S116: Angie and Fish's Encounter | Cave Run Lake

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something that would be in the context of the super. He described as being a great silverlooking, upright, popular creature, dragging a deer out of the taste, going to peelership. Do you believe in demons? And it takes one big step and vanishes. I'm like, oh, my God, that was a big thing. Look at these pictures of this white creature. Something seven foot, three foot tall.

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That's when I knew it was a dollar.

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Okay, welcome back, guys. We are on episode 16. Yes. Okay, well, tonight I was actually not here for this interview, but Denny here, he has a family friend that he was talking to about her encounter with her husband and was her kids, I thought. Yeah, they had their kids with him. Was it Cave Run Lake? Yeah. Cave run. Cave Run, which we were just talking about. Josh. Yeah, I recorded this before that episode and we hadn't gotten around to sitting down and listening to it yet at the time when he was telling us about his Cave Run stuff, I had this in the back of my head. So I'm like, wow, that's a lot of Cave Run activity coming from a couple of different people there. Especially since I believe he told us a second hand account from someone he knows who had experience there, too. So, yeah, I've been really excited for this because he was the one that was telling about he knew somebody that saw them squatting down and eating a fish, right? Yeah, he was eating a fish and it screamed once and one family packed up and left. And then it screamed again and another family packed up and left. That's right. Every time somebody heard that screaming dream, they were like, no, I'm out of here. Yeah, I'm done. I don't blame them. Real quick, I want to interject. It's going to sound a little different on this episode, and the reason is because it's a beautiful day out, we decided we wanted to kind of let you guys hear the valley where my farm is and let you guys hear kind of the background and see if you like it. See if we like it. It's a nice day. We're outside, we're set up. It's not going to be a clean studio environment today, but we're hoping it's going to be pretty cool. You can kind of hear what's going on. Yeah, we got some wind going here. He's got his goats back there. Chickens, I think. I can hear some. Yeah, there's some crows in the background, sounds like. Yeah, I thought it would be pretty cool to just be out here today, so yeah, Steve@howtohunt.com the faxbyhounthunt.com on YouTube, great channel. If everybody out there want to check it out, unless you already have. It's pretty awesome what do you have? I wrote him an email, and the reason for writing him an email was somewhat to tell a little bit of my story, but also to let him know that there's other people out here that have his back and we get what he's doing, respect what he's doing. I just wanted to reach out to him and tell him. But if you want to hear that story in detail, in great detail, I should say there's an episode right here on this podcast. It's episode six entitled Denny Story, and it was released on January 28. So you can check that out if you want to. And we notice a lot of people subscribe to our YouTube after that and really appreciate you guys. It's putting your trust in us. It's really awesome. It's really nice to know I know I say this all the time, but it's nice to know that you're out there, and it makes doing this really worth it. Yeah, I'd like to add to that too, guys. Wow. The last episode, you guys. Wow. You set a record for us. Yeah, it was the most downloads we've had ever in one episode. Thank you. Like, thank you at the bottom of our heart. Very short period of time. Extremely large amount of downloads, and I'm blown away by that. We actually looked at each other and we're like, holy crap, man, we're doing this. This became real. This is real. I'm glad that people are actually enjoying what we're putting out there. We're just two guys just trying to figure out the truth ourselves. Absolutely. So I'm glad that you guys are joining us on this. Well, but yeah, with all that being said, if you have your own encounter, like always, you can send us a message at our email, at encounters@kyxfiles.com, any kind of encounter. It doesn't have to just be sasquatch, but we've just been really heavily on the big guy because there's so many things. It just seems like we're about to come on on something big right around the corner. So that's why we've been kind of sticking with him for a while. But we still would like any type of encounter. Absolutely. The thing too, is I like the subject of sasquatch. I like investigating it. And the reason is because there's so many different angles, there's so many different pieces. And I enjoy puzzles, I enjoy trying to solve things. And it seems like every week a new part of the puzzle just fits when we discuss the infrasound what was another one? We found the private parts of the SA sque. That was an unexpected discovery in just looking at a YouTube video. The Idaho bigfoot footage. You can check that out. The orbs. Yeah. Trying to discover what is it with the orbs? What is going on? And today, for anybody out there listening, the reason I'm so obsessed with these patterns is I've always had kind of a I don't like calling it like a condition, but it's the way my brain works. My eye is automatically drawn to patterns, my brain obsesses over patterns. A crossword puzzle is enough to paralyze me for hours. One of them crossword books, I don't even like looking at them in a store. It's not painful, but if I look at one for a long time, I'll buy it and it's coming home and that's all I'm doing the rest of the night. Yeah, I got an app on the tablet and one night last week I saw it. I didn't know it was on there. It was like part of the apps. They come with the crossbow puzzle app and I'm sitting there like, son of a bitch. I click it and it has like speed runs where you can see how fast you can do them. I think I went to bed. I usually go to bed early because me and Tyler here, we get up ridiculous early to work and I think I went to bed at eleven that night, maybe 1130. It was dumb because I literally had to wait until the tablets batteries started to die so I could be like, turn off and stop. But that's the reason behind it. I enjoy patterns and it satisfies that part of my brain that works a little bit differently. So bigfoot is or sasquatch, however you prefer to call it, but it is a major thing for me because there's a lot of pieces and I get little inklings. You know, today listening to a story I heard about someone had seen what could only be described as a prehistoric bird flying over their vehicle. And I don't know why this is important yet. Honestly, as of right now, recording this, I have no idea why this detail is important, but I feel like it's going to be in the next coming weeks. It'll dawn on me or something's going to click and yeah, so it's pretty cool. But you know what, back to Angie. I'm sorry for that, sorry for derailing there. To bring it back to where we're about to talk, denny here has a family friend, Angie and Fish. Fish or Fishtopher, however you like to say it. Well, it is a family friend. Angie and Fisher Fish Stiffer, they went to Cave Run and we're going to play that audio because this was recorded beforehand because I wasn't at the farm at that time. So he just went ahead because she was around, I had to jump on it. Yeah, my wife was celebrating her birthday and we were kind of just drilling out with a couple of her friends and they brought their husbands along and Angie, she's a fan of the show and she listens to the episodes with Fish and they're great people. Angie actually married us. She was our officiat, so super cool person. And if she tells me she's seen something, I believe her. I'm not going to doubt it. For a second. It goes for fish, too. If he looks me in the eye and tells me like, hey, I saw something that's it, that's in stone, I'm not going to ever question it. But I had to jump on it because she was there. She had a story. She's like, I don't know if it's bigfoot or not as you'll hear it in the I feel like you would say the same to me if I had a story on hand that I could get right then and there. So whenever a story comes, we want to jump on it as quickly as possible. But I agree with that. I don't know those two that well, but I've met them countless times, trustworthy people. So I get that. Even when you guys hear this audio of her story, she even says that she doesn't know what they were seeing because it was too dark. But it's still an interesting story, and I want you to guys just kind of take the time, listen to it, and I guess let's hear the audio. Yeah, let's play it. Police came because we weren't supposed to be camping there. And I feel like that might be they keep people away from there at night. And I'm not saying they know why. I'm just saying that that might be why they hang out in that area, if that's what it was.

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There was nobody around. Right. You're isolated. This boat comes out all the way out just to you guys. Yes. And we were in a cove. We weren't in the main lake area. It was a cove. The lake. If you look at a picture of Cave Run, like, there's lots of little outlets, cove, and we were in one of those, and it was so beautiful. I mean, it's surreal. You guys need to go. It's worth going because it's gorgeous. But yeah, it's just interesting to me that the guy came all the way out just to you guys to say that you can't camp here. That's interesting. Why single you out? Well, we were the only ones out there. Were they following you? No. Were they going by fire light? It was a boat. Probably closed at a certain time. Like there were signs that said, boat dock closes at 10:00 p.m.. Or whatever. We parked away from the boat dock, and then we may even have been in the camping area where we parked. Yeah, because there was a camping area before you got to the boat dock. Yes, in the boat dock. All it was was a place where you put your boat in, park your car, and they closed it like ten. So we drug our raft down there, blew it up through all of our ship and raft and drug it way up the lake. Because me and her went there once before. Just me and her didn't have any problems. We floated out on the lake on our raft. We probably floated like 5 miles away just looking at the stars. That's beautiful. Yeah. And then the second time when we came back to that spot with kids, when this cop pulled up. Yeah. Just kind of out of nowhere. It's weird. It's not the first time I've heard it. That's what I find funny about it. It's not the first time I've heard somebody singled out for being in a certain spot. Well, I don't think they allow backwards camping there. I think that because they have specified campgrounds and it's not like Red River Gorge area where you can just put a tent anywhere long so many feet away from the water or whatever. Or trailhead. Or trail at all. But we did it anyway. Okay. So should I start? However you want. I mean, we've already started, I guess. Okay, so as he was saying, we parked, we walked, we had the kids. I feel like we were missing one of the kids, weren't we? Did we have them all? Okay, like you said, we put all of our stuff in the raft and we toted it down. I can't even it was a pretty far walk.

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It was a far walk with the kids. I think it seemed harder just because we had all the kids. They were younger fighting days. Kids fighting. But then we got to where we knew we've been there before, like you said and we put up the tent and everything and everything was fine. And then that night the kids went to bed, we got them to sleep. We pulled all the little tiny itty bitty ticks off. Tell me about that. And we got him to sleep and then him and I were just enjoying the peace and quiet and it was so peaceful. And we had actually that chair that he's sitting in right now and it's huge. So I was sitting on his lap and we were just sitting enjoying quiet. And we had discussed that we were going to wait until the fire went out, until it went down to just embers to go to bed. And it got to that point but it was so peaceful and quiet and beautiful. You could see just through the little because we were in a holler and the holler was shaped like a long V so there was hills on both in every direction. But it went back flat in a V shape until it was another small mountain basically. So we were in this little valley and we were back further from the water. We were back in the middle of the beach basically. We were sitting, fire went out, the embers were burning and we were just enjoying it quietly. We didn't say a word to each other. And then to my left, our left, it was from the left we heard the tree crack break loud. Everything happened so fast, but we heard the tree break and then something ran, just charged fast and so fast it sounded like it came from the top of the mountain to our left, ran down straight at us, loud. It just crashed, crash, crash. And you know, if you're ever around that area daniel Boone the ground almost sounds kind of like has like a hollowish sound to it when you step on it. And so to me, I thought it was a bear or something. At first you can tell the difference between like a small hooved or spindley legged creature and something with a larger foot. And it was big. Whatever it was, ran straight down at us and it just stopped. And it was pitch black. We couldn't see anything. We could barely see our hands in front of our faces, but it had to be between ten and 20ft away from us. It was very close. And then when it stopped, we could hear it breathing, I feel like. And then it grunt. I don't even know how to describe the sound that we heard. It was like a grunt or a I want to make the sound, but I feel stupid making it. That's fine. It was just like that, like it was frustration and pissed and then it walked away. And that's what stuck out in my mind. That's what made me think that it was something else. And again, we didn't see it. I can't tell you what we saw. I can't for sure confirm that it was a bear or anything else, but it walked away. And for me, 2ft, that's what I heard. Like a boom, boom, boom, boom. And the direction that it walked was towards the point of the V. It walked away from us in the hauler. So it came running down on our left and then grunted at us or whatever it did and then walked away. Then. This is the part that he doesn't remember because he falls asleep so easily. I mean, as soon as his head hits the pillow, he's out like a light. No fear, no nothing. So I'm just laying there. I struggle with sleeping anyway, but I was extra nervous that night and this was probably a couple hours later. I was probably I couldn't ever sleep solid. I'd never do when I'm camping. But I was kind of in and out. But I heard, and I would say it was probably three, four in the morning this Saturday. If you could give me that last little bit again a little bit later. You heard something? Yeah, in the middle of the night. I heard what sounded like a large rock, either breaking and landing on other rocks or to me, I thought, my immediate thought that night was a rock shelter just broke off from somewhere and landed. That's how loud and obnoxious it was. It was just a huge rock on rock sound, but it was big. No kidding. Yeah, that's what I thought. It sounded like that's in my mind. What happened? It's crazy too. Like I said earlier, I've heard other stories from that area and I've read a bunch of them, the BFRO or whatever, they got them listed and you just see them one after another. What I noticed too was it was about every year. It's usually about 20 miles away from the last one. And the reason I'm so interested is because the one I nicknamed Louie, that's his area, really. And Louie likes to hang out in an area for about a year and then move about 20 miles away. And he seems to always head following rivers and such. He likes to hang out next to rivers or lakes or whatever. And he hangs there for a year and then he moves on. I do agree with the migration thing. I feel like they definitely migrate. That's interesting. Yeah. And then after that, I mean, when we came home from our camping trip, it was just a couple of weeks later, a week or two later that I saw on TV. And I can't remember if it was like a news report or it's one of those shows, but there had been recent sightings of Bigfoot near and around Cave Run Lake. And that is crazy. Really got me. I grabbed my husband and I was like, oh my God. Because it really hadn't crossed my mind when that happened, when everything happened that night, I didn't think Bigfoot. But that experience is what has made me start thinking Bigfoot. Because I couldn't wrap my mind around like I thought, because there were these crazy guys at the gas station and we had asked them where it was a good place to camp. And he didn't tell us that spot, but he told us the campground that was up from there that we walked away from. And I don't know. So I just thought maybe it was some crazy person or I was just trying to make sense of the whole thing and it walking away. Yeah, there's no way I mean so and I knew that too. So all the obvious realistic things were going through my head, but it just didn't make sense. Nothing made sense. Especially what sticks out in my mind more than anything was how it stopped right by us. And we were frozen. I mean, absolutely frozen. We were holding each other's hands and I just started squeezing his hand. Like neither of us said a word. We just didn't want to move, say anything. We just sat completely still and quiet and it grunted at us or whatever that was. I know it's kind of shitty to try to recall it or whatever, but do you remember anything about the sound of the forest around you during it? Really don't. It happened so fast. Yeah, because it makes sense. I remember it was so peaceful. Everything was so peaceful. And I feel like it was around June. It was in June sometime when this happened. Do you remember the year? It was probably twelve years ago now. I think we were probably together about a year at that point. Okay. Don't you think? Or maybe I don't know. Yeah, maybe it had to be eleven or twelve years ago. That could give us kind of a little bit of a timeline where I can add it to the map, you know what I mean? That'll give me an idea if it is my guy or not. I don't know if you do you remember? I feel like we looked. I know. I feel like it was near. I don't know if I should I don't want to say the location exactly because there are a lot of mean people that want to kill it. It doesn't matter exactly, but I feel like and I could be wrong, I just don't remember clearly. But I feel like we looked for footprints the other day for bare prints or something. The next day? Yeah, the next day. Did I say the other day? You didn't find anything? No. I could be wrong. I'm sure we did, because it was terrifying. I feel like we looked, but it was like so much greenery that there was nothing. It was like looking in a lush graph area. Me and her were camping one night in a tent, and I'm pretty sure it was a buck, came up and did a right at the tent. And we both heard it right. Remember? That wasn't it. Was it ajali or was it concede? I heard it. I can't remember. You were at the tent with the kids, and I was walking back in the dark and I heard what was like heavy breathing in my ear and I just ignored it. Oh, I don't remember that one. It might have been him.

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This area hasn't had a sighting for about five years, maybe four. Last one, which was kind of creepy because I actually have a corroborating part of this that I don't know if it's a coincidence or what, but where the old house was, I won't say the location for the sake of whatever, but where the old house was about 1 mile down the road towards the highway. That's where the siding was. And around that time of the sighting, I had my big the other place, I had a big dog who was pretty fearless. And one night he was out there and he was huffing and sneezing and had his tail tucked between his legs. And I never seen him want in the house so bad my life. And I opened the door to see what was wrong with him and he was growling at the darkness and hopping at it. And I'll be honest, that was my big guy. And I thought, okay, if he's worried, I'm worried. And he came in past me, like he came all the way in and put himself in his bed and that was unheard of. So it's weird because there's always these little details you don't remember or don't think of until way later. And you go, man, what if have you heard? Because you said you were on the BFRO. This was actually a YouTube recording that I heard because I listened to stories too. I was telling you about that earlier, but there was a sighting in California, kentucky, have you read about that one? So that was interesting to me. And then there was another nothing happened, but you know how we've discussed that? I get feelings. We were in eastern Kentucky, new Year paintsville, and we were hiking he was raised in a holler, and we were hiking the hills of that holler Indian graveyard.

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And this was after our experience at Cave Run. And so I was already kind of but all I know, we were hiking these are hills that aren't there's no parks nearby, there's no trails. There are just never people in these hills. So we were just hiking to see what was find cool rocks, like rock formations and stuff. And there is, what would you call it, like a rivet where the water runs down the side of a mountain ravine. Ravine. And we were kind of following it, because sometimes it's easier to follow those. But we got to a point where it looked intentional to me. But before we even got to that point, I started feeling having this ominous getaway, you're not welcome here, and feeling that's how I felt. And then in the ravine, to me, it was just and it could have been it could have been something naturally that happened. But there were logs, like limbs and logs laying exactly back to back to back. Not like they had fallen there unless they fell, enrolled, and they all rolled without getting caught on anything. But it was almost like someone trying to stop. That's how I felt, like they were placed in a way to stop somebody from going up that way, because it was the easy way to go. All the other ways were difficult. Difficult hiking. It was weird. It was weird. And the farther we went, everything in my being was telling me, turn away, you're not welcome here. And did you have that feeling too? No. But I feel like some people connect with energy, and some people don't connect with energy.

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I don't do that very often.

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There's a science, a study behind the fight or flight. And a lot of people, especially recently, I watched a thing of this guy I like to watch a lot. He actually went to a remote location. I was telling you about him early. He goes up and he films and he reads people's stories. He sat down and he starts reading this lady's story. And out of nowhere, he just turns around and he looks at the woods and he's like, man, every hair just turned the wire. He's like, no, I'm not into it. He gets up, packs the shit up and leaves. And he literally went on to say. He's like, hey, you get the feeling, stop what you're doing. Go back the way you came. Because we have millions of years of evolution behind us that taught us that trick. You know what I mean? There's a sense we have of I'm being watched. There's something out here. There's something there. I got to get out of here. And there's different feelings with those senses. I mean, there's been times that remember where we were walking, where he bore my horse, and I told you about the story of the little guy coming flying back from a trail on his horse, saying he just saw a little girl in the woods at night in a blue dress. And that he turned around and he looked at her, she was crying. And he said, what's are you, lost? This is the middle of the woods. And he said he turned around to look for an adult, and when he turned back, she was gone, and he was terrified. Well, we went to that area intentionally because back in the day, I was really into that kind of stuff. And we would walk, and it was like I knew where to stop, where I felt something. And we would start doing an audio recording. Remember? It was weird what we caught. It was a weird thing on audio recording, but so I've had feelings before, but that one wasn't turned back. This was a different I can't say I ever felt like that in the woods before. I mean, it was just everything. And the further we went and I don't even know if I said anything right away, but the further we went, the stronger it was. It was almost like a thickness also in the air. It was like we were trying to push through, I don't know, a fog, until it just completely stopped me. And I said, we got to go back. There's something wrong. I was scared at that point. Like, if we go any further, something bad is going to happen. And this is broad daylight. It's not like the eerie sounds at the dark in the woods that was scaring me. I wasn't scared of that at all. It was just weird something. It's like a weight on the area, and you don't even realize that they start to tax you. It starts taxing you a little by little until it draws that negativity out and draws it because the graveyard didn't have names and stuff. It has, like, headstones with handprints. That's interesting. That'd be something to actually go and see. I would like to see that myself first. It's very cool. I'm really glad you told me your story. I was really excited to get it. It's really neat, like I said. I know you said before you're like, we didn't see nothing, but we heard this. The more of these we collect, though, it was scary. We keep collecting these stories. We keep archiving them. Eventually, a pattern. Starts showing itself and when the pattern is there, that's where we nail it. So I've heard a series of like there's this one guy who claims he talks to a bigfoot and I've heard the audio clips and it's really interesting. You may have too. I don't know if you listen to this. Sounds like a samurai talking. Well, I've heard that one too.

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The guy's name is Mike and he's on the internet. I think it's called Ontario Sasquatch or something like that. But he communicates supposedly and the audio records this communication, but he swears by them being able to disappear and reappear and things like that. But I have a theory and as you know, I am Christian and there are two different things biblically that could touch on this. Okay? The Nephilim. The nephilim is the one. Okay? But the other one, I don't know if you know the story of Isaac's son, the Harry son, Jacob and Esau, but Esau that story really if you listen to it, it sounds like a Sasquatch. Yeah. The day he was born. When he comes out, the first thing, the Bible describes him as covered in hair and hair in a reddish brown hair.

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That's true. But the thing about the ESA story, that is all and Jacob with Esau was they describe him, I mean, every time they describe him in the Bible, he's an outdoorsman. He loves the outdoors, he loves hunting, he loves all of that stuff. He's in the woods all the time. And that's what Isaac loved about him and his twin brother Jacob. But I just think that that's an interesting thing because if the Bible is true and I do think they've found so many things in the world that is definitely history there, regardless of a theological belief, they wrote with the language they had at the time. So no matter what, you have a historical story there that was told the best they could do. It imagine for a second that God was speaking to you. How are we advanced enough to even fully comprehend what he's trying to say? I think they did the best they could and tried and I think that's probably all God wanted of them. Right. I don't disagree with it anymore. I used to. Right now I'm kind of like maybe there's truth in everything and we just don't know. We have a long time before we place all the puzzle pieces together. I'm not necessarily saying Christianity is wrong anymore or Buddhism or Judaism. I think that all of them are missing parts from each other to complete the bigger picture. I respect. And the nephilim thing. The nephilim thing. And if you get into like the books of the laws, that's interesting because like the book of Enoch talks more in detail about the Nephilim and what they did, they didn't only when they fell, they didn't only choose to mate with the women. Also there's indications through those books that speak of them mating with other creatures, which also could give a whole new meaning to mythical stuff like, what do you call the half centaurs and minotaurs? I mean, if you think of our Egyptian ancient Egyptian sculpture things, we have the lion lady. What is that? The Spanks? Yeah, the Spanish. So there you have it. That's it. That's all I got. Unfortunately, because of where we were sitting, we were sitting over there. You guys at home can't see this, but about 150ft away, where there's no I have no power to plug in the recorder and all that, so I was relying off batteries, and the batteries went dead. So there's a little bit of stuff that got left out. If everybody's interested, if you're interested, shoot us a message, let us know you are. Maybe I'll talk to Angie about getting her on the phone, and we can go into more detail and maybe hear some of her other stuff. She's had some other interesting stories that have happened to her, which I don't know if I have permission to tell those, so I don't want to go into them, but maybe she'll want to. I don't know. But Cave Run Lake. Yeah, that's a hot spot. It's a huge hot spot. So this thing comes running out of the woods in the middle of the night, but basically what I'm hearing is a bluff charge. Yeah, it makes the sound at them. And some of the stuff that's not in the audio that you didn't get to hear was I asked some questions. I asked things like, hey, you couldn't tell. You know what I mean? Angie basically said that she believes it was walking on 2ft when Fish went to answer the same question, which this shocked me a little bit, was his answer. He's like, Dude, I don't know. I was scared shitless. And I'm like, A lot of you guys, you don't know Fish yet, but I want to do a recording of the story of this guy's life. Like, Fish has done a lot of shit. He's lived, you know, in a short amount of time. He's lived more than most people do their whole life. The adventures he's been on. For him to literally say it scared the shit out of me. It caught me off guard. It really did. And we went into some details, talking about the nephilim and all that, and I know we fleshed that one out before, too. It's on one of the episodes. I can't remember offhand which episode it was, but it was really interesting to hear that. The one thing that got me was the boat. Did you notice that? You're talking about where no one else on the no one out there. The COVID Out of nowhere, this boat comes straight back there to this basically a cove. They're hidden, you know, they're hidden away. And this boat comes out of nowhere, comes all the way straight to them. And just instantly starts going to town on them. Just, what the hell are you doing back here? You've been arrested before. And all that just attitude, right? And eventually they back off and they tell them, like, hey, go ahead and stay here tonight, but get your asses out of here. Why the urgency? You know what I mean? Yeah, I'd like to know that because I don't know what their take on it. If you guys are a wildlife official and you deal with this type of stuff, I would love to hear from you. Yeah, I would love to hear why was this guy just seemed a little bit more aggressive than usual? Was it the spot or is it a recurring problem with campers? What is it? We'd like to know. I just like to know is how did they know they were there? They did say they had a fire going. Oh, that is true. Yeah. Maybe they spotted it. I'm just interested in that. I've never heard of an official coming by boat and singlein someone out. Maybe someone else has out there, I don't know. But that's interesting. All I would say is, like, be perfectly honest. If I was in that guy's position

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all I'm saying is if I was in that position, I would probably would have approached him, notice, like, yeah, this is kind of stereotyping, because if I saw that it was a couple with children, I would have probably would probably shouldn't you're not allowed to camp here. At least have a little bit of decent food. Aggressive. If it was teenagers and I saw that there was beer, there's stuff all over the place, that's probably when I would have gotten aggressive, because they're there to tear up the place. And that's not what that's what you're there to protect. I mean, they were there to relax with their kids and just enjoy a beautiful, clear night down at Cave Run. It's not like they were out there raising hell. They were just enjoying themselves. I'm just curious. I'll tell you where my mind is going. Other things have happened, and they're trying to keep people out of this area, and that's where my mind is going, and I can't help it. We've heard countless stories, countless tales. We've talked to people. So it makes me wonder if maybe they don't know exactly what's going on down there. Maybe they're I don't know, maybe they're just trying to contain something or at least minimize contact. That would be my first big guess if it was on the side of that. But it's really interesting. Yeah, it's a coin toss of like, was this guy just having a bad night or did he have an agenda? Right, yeah. That he was trying to make sure that they didn't have another type of accident, missing person, something of that nature. That'd be something in the yeah, but the crazy thing about that, though, is what happened after that. The whole thing that happened after yeah, it happened that night, too. It could have been a coincidence. And we don't even know if it was, per se sasquatch bigfoot yeah, we don't know because they straight up said that they couldn't see their hand in front of their face. It was like the fire was already out. Yeah, they were I thought didn't you say that they were in the tent? Right, yeah. Okay, so they couldn't see anything.

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But it's kind of odd that he was very adamant of them to leave beforehand. But I guess the reason why he didn't just immediately get them out of there is because to move them would have probably taken more trips. And if he would have told them to move during nighttime, which probably would have been worse than just trying to walk out of there in the total dark, just like the hazards in itself, walking in the dark. But if it was him trying to basically protect and keep that under wraps, the whole what's out there, that's kind of where I was leaning to. My thought was like, okay, something weird is happening. Minimize contact. Try to minimize our campers from getting to this spot, and try to keep them out of there until we figure it out. Or maybe they have figured it out, and they're just trying to figure out what to do with it. We've heard the stories, and guns don't seem to work. The things melt into the darkness. They're there, they're gone. The thing can pull a tree out of the ground. I mean, come on. Even if a law enforcement and I've heard a lot of people say that they've spoken with law enforcement, wildlife and park rangers. What is it? Sorry, I have to start this one over. Fishing game. Sorry. Okay. I've heard a lot of people even say that they've spoken with Fish and Game park rangers, things like that, and literally ask them straight up, like, hey, are some things really out there? And they'll literally say, like, yeah, but we're not allowed to say it. And it's the same policy with the mountain Lines cougars. I read into that. I researched that. Yeah. It turns out that a lot of them are told not to say anything about the cougars or to just say, like, I don't know, I haven't seen one. And the reason is because if people know that there are mountain lions in the state parks, they're not going to go spend their money there. They're going to stay the hell out of those woods. And nobody wants to get eaten by a big ass cat. I don't want to get eaten by a cat. I saw a video recently where this guy was he was jogging or hiking. A big mountain came out, and it followed him. It kept swiping at him. He ended up throwing a rock at it to get it to piss off, basically. But you know what? For the longest time in this video, it wasn't giving up. It stayed with him for long enough that, you know, this thing had intent. You know, it had the idea that if I can get you down, you're mine, buddy. And you got all the missing children and things like that. What is it missing? Four? One. One. Those stories, the missing people all over the state parks, cougar attacks. How many kids have been taken by a cougar that we just don't know about because the cougar grabs them and runs off. You're going to chase after it. You're going to be able to keep up. More than likely, it's a stealth predator. You're never even going to know it was there. It's going to be there and gone before you ever have a chance to do anything. Now imagine a nocturnal creature that's able to pick you up with one hand and carry you off into the middle of the night. Becomes bluff charging because he don't want you in his area. It's going to leave a lasting impression on you. I'd say. I mean, I'm just hazarding my own experience was one crazy ass, what I described as the hell scream 20 years ago, and that was enough for me to be affected by it. I'm definitely affected by it. And there's a lot of people that are like, something happened to them. They want to tell their story and be heard. They want to get it out and over with. I spent a couple of years after that terrified to go out at night. Just walking to take a garbage can to the end of the driveway was terrifying. The prospect was terrifying. All the flashlights in the world wouldn't do it. How I ended up doing it was I put all the garbage cans in my truck and I backed the truck down. And then I had a camper and I had lights wired in the camper. I turn all those on and just light up everything I can and then I unload as quickly as possible and then haulance back up the hill. It affected a lot. Yeah, it took me a couple of years. And even being out here now, we don't have any outside lights going on. We haven't installed any yet. We got the camper. It has some lights. But if I'm being honest, there's a couple of nights where I come out here where I remember all that. I remember the feeling of it's almost like it's just crazy hell scream. But what it's saying to you is you don't know shit and you aren't anything compared to me, and you don't have any idea what I'm capable of. And that is that bad feeling that happens. I guess it does traumatize you a bit because it affects you. But instead of going inward, my idea was, you know what, I want to know the son of a bitch that screamed at us. I want to know about it. If it was able to be that close and we didn't know it. And then it came out with that god awful sound. I want to know. I want to know what it is and what you need to do if you get in that situation. We hold ass. We went in the house. We're like, not happening. Not into it. I'm out of here. But someone might not have a house close enough to get in and get out. So what about those folks? This information is for education for everybody. You sit there and say what you want. Say, well, it's probably a mountain lion. Hey, that's not any better. That didn't improve the scenario. I've heard that before. I've heard people say that that was probably a mountain lion. Oh, great. It's a mountain. That doesn't fix it. Yeah, I get that. But from what you've described, this screen, this hell screen that you have yeah. That's no mountain line. No, if that's a mountain, then it's a mountain line from hell. Yeah. I'm just saying that I've searched literally, probably thousands of sounds of north American wildlife trying to find that scream, and I never heard it again until I got on thinker Thunker on YouTube, and I heard the scream again, and I told him about it. Did I tell you about this? Yeah, I remember you saying I actually talked to him about it and told him that I heard that scream 20 years ago, and I never heard it again until I got on your YouTube. And his reply was pretty simple. He goes, yeah, that'll change a lot of things for you. When you hear that, he's like, especially when you hear it again. And it's confirmed he was right. But I got a strange piece from it also. Yeah, because it's like, okay, other people have heard this. This sound is associated with dog man sasquatch, both of those two cryptids. That narrows things down quite a bit. That means that, okay, now we have something we can aim at. Just saying it's a far cry from a cougar. It's a far cry from a mountain lion. Cougar, mountain land, cougar, mountain. I'm just saying, like, none of them are great. They have around I don't even like the idea of a bobcat running around back there in the woods. Have you ever heard of bobcat? That's terrible for anybody out there who hasn't heard one, I'll play a sound bite here in a second, or I'll play a sound. If you ever heard of a bobcat sound out there listening, then I'll play it right now. So that's a bobcat. That's not what the sound was. I've heard that sound before, also, and I heard that sound same place, actually, but it was years and years and years prior, and we only heard it one time, I think way in the back part of the pasture, and we never heard it again. So I always assumed that that thing just passed through but it was enough that nobody wanted to go find it. We knew what it was and we were like, no, I'm not going to go mess with him. They're little, but they're mean. They're like little pissed off kitty cats. And they look mad. Don't they have like tip the ears? They walk around looking mad. They kind of look like I don't know, they look like a Bond villain. You know what? Now that I mentioned that, San Squash walks around looking mad. Think about that. Look at the posture. That big bulky posture. That kind of like well, I think that's just like the way that he's built. Well, I'm saying he looks swollen. Yeah, he definitely looks swelled up. But he doesn't skip chest day. Definitely doesn't skip chest day. He don't skip any day. The dude walks across America. I just want to be on his shoulders while he's walking through America. No shit. But yeah, I don't know, man. It's more pieces of the puzzles. Well, let's go back to her Angie story again. Okay. We were discussing about she heard the noise from like the left side of the campsite. It rushed down the typical, like, thing. I can't see typical bluff charge, as they would say. And it did like she said it made this noise. Yeah, that sounds like she said it might have been a bear, too. But she said that she heard it on 2ft. I can understand that because when you hear something running, it makes a certain kind of a sound. When it's four legs hitting the ground than just four legged animals have a gallop. Yeah, they'll have that little gallop to their stride. So, yeah, I feel like, yeah, you can tell that difference. So I get where she's coming from on that. But the noise, I don't know. I guess I haven't heard too many of that. I know a bear. I've heard bear sounds like that. Like they do that kind of low sort of thing. But I feel like it's kind of a typical kind of grunt. So you can't just paste it with just a bear doing it. I tell you what, you know what I'll do, for the sake of our podcast and our listeners and our archive here that we're putting together, I'm going to research black bears because it says that black bears are around that area, and I'm going to find some sound files of them making those sounds. And maybe if I can get lucky, I can find one that sounds like that. And I'll put it into the podcast right here.

Participant #1:
Oh,

Participant #1:
yeah. So hopefully that'll help. And maybe if Angie hears it, she can let us know if any of those sound familiar. I don't want to go off of just the sound. No. But what I wanted to get at is that I've heard, like, in documentaries, movies, TV shows, a bear can make that sound. It sounds similar to what she was describing. My thought was to just eliminate it. Yeah, but what I was going to ask is like what would a bear do? The bluff charge? I think so, but I don't know for sure. I'll research that as well. Maybe I've heard of female bears with cubs. I've heard of them charging and literally straight up just attacking. And you know, I don't remember her mentioning that any of their food stuff or anything was like got into, you know what I mean? Or anything was even trashed. So that's another one. They said that they were looking for tracks after the next day. Yeah, I'm just saying if there was a bear, they would have found a track, at least something. You think a bear would have at least snooped around, nosing its way into stuff. There has to be something for that bear to do. I know that we don't know that much about sasquatch. We don't know how this could be a different tie or whatever that nature. It just likes to mess with people. We know that they seem like intelligent creatures. So I don't understand. It goes to show that if there was nothing really messed with the bears, wouldn't the bear, like you were saying, probably would have messed with other stuff? Okay, I will sit here and say, okay, the bear bluff charged. Yeah, but it was probably for some reason maybe they had still food there and it was smelling it. So why wouldn't you know? That's the other thing though, for everywhere. I've heard when a bear comes into your camp, it's blatantly obvious. Like they just mosey right in snorting and I can't do it. But that breast. The way they breathe and they slobbering and they just walk right in like they own the place, which they do and just go nosy and through and you actually have to scare them out if you can. That's one of the things weird is if there's a bunch of people in intense like I said, I've heard this and seen examples of it online and such as a mama bear, if she's got babies around, she will literally go for anybody near to protect those babies. They get super aggressive around their babies. But that's the thing is something I'm wondering about and so maybe somebody out there could answer this is will a mother black bear take her babies out in the middle of the night when it would be most dangerous for her babies? Yeah, that's true. I personally don't know. I don't either. You know what I'm thinking though? In all honesty, we need to speak to more people from that area who've had experiences in that area. Definitely we need to speak to you. If you're hearing this and you've had experiences in the Cave Run area, we are really interested in talking to you and please reach out to us encounters@kyxpiles.com. Please let us know. We want to get to the bottom of this. You know what? In fact, even if you're very knowledgeable about bears down there, go ahead and get in touch with us. I would love to just put a stamp on this one. It was a bear or it wasn't a bear. I would love to do that. I feel like that'd be a great bit of progress. But it still doesn't put a stamp on the fact that it was walking on 2ft, the sound of 2ft. So that's still there. But she personally said that she doesn't know what she saw. Personally, she didn't see it. She heard it. And I really believe because I've heard countless encounters where people can tell, like, you can hear the footsteps. Yeah. So I want to take her word for it, because that's something that I think you can tell if it's walking onto the way that it is,

Participant #1:
let's see if it starts running harder. The way it is? Yeah. The way it is is that this thing was probably heavy. Yeah. Because she could hear it. Yeah, she could hear it. And she said something about that. The sound of the ground is kind of hollowish. It's like very actually doing a little reading into that. It has something to do with the rock formations and stuff down there. I don't know the details of it. Then again, it might have been like some type of reverberation making it ducks the sound a lot better. Or maybe it is it was giving it a little bit more extra boom for her to hear. But if it was still giving it that much of a noise, you would notice if it was four legs or just two legs. Right. So I'm still leaning on the fact that I'm leaning closer to that. It was a sasquatch. My gut tells me the same. But I would like to eliminate the black bear. The black bear. The noises, like the sound that she described, it sounded like a bear. But I want to take her, like, the word of the footsteps, because in so many counters, they always say, you can tell that. I really personally can't unless I really take the time to have somebody start walking up on me and hear that I can't be in that situation. But it's something that everybody says that they hear. Yeah, they recognize the two things. I'm going to take her word on that. So if it was that, then I don't think it couldn't have been a bear. Well, it could have been a circus bear. It could have been a circus bear. Maybe a circus bear.

Participant #1:
Mr. Jangles, the circus bear escaped the circus, and he decided to scare them at funny prank that night. I don't know. I think we're getting into just entertaining a guest like that. We're getting into what I would consider just ridiculous more than just saying, hey, maybe there's an archaic human walking around down there. What you guys listening are hearing is we have some rain clouds coming in, and the microphones are set up. In one of these mornings, you know what I'm going to try to do? I'm going to try to capture those sounds that I've been hearing early in the morning. I have to move. This is cold as rain. This is really cold as rain. I'm going to move over here. One little detail that she left in her we're talking about the rockslide. Yeah, the rockslide. Okay. She was stating that. Okay, fish. Her husband went to sleep already. Yeah. Out like a light. Yep. He don't care if there's a sasquatch or not. He's going to bed that's fish. So he's out like a light. She was still pretty shooking up about what just went down. Also, too, she said that she always has trouble sleeping out there. You know, when she's camping, she has a little trouble just getting to sleep. Just a little unease. Yeah, I understand that. I have that same thing. Yeah, I get it. When I get in the tent, I get kind of hearing all the sounds, and it's not so much that it's, like, scaring me. It's more that I'm interested. Like, what is it? What is that? You know, what's that sound? I hear an owl. I'm like, oh, cool. How often do you get to hear an owl? I want to go find it. No, I don't want to go find it. It's scary out there. Go ahead. I'm sorry. She heard this giant like, she said a huge I wouldn't say like a giant boom, but something that it sounded pretty heavy. Something falling down, like, she said, like a cliffside. Because, like, you saying, like, the rock formations there, there was probably, like, a cliffside that just fell down. Yeah, that would have been. She doesn't know if there's two and two because this happened after her encounter. It is kind of odd, isn't it? It was a little odd that this could have been a sign of strength, like saying, like, hey, watch me break these rocks. I'm doing this. What can I do to you? Jesus. Yeah. I never actually thought of it that way. I always wondered about it. I wondered about it when she said it, but I was like, man, I feel like that's a pretty strange coincidence, but I personally couldn't come to any kind of any idea on it. I was just thinking about it because it's in an intimidation factor, too. It's getting heavy here, man. Yeah, it's raining hard. Well, all right, folks. We're getting rained out. It's coming down. Wind is blowing. It's a beautiful Kentucky day. Everything's getting drenched, including us. So we really appreciate you guys listening. Everybody who subscribed to us on YouTube, we really appreciate it. Thank you so much. If you've heard anything about Cave run area or anywhere down there you think it's important, get a hold of us. Email again is encounters@kyxfalls.com. Just shoot us a message and let us. Know. And for all you guys out there listening and most of you guys are Monday Morning crew, I like to call you. Have a good day today and we will see you again next week with another new episode. Catch you on the next one. Oh, yeah.