salt. I mean, the salts, the water. There's a lot there. Yeah, that's true, too. And you think in space, a lot of different things become fuel, not just your basic combustion stuff. I mean, everything from sugar to, like you said, salt. I mean, helium. There's a lot more helium out there in space than there is here. I'm sorry. It's called helium three. I believe it's similar, but I think it's more potent. I'm not sure. I know the Moon has it. The one thing, too, is if that's I might be wrong on that. That's one of them, too. What was the stuff? Because they said that the Moon we can turn the Moon into basically a truck stop. What's on the Moon that they said that we can drill for? That's it. That's helium three. Helium three? I think it's helium three. If it's helium two, somebody will correct me, but I know it has something to do with helium. There's something on the Moon that's abundant, and it could kind of like, why go? There's probably something that they could stop there and then that there's always something that could be on every single planet that they could use. So I don't know, like, we don't know, but like yeah, like the water thing sounds a lot more plausible because most of the sightings, like actual visible crafts, I would say, are over the ocean, over water. And, you know, the water is where a lot of cryptid activity is, period. The alien sightings, UFO sightings, Bigfoot, anything you can think of mothman who's on a bridge. Absolutely. The water is powerful. It does things. I live pretty close to the river and you can watch the storms chase the river. It can affect the weather patterns. You can watch it roll right up and it'll just chase that river all the way out. Right? Yeah. It's wild. Like you said, maybe that's it. Maybe the pattern is water. I know there's theories out there saying that they think the spacecraft or alien craft or whatever you want to call it at this point, a lot of them are coming out of the ocean or whatnot. There was a structure, you remember years ago, there was pictures of a possible structure that they were exploring that was off the coast of Cuba. That looked like runways, too. Yeah, it looked like a runway and it looked like a ship, didn't it? Yeah. But they couldn't get in there because Cuba, you would have to be a local to be able to get there, I believe, is what was the reasoning behind the lack of information on it. There was another thing, too, is that this is the biggest far fetched thing I've ever heard in my life is the Hollow Earth theory. They always said that they see ships coming out of there's a hole, the entrance to the Hollow Earth up in Antarctica, I think it is, or somewhere around there. And they said that they've seen spacecrafts coming out there yeah. Apparently looking for that. There was a man that went missing looking for that. Yeah, because they said that because they were actually going to tell him not to do it because no one would charter flight, wouldn't let him go, or something of that nature. And the day that he said that he was going to go because he said he had a backpack helicopter, that he was going to fly there, like the guy in my ex yeah. He said that he was going to fly it there, get it as close as he could and then track the way. And everybody's like, Dude, you're going to die. And literally, the day that he said he was going to go, he went missing the day before. Yeah. So they don't know. Like, a lot of people that were really behind him say that he made it and he lived his life to the fullest in the Hollow Earth. Some other people think that the government got him. It's a romantic sediment to think that way, but I'm just not so convinced. If either of you guys came out to me and said, dude, I built a helicopter, backpack and I'm flying to Antarctica, I would wholeheartedly be like, you shouldn't do this. Yeah, you keep telling me not to be a bounty hunter. I stand by this. You can't do that in this state anyway. I don't want you to do that. I feel like that leads to one outcome and it's you getting shot, and I don't want you to get shot. I'll be alone on this podcast. I feel like I need to throw some context on there. I do a lot of barrel rolls when I explain this to him, and he's like, you're going to get shot. He literally rolls across the ground and gets behind stuff, and I can still see him. And I'm like, buddy, look, I love you to death, I really do. But I just don't think that bounty hunting is the thing. Maybe there's something else we could look for that maybe he's exciting. I don't know. I focused my energy on this podcast. Just keep him into the podcast and that'll stave off that whole problem. You just need to make sure he's got a microphone in front of him all the time. Just put a mic on and be like, you can't do that right now. We're going to be interviewing somebody. No barrel rolls. What are your speculations on abductions? Do you think that's a thing or you think that if there are these alien drones or actual they're proctologists, they're actually, I guess you would lack of a better term, alien controlled crafts. Are they testing us or experimenting on us? Well, I don't know that we're interesting enough to do that, but in the same phrase or the same sentence, I have to go back to it's. Like when you travel, you look out the window and the rocks are different. It's exciting because they're not the same rocks they're used to. Sure. So maybe we are interesting. Wasn't it Stephen Hawking said in regards to the whole SETI thing, search for extraterrestrial intelligence, whatever, he actually said that he believed we should turn those off because he was afraid that broadcasting our location might not be a brilliant move on behalf of mankind. Right. He's like, okay, this is actually a vein of thought that I myself follow is when a primitive culture meets a more advanced culture, generally doesn't go well for the primitive culture. And then like I've said to Tyler's, like, hey, man, you know what's smarter, the the wolf or the deer? What's got more cunning? What lays in the ambush and then break it down to proteins? Proteins make the brain more powerful and probably had a lot to do with how we evolved. And the shark. The shark and the school of fish what's smarter? Is the school of fish smarter because there's so many of them, or is the shark that hunts them smarter? So, yeah, when I think about it, I'm like, maybe if the smartest man alive and rest in peace, I know he's not alive anymore. But to me, I considered him one of the smartest men alive. And if he tells us, hey, guys, you should probably turn those off just in case. I can't help but thinking he's literally looking at us as like, almost a father figure, best friend, whatever you want to call him. And he's saying, you guys are not bounty hunters. Right. And you need to stop broadcasting that. You know what I mean? I'm upset that you brought that back up. I felt like the context was fitting. Right. Was really fitting. I mean, I could see why they're trying to do it. It's the romance of hoping they send something back. Yeah. But let's face it, if they're on, say, what's the one that we can see? Kepler, for example. If they're on Kepler, even if they have the exact same atmosphere, the same chemical makeups, what are the odds that they speak English? What are the odds that they speak Spanish? What are the odds that we get a message back that says, oh, there you guys are. We'll be right there to kill you. Right. And then what? You're sitting there at the SETI and you receive this message, dear Earthlings, I'm going to kill all of you. Do you just turn it off real quick? Is that like hanging up on the prank caller? You start 69 you, right, exactly. It turns back on and you get another message. I can still see you, assholes. To me, that's like, okay, what do you do? Then? We have all kinds of videos showing that they can outfly us. Right. So that's out. I feel like everybody is, like, hoping for the best, I guess, like how you were saying it's just they're hoping that they can find other life and just know that we're not alone. Right. It's that the romance of, well, there's another life force out there, and maybe they're wondering why we're here too. That would be then we're not alone. I think that would be the best possible outcome. It would be arrogant of us to believe that we're the only possible living, intelligent creatures in the universe. Absolutely. There's far too many galaxies, far too many stars, and far too many blue planets. However, it would be very ignorant to think that whoever we contact would be peaceful. If you even look at us, we're horrible to each other. Think about another planet coming over here, right. We complained about putting up a border to create boundaries and stuff of that nature. And now we're going to like, okay, we're going to have to put up like a border around the whole Earth to make sure that we're okay. Right. I mean, think of it that way. At your house, do you lock your front door? Absolutely. Okay. So do I. So does a lot of people. Right. And I know I made this joke before, but we are in the age of cynicism and distrust and back in the sitcoms, right. You always had your sarcastic guy in the bunch, the sarcastic, sarcastic cynic. And he's kind of that comic relief. He's just Raphael than ninja. Turtle There you go. Yeah. And he you have that. But, you know, coming out of that, we have a generation of of that guy. Now right? Everybody wanted to be that guy. Everybody wanted to be that guy, because he appeared, he had the edge. He was smarter. He was on top of things a little bit more than everybody else. It's so much more interesting to be the guy that's quick witted, that has the quick comebacks yeah. Than it is to be the guy that has all the answers. You know, I'm just as guilty as anybody. You know I am. I'm just as guilty. He's watched me at work. I bait people into messing with me because I've already got stuff that I want to say to them. You plan out the conversation. Yeah, I've already got it planned out. It's going to be funny and it's hilarious, and I generally don't do it to hurt anybody's feelings, but to make them laugh. But we have a whole generation of that, and now we're sitting here with lights in the sky, guns ablaze in and off of the coast that we can't explain, aircraft that can apparently outmaneuver everything. We have eight foot tall, hairy creatures walking around the woods that seemingly can disappear at will. We have six foot tall, hairy homicides that are walking around with the head of a wolf or dog. We have a mothman flying around a river. We have so many things seen by so many people, and we don't want to listen to each other about it. You have hundreds of thousands of people saying, dude, I saw something, and the rest of us go, that guy's full of shit. When did we lose our brotherhood, our camaraderie? When did we have that? Back in old days, if someone came into the village and said, hey, I saw something really messed up, they gathered around and they listened to the man. And whether they believed it or not, they gave him his you know, his time. And then they took it back with them and they weighed it, you know, and they waited out and they and they thought about it, and nine out of ten times back then, a bunch of them would gather up and they'd go out and they'd look, whether it was a waste of time or not. And we've lost that. Well, and we're in the era of everybody wants to be the smartest person in the room. Yes. So everybody is trying to pull the gotcha trick. Everybody's trying to debunk everybody else. Everybody's trying to prove everybody wrong, and everybody's got the science to back them up, and they bend statistics to their will to make themselves look good. Absolutely. And that's part of the problem, is the human interaction isn't what it used to be. No. I mean, even just 15 years ago, walking into a gas station, you could have a conversation with somebody. Yeah. Absolutely. And now nobody wants to speak. That's true. Today we went to pick up some things from the store right down here on 27, and the lady at the counter was telling us. My wife had spoken to this old man that she sees every now and again coming out of the store, and she talks to him, and she listens to his story, and it's a sad story. I don't want to go into too many details, but today when we talk to the lady behind the counter, she's like, yeah, he's really got to stop doing that, because he's just keeping customers just standing there, and it's really sad. He just goes on and on and on, and I literally blurted it out, and I didn't mean to, but I literally said I was like, what the hell happened? Why can't we listen to the man's story? He's heartbroken. He needs your ear. What the hell? Where in the hell did we decide that empathy just didn't matter anymore? It matters. He's got a lifetime of experience. He has an experience that hurt him deeply. He lost his wife, and it destroyed him, right? I think I can spare some time to listen. I think everybody out there should take some time to listen. And you're right. This is the age of the gotcha, isn't it? I don't like it. I really don't. I don't believe in going and jumping in both feet and just believing everything. I really don't. But I'll listen, right? And I'll give you your time. If something happened to you and it changed you and it affected you in whatever way, you can tell me, because I'll listen, and I'm always going to. Doesn't matter what I believe. My personal beliefs don't matter, because it's your time to tell me, and I will listen to you. That's what's important, and I hope we can get back to that. You know, I kept making the joke that we have so many different in the bigfoot thing. We have so many different communities, right? There's the people who believe it's an ape, you know, there's people who believe it's a relic human, and then there's people that believe it's an interdimensional being, the nephilim. And I literally said it the other day. I was like, okay, bring everybody to the table. Bring everybody. Everybody sit here, and everybody tell your side, and let's figure out what matches up. It doesn't matter if I'm wrong or if you're wrong. Hey, I might be. Let's not argue about the differences. Let's talk about the constant. Let's figure out why they're similar and why our beliefs do line up. And I kept making a joke. I said, hey, this whole podcast, we could be Switzerland. You could meet here and discuss your theories. And it's okay. It's recorded. It's archived now. And I'll be 100% honest, when you started it, I was like, all right, okay. It's podcast about cryptids. I watch a lot of videos about cryptids, but anytime there's an assertion of absolute truth and the evidence they present is absolute garbage, I automatically turn it off. I can't stand that. Like I said before, if the science is there. I'm there if you show me a video. And then somebody says, well, this is why that video exists, and this is how they did it, then I go, oh, well, maybe that's not that good. But the eyewitnesses accounts, when do we stop listening? Right? But when I started listening to you guys, that's one of the things I enjoyed the most, is that you rode the fence. You know, you're not preaching absolute truths on either side. No, absolutely not. It's this is a podium. Yeah, this is a podium for people to tell their story. I think that sums it up better than we've ever done. Sure. Yeah, it really does. Yeah. We never try to force our because I feel like we do have our own theories on all the stuff. Absolutely. But I still like to bring somebody in and have them explain what they believe and what it could be or what it goes this direction or that. The whole portal thing, I'm not 100% sure about that. It's like nothing that goes to shows like, man, it's just so crazy. Nothing in this world does that. But I can't tell you that you're wrong, because I physically haven't solved it. I can't tell you, like, what you saw was wrong. You didn't know. The portal thing interesting. And you just reminded me today I made my wife, she's a professional photographer. She literally lives through the camera lens. I gave her Scott Carpenter's video, the portal video that he just put out. And it's funny, too, because his video was actually kind of old, and just reviewing it, he noticed something, so he put it back out, like, hey, check this out what I found in my own video. This is crazy. And I literally asked her, I'm like, okay, I want you to watch this. Listen to what he has to say. But I want you to explain to me how a camera lens can do this. I don't want to know if it's really happening. I don't want to know what you believe it is. I just want to know how a camera can do this. And it stumped her. She sat there and she goes, a camera can't do this. She goes because the thing that appears in his video, it happens behind him, hundreds of feet behind him, down a trail. It's almost as if the trail itself knew the circle was going to happen. And you know as well as I do, being a guy of the woods, perfect circles don't happen in the woods very often. No, it's a rare occurrence. But this perfect circle happens, and it's almost as if the trees around it knew it was going to, so they grew to allow it to happen. I don't know how to better explain that. It's worth looking at, but I had her check it out, and my son is an animator. I had him check it out, too. And they both sit there. And my son goes, you might be able to do this with, you know, with animation. You might be able to. He's like, But God, it's so far away in the video. I mean, it's been zoomed in so far. It would be blatantly obvious if it was added in. The pixels would stand out. Yeah, he would see that difference of pixels. And he said he's like then he went back to the date of when the video was actually recorded, and he said, okay, so here's the animation programs that were available at the time. He's like, you might be able to do this, but it would look very obvious. So I'm sitting there going into this like him. I'm like, the portal thing. I don't know. I'm not even sure. Like, hey, how does that even connect to a bigfoot? That's kind of weird to me. But then I see something like this, and especially with Scott Carpenter, who seems to be he's interested in the subject, but he's not exactly out there trying to change the world with it. It's just kind of an interest. And he goes out and he tries to capture stuff, and sometimes he doesn't. Sometimes he does. Sometimes he just sees something that he finds interesting. But the fact that his video stumped a photographer and an animation expert, I'm sitting there wondering, okay, so I'm not sure it's a portal, but it definitely looks like whatever it is has bent light around itself. And then my wife literally stops and she goes, oh, God, that gave me cold chills. And I was like, what? She goes, the being in the circle moved its head. And I go, what? Really? She goes, oh, God, yeah. I don't know. I'm out. I'm not into this. I'm like, Wait a minute. Tell me. What did you see? And she's like, It literally moves its head. It changes. And then she dropped a bomb on me. She said, whatever's in the video is being affected by the light around it. Because when it comes forward, the light is actually hitting it, and it's matching the light around everything else. She goes, Those dark spots you're seeing, those are the shadows in the forest. Those shadows go away once they come into the light. This thing in the video is reacting to the light around it. And that blew my mind. I don't know if that confirms Scott Carpenter's video or what, but whatever he captured is reacting to light around it. And that, according to my son, is super hard to fake. It can be done, but it takes skill. You have to send me the link to that. I haven't seen that yet. Yeah, it's interesting as hell. It really is. I've been going on about it for a couple of episodes because I keep getting drawn back to it. I keep going back to that video and watching it again. I've slowed it down, right? I've inverted it. So I. Can see it in different light, even the red spectrum and the magic red spectrum that just loves to reveal details. And there you have it. It's still unchanged. And when you invert it, you get to see everything in whites. If it's a physical object, it'll come out white. And there it is, a transparent, almost circle happening and a white figure in the middle, and it's incredible. I can't help but wonder about that, because I don't know if Scott Carpenter is saying it's a bigfoot or not, but if it is, then hell, to me, that means the ball game has changed. That changes a lot of things. It explains a few things. I'm not so sure I'm on the board with the the portal thing. But if a being can somehow manipulate light around it, well, it makes a lot more sense why you don't exactly see them very often. Yeah, they're there. They're just not letting your eye do its job. And that's amazing to me. I don't know. It blew my mind, that's for sure. And that, in an instance, is exactly the definition of camouflage. It's tricking the eye. Yeah. I mean, this is incredible. I feel like we're in the age I feel like we're in the home stretch of things. I really do. I know it feels like we haven't made any progress in the last 50, 60 years on these subjects, but I really think that we're coming into the home stretch, man. We're heading to home base. We're going to get something, right? Something is going to be solidified for us. There's so many people out there that absolutely adamantly deny the existence of bigfoot. Like, how could something that big hide? And I feel like those guys or gals don't travel enough and see enough things to understand the vastness that America still has. If you get out on, say, I 75, take it from Michigan to Florida yeah. You're going to think that the world is subdivisions, factories, malls and highways. Yeah. If you get off the beaten path and get into any area, it's a little harder to traverse, like, say, Blue Ridge Mountains, appalachian foothills, Smoky Mountains. You start to realize that as far as you can see, there's nothing. Yeah. Absolutely nothing. And if I'm not mistaken, wasn't the silverback gorilla discovered in, like, the 60s? Yeah. We didn't even know that existed. Yeah. And there was people who literally didn't believe it. Yeah, people. They said it was a hoax. Yeah. And all of the tribes people talked about the big hairy men in the woods, and the explorers all thought they were just telling wives tales. There's all kinds of wives tales we tell children over the ages that keeps them from going out and doing dumb crap at night. It keeps them indoors. It is amazing, though, the silverback. That's absolutely true. They didn't believe it. Yeah. And that's a well known species in big numbers. Right. They have a kind of a culture of their own. There's a hierarchy. There patriarchy matriarchy. Is that the right word? All this exists family units. And we didn't know this until around the same time we put a man on the moon. We're talking the same decade. It kind of shows you where our focus is, though. Hey out there, guys, if you're listening, I will say this, though, that while you're looking at your phone, you're probably missing bigfoot. He's probably there. Look up every now and again. You might see him. Oh, God. But that's our focus. That is the zombie apocalypse. Our focus is our technology. Yes, it is 100% the zombie apocalypse. Me and Tyler had a conversation where we said, hey, what if what if we evolved with technology? That was our path. And then there was another like us, or similar, but dissimilar, that went a different round in their evolution. They're advanced in other ways. And I thought, hell, it's happened before. I mean, it's several times on this planet. We've had multiple hominids together, so why not? Yeah, there was multiple Homo erectus and then there was like three other species or four other species. Neanderthal. Yeah. And they were in her breeding, and then the weaker died out. But with us, it's like if he's out there, he's avoiding us on purpose. Yeah, that's my thought, too. And I always go to bat for the neanderthal, too. A lot of people don't. They use the word neanderthal as maybe even an insult. Don't be a neanderthal. Hey, look at the history of neanderthals. What we know about them, they were brilliant for the time they were. And we have a little bit of their DNA in us. They were making weapons and tools. Yeah, these are tattoos. They knew to go in a cave. Don't mess with shit that will eat you. They were making clothes and tattoos and all kinds of stuff. That's impressive. I'm saying they were pretty advanced. They didn't even have YouTube. They didn't even have YouTube. No doubt. They had rock tube. How do we get through the day without YouTube? They wrote stuff on a rock and they gathered around rock YouTube. Yeah, they took a little rock and they smacked the thumbs up, painting however many chips it had. That's the big joke in my industry, is if you do something and it comes out really well and people go, hey, man, nice job, and hey, thanks. Just don't check my YouTube history. I'll keep taking credit. We've been in on a lot of YouTube channels and talked to a lot of different people, and there's a lot out there. Today I was checking out one of my favorite channels. Which is the Facts by how to hunt simple channel. It's all about the Sasquatch, but as they call it, they call it the Saba people. That's what they refer to, the Sasquatch. As soon as I was listening to the video and all he does is steve gets on there, and he reads emails of encounters that people send him, and he always says the same thing. Hey, take from this what you will. Maybe this will help you put some pieces to your own puzzle together. And I feel like it's a great way to do it. And he's letting people be heard. And check out Steve if you haven't. But somebody in the comments, I always get on there, and I say good morning to everybody. Good morning from Kentucky. Hope everybody's having a good day. Just to put out some positive. And somebody out of nowhere comments, fake, fake, fake. This guy's a fraud. This guy's, blah, blah, blah. So is Scott Carpenter of fraud and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I literally responded to him. I'm like, do you have proof? I'm interested. And I get nothing, right? And I'm wondering. I'm like, okay. I mean, these guys are presenting you with things that they're being presented with. They're passing it along to you to make your decision. The counterpoint is, this is fake. This is fake. This is fake. And I understand that belief system. I do, being, you know, I'm from that I'm from that town myself, so I get it. But present me with something. Show me why this guy's a fraud. Show me why this is not real. Let me see what you have. Win me over. And sometimes I think it might be the easy route to just blow it off, and I think it might be the safer route to just blow it off, because how much of your day do you want to spend working out these cosmic problems when there's things in front of you that need to be done? Right? I get that. But I really do think there's still some mystery and magic left in the world, and we're on our way, and all these subjects just they interest me, and I can't help it. And my brain just automatically goes through patterning, the patterns of it all and the pattern of human behavior and each story I hear and all this, and finding those similarities, and I'm addicted to it. I can't help it. I've sent you the picture of the back of my work truck. Yeah. There's a two foot tall metal Bigfoot bolted to the back of my work truck. There's also an eight foot tall plywood Bigfoot next to my house. And people ask about it, and they're like, what's the deal with that? You believe I'm like, he's real. Because I want him to be. I want him to be. I can't prove it. Right. And I'll never make the assertion for a fact that Bigfoot is real. Do I want him to be? Yes. How amazing that would be to discover it'd be absolutely amazing. And ape in North America? Yeah. Isn't this, like, besides Antarctica, isn't this the only continent or country it doesn't have an ape other than us? I guess. Like Canada and America. I don't think either one of those have any kind of native ape. I believe there's like monkeys in Mexico and from the south you go and then over in Asia and Europe and the Middle East, and even in the Islands and the Philippines and Japan and all that, there's apes. It's interesting, too, because I'd seen that where someone was showing these were native paintings and all these different things, like bowls and paintings and symbols and masks and stuff. And one of the masks, it was in Canada, and it was from some tribe that I don't know if they're still around, or this was like a relic or whatever, but the mask was an ape. And I was like, Why would it be? These people would have never come in contact with an ape. Exactly. Why would they know what an ape looks like? Why is there bigfoot stories in North America from Native tribes when they've never even seen a gorilla? Then you go through that, the Native Americans, and they literally will sit there and laugh about it. They'll laugh right at your face. What was the one comment that the Native American guy said? He was like, wow, I can't believe you guys are just now coming around to this. And literally, it's no different than talking about a bear or a bird. It's literally, oh, yeah, it's the forest people. You don't mess with them. You let them do their thing. And we being of this world, we're sitting here like, Come again? That's that they're just down there over the hill, and you're good. You're just whatever. We've known about them for centuries. What's the big deal? The dragon stories all over the world, those make sense. Dinosaur fossils may be on the edge of rocks. That's a big pointy tooth monster. And it looks like a serpent. Yeah. Can only imagine finding that. The sea serpent stories. I mean, there's some monster fish in that ocean, and there's fish that actually swim, nose, the tail to break currents so they can save energy. Kind of like geese flying a V. So three or four fish that are 8ft long are going to look enormous when all you're seeing is a portion above the waves. That makes sense. Look at marlins. You ever just looked at, like, an actual marlin? It's insane. That live. That's a living creature in the ocean right now. The barracuda. That's a sea monster if I ever saw one. So, like, just okay, put in perspective if I told you there was a four legged creature that was spotted like a leopard yeah. That was twelve to 15ft tall, that its head was 910ft away from its shoulders. That sounds unbelievable when you say it like that. We have them. It's called a giraffe. Right? So why is a large, upright, hairy ape so unbelievable? Right? And an empathetic one, an apparent ape, or like I said, however you believe an ape, hominid, whatever you want to call it nephilim. How is this creature empathetic? We have so many accounts. We have some accounts of aggression, we have some accounts of kindness, and we have that in primates also. Yeah, the gorillas empathetic intelligence is a big deal to me. Gorillas and chimpanzees will do that. They recognize faces and they can tell when you're mad, when you're sad, when you're happy. They can feed off of that. They read the body language and stuff. I've actually always thought that, too, because I think when we were talking to the research guy from the Kentucky Research Organization bigfoot organization, my bad talk, but yeah, he was saying if you're actively looking, you'll never get any kind of not visual, but some type of sound or a sighting. But he's like, normally the sightings will come into his when he gets them, it's because they're just hanging out. Nonchalant. They're relaxed. When you're tensed up and you're looking for something that's never been seen before, they know. They're like, there's something wrong with that guy. So I really do believe that when they see you in the woods, they know your body language, what you're doing, and what is your demeanor of coming into his woods. Every animal has that ability. Dogs, horses, cats, they can tell. You can yell Good boy. At the top of your lungs to your dog. And he'll put his tail between his legs because he thinks you're mad. He doesn't speak to English. He just thinks your body languages. It's a tell all. Yeah, I saw a video recently that came across my feed where this lady was. She was sitting there holding her brand new baby, just a beautiful little baby. And she's at the zoo and she's against the glass, and she's sitting there with a mother gorilla, and the mother gorilla is sitting there admiring the baby through the glass. And then the mother gorilla brings her baby up, almost as if to say, I understand, I'm a mother, too. Your baby is beautiful. Here's mine. That's cognitive thinking, and that's what I'm saying. There's an old wives tale of the farmer who used to leave the axe. Leaning outside the chicken coop is a warning. The hand that doesn't lay eggs gets some dinner. Chickens don't have cognitive thought. Right. Primates do. Have you ever seen the video of the chimpanzee reacting to the magic trick? Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? That's thinking. That's intelligence. I can do a magic trick in front of my dog. He's not going to care unless it's a treat. Then he wants to know where it went. Entertaining six ducks, you get nowhere. They just don't care. Right. I understand what you're saying. Yeah. When I saw that video, I was thinking about I went night fishing last night with my son for a couple of hours. He actually caught a fish. It was a big blue catfish, right out of agelly. It was awesome. Nice and he actually was sitting there and he was enjoying the night. And he goes, dad, do you believe in Bigfoot? And I said, do you believe in gorillas? And he's like, well, I mean, how do you believe in a gorilla? I'm like, well, how do you believe in a Bigfoot? I'm not talking about a fairy here. I'm talking about something that could be out there. But I couldn't help but thinking about that video of the mother gorilla and how she looked at the baby through the glass, that you could see the feeling coming through her eyes. You know what I mean? I don't know how to better describe it, but you could see a soul. And I thought, you know what? Maybe he is out there. Maybe she was holding it up and saying, why doesn't your baby have hair? Yeah, see, mine has hair. What's wrong with your baby? Your baby doesn't have enough hair. It's going to get cold, ugly. Why is it so pink? This is what a good baby looks like. Check him out. I couldn't help but think that though, when I looked at her, I imagined it. Well, if I was sitting here looking at her, looking into her eyes, and then I thought to myself, maybe he is out there. Maybe he's watching. Maybe he's listening to us right now. Maybe he likes what he hears. I don't know. Maybe we're entertaining to him. If there was any podcast that would entertain a Bigfoot, it would have to be the one where there's three guys sitting around that could look like Bigfoot. Yeah, we definitely could pass off as a relative. I think the three of us have no business walking in the woods alone. Yeah, me and Tyler have made the joke. At some point, we're pretty sure that Bigfoot is going to beat the shit out of us. We don't know how or when it's going to happen, but we feel like we'll be on definitely the brink of being the guys that are candidate for that to happen too. I just feel like it's our luck. At some point, Bigfoot is going to come bursting out of the woods, beat the shit out of us, and go on his merry way. And then that'll be that. Just remember, Tyler, you don't have to be faster than the Bigfoot. Just do a barrel roll. Yeah, let him barrel roll right into him. Let him get Denny and escape. Actually made a joke with Tyler because he never really talks about it, but the dude is ridiculous strong. Like, if you've seen the stuff that he can live. I made this joke that Bigfoot was going to, like, knock him away and then start beating me up. And then you're going to see Tyler come back up like, all right. And you're just going to see Tyler spear the Bigfoot. And I'm going to be sitting there like an announcer, like, here comes Tyler off the top rope. I'm actually going to watch Tyler actually take on a bigfoot and possibly beat him. I mean, of the three of us, tyler is definitely the one that could hold his own. I feel like he's got the best chance. He could probably handle the handle the bigfoot. If you and I are saying somebody's a big fella. Yeah, I think most of the guys out there listen to this, and the gals know that we're large fellas. We are large. We're six foot plus. Big burly men. Yeah, I made the joke about there being over £800 of guy sitting here earlier. Oh, yeah, there definitely is. There definitely is. It's a lot for this podcast to handle at once. We're coming up on almost an hour and a half, guys. I don't know if there's any other points you guys wanted to bring up, but I think we're almost to the limit of what we're allowed to upload at a time. I kind of had some other encounters that I wanted to kind of get at, but I think we can we'll definitely, probably have Gibbs back on here. I was actually planning on ambushing him again and kind of going after the constant listeners out there. Hey, if you really enjoyed this and liked hearing Josh on the show, let us know. Comment, and we'll make him come back. Yeah, and comment. If you guys think that they're messing with me, because I really don't want to go. They're making my head big here, and I think I can take on a sad squad. Just let me know if you think they're messing with me. I would definitely love to come back. Absolutely. Do some more research on some of the Guatemalan cryptids. Yeah, man, definitely bring down. Oh, yeah, I definitely like to hear about that. Now we have to do it. Yeah. See, I put that little peg in there. Yeah, like that. We have to do another one now. I should have another couple of bottles ready by that. Oh, God. For those out there. Listen, Josh makes a wonderful honeymade, and he brought over a sample for us to try, and it's really good. It's just really, really good, guys. I don't know how to describe it to you. It's like drinking beautiful music. I love it. Yeah, I'll take that. I mean, really, tyler, what was your take? I loved it. It was the best thing I've tasted so far. It was really good. Now my head is getting big. Oh, my God. It was really good because I feel like my top bar was right at that. What was that one that you had? It was called Vikings blood. Viking Blood. Yeah. It was really good. I still think they're right. It's been a while since we had the Vikings, but that yours is just really I really feel like Gibbs walked up and put his letterman jacket on us. Yes. And basically we just told Viking Blood that, hey, we're josh's gals. Now I'm, like, at the point where I would work for you if you pay me and then me pay you and me. That sounds great. That sounds expensive. Oh, my God. That sounds like terrible work, though, because I'm going to be drunk the whole time. I think that doing payroll would be so much more enjoyable. Right? I'm brewing payroll right now. Brewing payroll. Hold on. I got to stir it up, boys. It's got to be reracked. All right, guys, we appreciate everybody out there supporting the show and definitely, definitely bug the hell out of us. If you really enjoyed this and you like to have Josh on with us, and we will make him come back. Yeah. Thanks for having me, guys. I really enjoyed this. It's our pleasure, man. Honestly, this was really fun. But we'll see you guys next time. I'm not sure what episode will be on by then. Get too many. We're getting a little ahead of ourselves here. We're several episodes ahead, but we'll talk to you guys soon. Good to each other out there. Take care of each other.

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