S115: On the trail of DOGMAN/SASQUATCH with Joshua Grierson

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something that would be in the context of the super. He described it as being a great silverlooking upright Bible creature dragging a deer out of that cave. Going up, pilgrims. Hey, I got a question for you. He goes, do you believe it's demons? And it takes one big step and vanishes. I'm like, oh, my God. That was a bigfoot look at these pictures of this white creature, something seven foot three, eight foot tall, and this bear was standing on his hind legs and he was running like a naked now this is no bear. Now, when it stood up, that's when I knew it was a dog man.

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There we go, we're back again. Again. This was supposed to be our off weekend. Yeah, we finally got ahead and we're like, hey, let's just take a day off. Let's take a day off and relax. And what happens? An interview drops right on our lap and we had to scramble to set the studio up in a hurry. Yeah, here we go. Here we go again. The guy we're going to be talking to is Joshua Rearson. I hope I'm pronouncing that right. If I'm not, he can correct us.

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had got up with somebody from the Kbro, and they had told me to check out the Twin Knobs. He'll have to correct us if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure he said he was a truck driver and pretty much kind of an amateur cryptid investigator. So he reached out after the Candace the Dog Man episode and he wanted to get in touch with her. Then we went on a quest trying to find Candace again because we couldn't get a hold of her for a while. We finally did. We're glad to hear she's okay. And he's actually in contact with her now to set up an investigation to go to her property, her area, and take a look for himself. And then he said that he would contact us and let us know what he finds. That's awesome. I would like to see another set of eyes out there with any of these just because she seemed like she had a lot of activity out there. That was a crazy episode. I remember listening to her when she was telling us, and I was just blown away by the amount of things happening and the detail provided in each individual thing that happened. So I know you wanted to plug the email, get people like Josh calling in, let us know your stories. If you want to put some eyes on something for us and get a hold of us, email us, let us know at encounters@kyxvals.com. We have a YouTube channel. It's gotten a lot of fire on it, too, lately, which is awesome. You can check that out, look us up. YouTube. It's just spelled out one word K-Y-X Files. And you can check out the videos if there's one available for each podcast. And if not, and if it's easier just listening on YouTube, you can do that too. It's all there. Just like and subscribe that. Share it out to your friends. Tell everybody, tell grandma, tell Grandpa, whoever you have to get it out there. And the more info we have, the better. Even if you're skeptic, let us know. Let us know why you don't believe in something. We need this information in front of us. It helps. We want to weed out this stuff. So yeah, I guess I don't have anything else to really plug. I guess we can give him a call, see what he had to say. Make sure. I was pronouncing your name right earlier here. Is it Josh? Greerson. Greerson, yeah. Okay, cool. Awesome. All right, I was going to ask for I mentioned anything you all talk about things in the sky and UFOs. You all good with that? Yeah, for the most part we're pretty much good with everything. We've been kind of stuck on this cryptid thing lately just because so many people have reached out and so much stuff has come to us. So we've been trying to focus on it, but we're not opposed to any of those topics. We're very interested, you know what I mean? Yeah, I've seen a few things, man. I've seen one thing that really grabbed my curiosity after listening to a podcast. No kidding? Yeah. I was coming from Lebanon, Kentucky and I just got to listen to a podcast about how I think it's China airline had passed somebody 6000ft up with a jetpack. Really? Yeah. Well, it was two times they passed a guy in a jet pack at 3000 foot. And then there was another occasion where they passed a guy at 6000 foot up. Wow. 6000 foot in the air. Jesus Christ. Yeah, and it was the airplane. I mean, it was a liner taking people and they had the audio from where the pilot had called it in and asked them if there was anything on the radar because they passed a guy legit back. Jesus. Yeah, that's nuts. I've never seen anything like that. I've seen where people have reported UFOs when they're on taking a flight somewhere and they look out and see something out there and it's keeping up or doing circles around the airplane. It makes you wonder. Yeah, that thing I've seen that night, man, it had a long orange tail. And if you've seen shooting stars when they pass by, they're kind of red in a split second. Yeah, well, this one was orange and it was going fast, but it was going slow enough to where you could see it, watch it go across the sky. No kidding. And I was like, if it was a man on a jetpack, it was one of them right there. Yeah, no kidding. So, Josh, you pretty much reached out to us after the Candace and the Dog man story. And I know me and you've been talking back and forth a little bit since then. Yeah, every time I got a message from you back and forth. And I know we had a little trouble getting a hold of Candace and trying to find her again. Like I said earlier, I'm glad we did. We were kind of worried about her. But you said you had an interest in checking out her place and getting to the bottom of it. Oh, yeah. We're definitely going to get a time set up to get out there and get to looking around and see what we can find on the property itself and put some shovels in the ground. Oh, yeah. Have you done that sort of thing before? Have you investigated? This would be technically the third time I went out on somebody giving me information. My first time we went out to the Pinnacles in Berea, there was a guy that I heard on a podcast that had talked about that area. I said he was run out by six big Ft. Really? Yeah. He was on the National Geographics about it last September. Okay. And he had told me about it, and I talked him into kind of giving me a certain spot to go. So we hiked up through there late in the evening, still during the daytime, and we hiked all the way to the top. What we found, we found two big walled out spots on top of the mount. Couldn't really come to a conclusion of what that was, but there's nothing in my book big enough to be up there to waller these two spots out. That bad. No kidding. Yeah. And then I

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Yeah. And they said it's an active place. So we hiked up through there, and actually, people say they've seen bigfoot everything's quiet. Yeah. So we went through the daytime, but ten minutes into the hike, everything was natural. Birds are singing, squirrels are squacking. And then we get about 20 minutes into the trip that's silent all the way to the top. No kidding. No birds. Nothing, huh? No birds, no nothing. Kept noticing it was humming and going on bottom of them out. So we decided to open our eyes and our ears a little bit more to see if we can see or hear anything. Yeah. So we made our way to the top, and it's like the last loop, because it spirals up, is how the hike is to the top of 20 knots. On the last spiral on the right, there was three tree breaks, and in my opinion, they was done within a day or two because they was still really fresh, really green. It was small pine SAP. One is probably three inches through the center. Okay. And normally when you damage a pine tree, you get pine SAP. Yeah. And there wasn't no pine SAP coming out yet. Okay. So we figured that was extremely fresh. It's not an easy thing to break a pine either. Oh, no. See, I took pictures of them, and one of them I'm not an expert on trees, but I'm pretty sure one of them was a hickory. And I got pictures of a spot. If you look at it, everything's natural, but one spot where you could see where something had grabbed it with force and kind of compressed the outer bark. A hickory tree is kind of stringy, but you could see where it was kind of compressed. I don't know how they do it. There wasn't no intentions on the bottom half. It's just the top half. So, I mean, if this thing broke, it over just by the flick of a tree or something. You're talking about something was pretty powerful. Oh, yeah, but we found those and we looked around. I looked for footprints and stuff. We couldn't find no footprints or anything. But there's a way that you can just cut straight down the mountain without looping down. And we cut down two loops and found another section of saplings that was broke over, and they were all point in the same direction. Okay. But they was all looked over. Well, broke over. Yeah. What would you say the distance between those two different groups of trees? You're probably looking at 200 ft at the most. Okay. And if you looked at them, I would say they were straight in line with each other because we went straight down. We didn't take no curves, no turns, a straight shot. Another little interesting thing I found, where we found the second break is I found a fossil sea shell on top of the what I would say is one of the tallest mountains over there. I found a fossil seashell up there. Wow. Okay. Just sitting there on the open, it's kind of wedged into the hill a little bit. Yeah. But I guess dumb luck found it because I just happened to be looking down. I was like, Well, I'll be damn, that's a seashell. What's that doing all the way up here? That's probably going to tell you the world was flooded at one point. I don't know what it does. Yeah, no kidding. It's interesting. This is the second time in a week that a Cave Run sighting has been mentioned to me. That's one of the reasons. When I read your message earlier, my eye just instantly went to where you wrote Cave Run. And I just did an interview about a week ago with someone who had an encounter right there at Cave Run. Is that right? Yeah, pretty wild. I'll tell you.

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I got three things about Cape Run that was within a year recent. Really? Yeah. Okay. I'll go ahead and tell you about those. So I've got a guy, he's become a really close friend. It's one of my really close friends, and we got connected because one of my really good friends, he didn't believe in bigfoot or anything like that. And I was talking to him about it, and he's like, no, I got an uncle that's crazy about this. I was like, well, you're going to hook this up. And his uncle lives in Cape Round, in a cabin up there. Really? Yeah. So I start off with his property, behind his property. I think he was telling me last year, or towards the end of 2019, maybe in 2020, he had hiked down the back part of his mountain because he's just adventurous. He just likes to be in the hills. Yeah. And he had went down the hill, and at the bottom of it, he found three trash bags that was tore all over the place. Okay? And I believed him because I went with him. When we went to Twin Knobs, we went on over to his house. And the reason I was going down that way is because there was two structures back there as well. Okay. And I've seen one, and I was like, I got to see this. So when we go to Twin Knobs, we're going to go behind your house. So we went down there and he had showed me. Now he thinks, and I think as well, that they took those bags down there and they rummaged through them to get what they wanted. And it was like six or seven month period that he had been back down there. All the trash was gone, all the bags was picked up but one. It was buried under some leaves, and this was 60, 70 foot away from the structures. Now, one structure was a bigger structure, and I'm going to assume they kind of put some of it down, but it was some decent sized trees laid on each other. And then the second structure was a really I don't know why they would have built it. It was small. Okay. Unless maybe saying that there was my opinion, my thoughts about it is maybe that's where a baby would have laid, because it was really tiny. It was like a lean to. But the way it was built kind of blew my mind because I started looking at the structure of it, and one thing that really caught my eye is a lower limb. They had kind of dug out a little ditch in it to lay another limb. Wow. And that threw me. I was like, wow, that's really neat. It was actually engineered quite a bit. Yeah. There was some thought put into it for such a small structure, and I guess if you were to size it up, it was maybe two and a half feet tall, and it just went from two and a half feet to the ground. Wow. That's crazy. And then it was sticks on each side and it was the size of a tree. Yes. I'd like to have seen that. I'd be interesting. I think the geometry of the way they build them is what gets me. Yeah. I look at the picture to see if I took it good enough to where you could see where they had dug out of that one stick to lay that other one. Okay. It's really neat. I'll send them to you. I'd love to see them. We can post whatever alongside this podcast so our listeners can check it out, too. Okay. Pretty cool. Another thing is this guy, he's got a shed behind his house, and every now and again he'll hear him whooping and hollering. Okay. He's seen one down standing down under the hill just enough where you could see the top of the teeth. This is at nighttime. He ran inside to get his rifle. Oh, no kidding. I'm not shy from it. He's interested in taking one down. Is he really? Yeah, we've heard that point of view a few times. It doesn't really bother us. Not everybody has a good experience with them. So being armed out there, I personally don't have anything like I wouldn't want to kill one myself, but I will not fault anybody for protecting themselves out there looking. There's a lot of stories of some violent encounters. Yeah. I've listened personally to everything you listen to on a podcast. I'm now in the middle of listening stuff on YouTube. That's what started it originally. The podcast that got me just turned on to this stuff was Vexed. I started listening to it and found out I didn't know what Dog Man was and found out he had a Dog man radio. Started listening to that, and after I listened to that one, I don't stop on the side of the road, take piss anymore. It won't happen. I hear that. I'll tell you, there's a fear of me shopping on the side of the road. I don't know who's out there might get me. Yeah, I hear that. There's stories. We've listened to quite a few of them ourselves, and there's some strange consistencies going on in them, and I don't know what to think. You know what I mean? The Dog Man, that's a big can of worms to get into. We're going to be going into Dog Man eventually. We have some interesting information about the Dog Man, and we're just not sure how to release it just yet and if it would be safe for us to release it. That's pretty much where we're standing at that at the moment. Eventually we may come together on some of that. Yeah. Depending on what we find. Sounds good, man. The other story with Cave Run is it may have I'm pretty sure it was last summer. So out there, I've seen the spot. They showed it to me as we drove past. It going to Twin Knobs. You passed. It going to Twin Knobs. It's over on the left. So there was a couple that was walking down this boat dock. It's an older boat dock, and they were getting close to it, and they'd seen something at the end of it. What is that? And apparently they had seen a bigfoot at the end of it eating fish. Okay.

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Not sure how they snuck up on it like that. Did they see it pulling fish out of the water or just they said it was sitting there eating two muskets. Wow. They was close enough to identify the fish. Yeah. Now this was a second, I guess you could call it a third hand story. It was told to the guy that lives over there, and then he had told it to me. When he hears something new, he'll call me and we'll talk. Yeah. When I hear something new, I'll call him, we'll talk about it. We stay in the same way with this stuff. We both love the same amount, I guess. Yeah. There's a river behind his house, and I think this was last July. He said there was a family down there fishing, and on up the river, there was another family, and it was starting to get dark, and he said out of nowhere, he heard a big loud howl. Wow. And he said, I knew what that was. He said, apparently the people, the family down there fishing knew what that was, because they packed up and they left. And he said it had again, and the other family on down the river had packed up and left, and he's gotten into it. A little bit of fishing game over there recently, flying drones over his house and out back in the mountains behind his house recently. Extremely recent. Yeah. And I reckon he had got injured because they wouldn't ask him what they was doing, and they just played it off as we're looking for something. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if those black helicopters start showing up. Yeah. Been hearing about that a lot lately, too. He has seen drones tonight, and the way he explained it to him, I can't hardly remember it. Colors on the bottom. And he said certain ones that have, like, flare on them have a certain color light on it. And that's what he had seen another night out by his house. He's getting really curious as to why they're doing this. He thinks they're either looking for bigfoot back there, or they actually think fishing game is trying to track help. Do you know the name of that fishing game, what that would be called? I'm not sure. I didn't ask him. It was something that he told me pretty quick because I was busy. Is that down at the Cave Run area? Yeah. Well, we'll just ask him out here on the old podcast. You got you a fishing game down there around the Cave run area. We'd love to know all about your little drones you're flying around. So if anybody wants to get in contact with us do. So I'm sure there's a lot of people that would love to hear your answer. Yeah. Because they can't deny there's not something over there. There's too many people talking about it. Yeah. There's way too many Kbro. They don't disclaim where they go. But their last investigation was in the Daniel Boom Forest, and I know it's over there. They won't tell nobody. But I'm not a fan of people that we will tell you this and that. I get it, but I'm not a fan of it either. Yeah, we're not either. You've got these researchers that have all this information. They have sounds, pictures, everything. But to keep them to themselves, the whole name of the game why everybody's doing this is to prove their existence. Right. So why be sending you? I think recently I heard a point made by Steve@howtohunt.com. He said that you got to call yeah, the HowtoHunt.com the fax yeah. He recently stated that there's so many people with encounters, pictures, audio. He pretty much went on to say that, okay, we know they're there. He's like, but there's a bigger problem. Why aren't we being educated about this from early on? Why are they not talking about it? Why are mainstream scientists so quick to shut it down? Forest rangers, park rangers, fish and wildlife. You got officials that will straight up, when they're off the records, just straight up tell you, yeah, we know they're out there. We're just not supposed to say. Yeah. The point of that I don't understand. Yeah. Why? Look at June. What's happening in June? They're disclosing information about UFOs and aliens. They said that the last thing that happened with the pyramid. UFO. The Pentagon said that's, not us. Nobody around has that. That's a UFO. Yeah. What I think, and I'm hoping is when they come out with that cryptid side, is hopefully going to slowly start pouring out, too. Yeah, absolutely. At this time of day, man, people need to know. If they ain't tough enough to know, then there's something wrong. I mean, look at this, too. I'm actually me and Tyler are sitting here. We're talking to you from my farm out in the hills of Kentucky. And I'm right here in the middle of hundreds of undeveloped acres of forest. I would say that me and a few other people that live in this valley, we would love to know the truth of what might or might not be out there in those woods. So we could be educated, we could know what we need to do or not do to have one of these type of encounters. Yeah, they could just give you a list of what to do and whatnot to do. Sure. In the military gave a pamphlet to soldiers back in what was it, the 70s, that literally said what you should or shouldn't do if you encounter one of these beings. I'm just saying is that these creatures there's so many people that go missing in these national parks. Absolutely. So why wouldn't you Teach somebody proper, like, what to do in that situation? It's like saying there's nothing out here, and then you just go out hiking in the middle of the night. Something gets a hold of yeah. Well, I think it's not at all or nothing. It grabs you and slings you across the outside. Yeah. It's just crazy. We've had some people talk about that. It could be the lumber industry. Because the lumber industry Is so big. It's $581,000,000,000. Yeah. So if we find out that these creatures Are inhabiting a lot, they move around a lot. So that's an endangered species. You can't take the trees here anymore. So a lot of people think it's a lot of conspiracy behind the hiding of sasquatch because there are So many sightings. No matter what, you believe in this on sasquatch. If you think It's an archaic human, it's a descent, like a lost relative. Right. The gigantopithegus. The gigantopithecus. It's just people are seeing something. They're seeing something. It doesn't matter, like, what we call it. There is something out there that we are seeing. And, like, you guys were just talking about the dog man. I can't wrap my brain around that. But somebody has seen something. I have to say that somebody Is saying laundry, and that's more than one that's seen it. I think that somebody knows more about the dog man than they'd like to let on. And I don't believe that that dog man is a naturally occurring creature, either. I believe that it belongs to us. And I won't go Into Too much detail on that, but I have enough of a pattern on a map to show something pretty big Regarding to that. And I want to know Why they're around. And why does our sasquatch pattern Always avoid them? Now, there was a story I listened to, and it was way back. It involved the indian. And apparently, this tribe had somehow come to a decision, because on one side of the mountain was dog man. This side of the mountain was bigfoot. And whatever they come to was they weren't supposed to take any of the children or women. And what I had heard was something ended up taking a child. And so the indians Went over on the bigfoot side and had, like, tore stuff up, and apparently that set the bigfoot off, and they went after the dog man. Oh, wow. Now, in a bigfoot dog man fight, I mean, most of the time, you hear dog man's, what, six, maybe seven foot? Yeah. If you put an alpha male bigfoot on a dog man like that, I believe if he could get his hands on it that's a hat, lad. Yeah, I think that'll beat him. That's a mile one. Yep. I agree with you there. I think that the dog man's strength Would be in numbers. I know that we hear all kinds of encounters about a solo dog man. But it doesn't sound very dog like to me. No, I always assume there's probably a few more close by. Well, there's other stories that I've heard. People will be in their tree stand. Yeah, there was a guy that was in his tree stand and he watched two of them walking together walk through the forest. But anything in the forest that's like a dog doesn't run on it all, and if it does, it's like a scalp. Yeah, maybe he's there, but there's more. Not very far. Yes. Clearing the way, making sure everything's good or tracking game. Yeah. We just spoke to a man, actually, I think that episode released this morning, robert Judd, who had a story that was either his mother or grandmother told him about. They found a baby dog man in a crate on a tree. I was listening to that this morning. I thought that was pretty wild. Yeah. I say this this just happened, I'd say within a month or two ago. My guy that lives over in Cave Run, he's a vet and he's got family members over in California and it's a family member's friend. And they both spoke to each other facebook because he reached out to my guy and was I told him the story and said, what do you think this is? And he said, I want you to Google pictures of dog man. Now, what happened to this man? Is he's a high line? Okay? He goes to the high lines that nobody can get to in the mountains. He has a special vehicle that will get him places that won't get anybody else. Like, for instance, this man had found a missing person when he was working on a tower. He said he was up on the tower and had looked down beside of a boulder and it was something red. And he's like, yeah, it's a balloon or something got caught up here. So he went back down to his truck. He had forgot a fuse. He went back up, but he got his binoculars while he was down in his truck. And he looked down and he said, no, it's a jacket. So he come back down and turns out there was a man laying there in a jacket. Oh, wow. And the spot was so hard to get into that the cops couldn't get a vehicle up there for at least 2 hours. So he had to go down, get the cops, bring them up. Oh, jeez. Now another day he was up there working. And they can have these devices that will run equipment up to the top. It's an electronic winch. Yeah. And he was up there working and he had heard something howling and he didn't know what it was. He just mashed it off to something. So he was up there working and all of a sudden he had heard something down at his truck and he was on. His way back down to the ground and had looked down and said he had seen something. He said it was massive and it was black and it looks like a dog, like a giant wolf. And said that he was on his way down. And this guy, he packs when he goes up because you don't know what's going to be at the bottom but you jump down. Absolutely. And he packed a Desert Eagles when he packed on it. Fine choice. Yeah, that's what I said. And as he was coming down, this thing had stopped at the front side of his truck and he's like, I don't know what that is. So he clicks his weapon off of safety and he said it had hurt him. And when it hurt him it looked up and it was still on all fours and it looked up and he said the thing smiled at him.

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Wow. Yeah. Okay. Now he had said after it had smiled, it stood up. It went from all force to bipedal. He said that it had come over to the bottom of the tower and was jumping, trying to get up to it, trying to get up to the lower beam, and said this thing was jumping 20ft. Wow. He couldn't tell if he was close enough to get his hand on it or not. But he said he let loose and he said he put 15 rounds into this animal before it finally gave up and went on. Really? When it had finally went on, he said he stayed up there for about 4 hours and blame him. Yeah, this thing was circling. He could hear it circling the area. And he said when he got to the point where he couldn't hear it circling, he got down, he got out of there. This man won't go back to work to work without something of the size of like a 45. He asked my guy, fucking take 15 rounds and run off and be fine. Yeah, he told him. He said, get on Google and look up dognail. Wow. He got on there and he messaged me back exactly what I've seen. I don't know what picture he looked at to clarify that, but he's claiming it's dog man wow. Yeah. For me, I wouldn't have come off that pole without shitting myself. I would probably still be up there right now. I'd be doing the podcast from the tower. I'd probably just live up there.

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This might be a little gross, but the guys I take with me, I always tell some comes out. If he's more than one of them, it's my hard time. Tastes like shit. Yeah. Better chance with you guys. I hear that I've got a pretty good sized rifle that I keep around at all times. It's one of them things where I might not need it. But God damn it, I'm not going to be without it. Dog man or not,

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for me now, I didn't know this is in the let's see. I'll tell you my guy's first sighting of one, his legitimate sighting, he was in Virginia, and he was up in the hills just scouting around the deer hunt. He had his deer rifle on him, and he was walking through this pasture. He said something had caught his eye. And he said, I didn't know what it was. And then I looked at it. I can't believe what it was. He said, I looked at it. I looked at it. He said, Then I dropped my gun. He said, I looked at this thing through my scope. He said, it was no farther than 30 yards. And the only picture I could find, I couldn't find none. I sent him a list of I think it was 60 or 70 sketch artists pictures that the guy had done. I think it was one of the podcasts I've been listening to. I heard him mention that he has a list of sketches that people seem I sent it to him, and he couldn't find that. The only thing he send me was a wood sculpture somebody had carved out with his sight. It's something I'd like to have it's calm. Nothing out of the way. It was just bigfoot and man staring at each other. And that's the only thing he had had happened to him in Virginia. Now he's had that stuff happen to him over at Cape Run. But the rest of these stories all happened in Kentucky. And a general area is stretching from Pipeline, Kentucky to Lecher County. I'd seen mine in a place, it's called Robinson Creek, okay? And I didn't know what I'd seen. I didn't know what I'd seen for ten years until I started listening to these podcasts. I've seen mine from maybe 1000 foot away. It was walking down a hollerfield, and it just got done snow. And I was up there just playing around the snow on a four wheeler. And I come around a bin. I see something walking down the mountain. And I was like, what is that? I said, trying to shut my foiler off so they didn't know I was there. And I kept looking. And I watched this thing for 15 minutes all the way down the holler field. So it disappeared. I told myself after I'd seen it, I was like, I'm going to go down there. I got to see if this was a man or something else. But when I started listening to the podcast, people were saying it looked like a man wearing all black with a black hood on. I heard that for the third time. And I was like, that's exactly what I've seen. Because this is hunting. You don't go in the hills in that area without orange on unless you won't get shot. Exactly. Yeah. A friend of my buddy shot at absolutely. Me, I was on something wild enough for them to know shoot me. But I had a buddy got shot at on a dirt bike, had a family friend that was accidentally shot during coming season, and he actually passed away. He did not survive it. The only reason was because, from what I understand, he took off his hunters orange. And I don't remember if he was going from where he was hunting to his truck or what, but he apparently pro pulled his jacket off and bullet came out nowhere. It's terrible, but it happens. I definitely see what you're saying, though, about wearing your Hunters orange when you're out there. It doesn't make any sense, especially people who are outdoorsy and they know this stuff. You're not going to be playing around on a mountain without some reasonable education. Yeah, for me, Huntington Hills, you can ride through there and see orange everywhere. Yeah, that's not a time I've called anybody in the woods that didn't have or something. Right. And the thing that made my gears start turning after I started listening to these podcasts is I used to hydro seat, and I used to have to go down the mountains dragging a hose and seat all the way up. It's not something easy to walk down in the summer, let alone walking down it in the snow. This thing had no problem. Yeah, it's just taking its time. Didn't see it slip the first time. Didn't see it grabbed the first branch. It just walked out calmly, evenly. And then when I'd seen it, I was like, that's got to be a bigfoot. But I wasn't that into bigfoot at the time. Two years ago, I started listening, and now that's my bread and butter, I can't help. I feel like we're a unique breed too, me and Tyler here. If you go back to the very first podcast, we started on the fence. We were on the fence, and we were setting out to disprove a lot. But if I'm being honest, too many things have come our way and there's way too many patterns and too many consistencies. And from then till now, 1516 episodes later, we're both sitting here talking. We actually stopped one day and we're like, okay, what do you think? And we keep coming back to that as okay, regardless of if it's a bigfoot or what, something is going on. There's something there, there's something there. And we're at a juncture now where we've dissected videos, all that stuff on the YouTube channel, we've dissected videos. We've went into detail about the migration patterns that we're finding. Maybe migration is a bad term, but I'm using migration as a term of I'm tracking the movement of a certain individual bigfoot throughout Kentucky. We've nicknamed him Louie, and he likes to hang out in an area for about a year, and then he moves on after a year. And we've got him all along these rivers and a couple of the places that you've mentioned, that's his stomping ground. He goes right through there and we think they're following deer. Now, here's the thing. Think about this. Out of everything I've listened to, why are 90%, if not more, of the sightings in national forests? Oh, yeah. That's what I can't puzzle. Why are they staying secluded to that government owned property? Yeah. I always assume that maybe there's forests or enormous. There are certain parts of the year where people just aren't allowed to be there. I thought maybe that was something, maybe the seclusion of it, maybe we always hear about the encounters, but do we ever consider that maybe Bigfoot doesn't want to encounter us? Maybe a circumstance, I think through the years that we've made way more of an impact than they've ever made on us. Absolutely.

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100%. They see us way more than we'll ever see them. Yeah. Until you get to the point, the mind speak. You had a lady, it was either on yours or the Odyssey that had said she speaks to them until somebody can actually talk. I've never spoken to anything through my mind. I'll tell you this. When somebody puts me on one, I'll talk to them through my head. I'll talk to it through my mouth. I'll write it to know, but I'm going to see if it's going to say so. Absolutely. That's what I'm looking for. I'm listening. I'm trying to get in contact with certain people. I was debating on who to tell all my stories to, to get my name out there to see if somebody would trust me enough to come out. Because you got these other researchers that come out there hoping, holler. Yeah, there's a lot of that stuff. We lost him. Let's see if we can get him back on the phone here. Oh, I got it coming in here. I think we lost you there, buddy. That may have been my bad. That's all right. We thought maybe Bigfoot might have grabbed you for saying he's grabbing a whole semi highway. They come out there and they don't think about their actions afterwards. And for me, what I do when I actually go somewhere, I stay quiet, I listen. I ain't out there to piss something off, right? I'm out there to maybe sneak up on something or get an outside of it. Because like I told the guys that go with me, you all might want to run off ain't going nowhere until something's like right there in my face. Yeah. And hopefully nothing bad happens, but something does present itself like that. I've got what I need to take myself. There you go. There's always the ethical question, too. We've discussed this, too, with our patterns. We may or may not be able to predict where Louie is going to be and when. But we discussed, well, if we get down to that, are we going to release that? Because the ethical implications are pretty severe. I mean, we're observing to try to help prove the existence, but there are others out there that want to make a trophy. And I always wonder how many researchers out there have struggled with that ethical question and maybe have substantial evidence right there in their hands but just can't bring themselves to make light of it. I tell them right now, you ain't got to tell me where you got it at. You could just show me. Yeah, you could have got that in Alaska. Exactly. You could get it. I work too much to take off to go to Alaska. So pitch is fine with me, man. That's it. I don't care what I run. Bigfoot dogs, man, little people, whatever's out there, I don't care. I got an itch and it's got to get scratched. I understand that. That's why I talk to these people and stuff. I've got stories in places that nobody's got stories at and some people don't want to believe it, but I've listened to these people tell it. The next one I'm going to tell you, it's about one getting killed and it's about one getting shot. I don't know if that one that was shot like it was died. I know it had a reaction to the guy that done it and the guy got a piece of it. But I know that one was actually shot. They watched it drop. But this was in Virgie, Kentucky. Wow. Now Vergie and Robuston Creek. Well, actually, it wasn't Verge. It's Caney. But Virginia and Robinson Creek are right there. Got you. The other stories after this. I'm going to tell you are right above it. Now, the family that I spoke with had told me this story. I was dating a granddaughter, and me and her mama all sit at night time just talk about random stuff. Yeah. And then she just come out and was telling me about her. They said one of those I can't remember, I might remember to say, but getting into the bigfoot part. So they lived at the back of this holler. I didn't say much about it because there are people that still own this property. It's gated off and they are extremely paranoid. They will shoot anything that comes onto their property. Okay. And you absolutely have to have permission to still come on that property. And one of my buddies, which is the person that told me the story is her great nephew, and he got permission to go up there and I'll tell you what happened with him. But back in the 70s, this is when their youngest child was born. So they lived in the back of this holler in a cabin. Now, this cabin house is also haunted, but they had pear and apple trees out back, and at some point they had started noticing pears and apples was disappearing. That was the start of it. Okay, what come out? I don't have super good details about this. I wished I did. Yeah. Because I love a good detailed story where you sitting there and they're telling a story and you're right there with them. This isn't super detailed. It's a piece of what she had told me. So there was a family of four, four bigfoot. And they had problems out of coming up to the windows and stuff like that. And it got bad to where every night when the baby would cry, they would all show up. And one night they had caught one looking into the window over the crib. And the husband said, I've had enough of this. So it was the husband, their dad and uncles, they all come out and it's like clockwork. When that baby would cry, they would show up. So one night they all gathered up on the porch and rifles high clockwork, baby started crying. And they sit on the porch and he said you could see all four of them come out of the woods into the flat. And they kind of debated on what to do. But they kept coming closer. At one of them, one shot hit one of the middle bigfoot and they watched it drop. They didn't go out there. I don't blame them, but they did not go out. They went back in the house because they had all had ran off. So the next day they were going to go out and see what it was. So they went out to where it had dropped. They said you could see the impression on the ground, but the body was gone. They had drugged it off. And that was what I called their confirmed kill. They die or had watched it fall over and it had drag marks. And for me, either dragging a dead body or you're dragging one and screaming and going on. And they didn't mention anything about this agreement. They dropped this thing. So I'm going to assume they didn't enjoy that because later on in that year, they kept coming around. Now their middle aged children walk themselves out of the holler to the school bus stop. And so the two middle aged, one was a boy, one was a girl, they was walking out of the holler and they had heard one holler, they started getting scared. So they just kept on walking to the scuba bus stop. And all of a sudden this thing comes rushing out of the hills on them, runs them all the way back to the house. Oh, wow. This irates the dad. Now the guy and the girl I was really close with. And the man is an artist. And I never asked him to do it because this dude, he's one of them. You've always met one. He's just rough and tough and not afraid of nothing. But that terrified him. And I'd always wanted to ask him, can you draw me what you've seen? Because his mom and the sister and everything, so he can draw you the exact image of what he's seen. I just took the work because I didn't want to bring anything up. Yeah, but that had irated the dad. So it was snowing one night and they started howling and going on, and the dad said, I've had enough for this. We're getting out of here. So he leaves, they get in the truck, he grabs his 44 Magnum, plays it in the seat, and they're driving out, coming out of the holler, there's a barn on the right side of the road, sits right off to the side of the road and said it was coming out. And the mom said, there's one right there. He stops that truck in the middle of the road. He says, I had it with me, gets out, takes his 44, starts walking over to the side of the barn and said, when he gets to the edge of that barn, that thing steps out. He takes that 44 Maggie and sticks it underneath his chin and pulls the trigger. He said when he pulled the trigger, that thing smacked him so hard he landed in front of the truck. Wow. And the wife had told me, he said it took three days to get the smell off of him. No kidding. And I was over the moment. I was like, Holy crap, that's wild. I couldn't imagine what he felt like. I was shot him, too, because I wouldn't know nothing else, doing something from the barn on me like that. Over time. I could definitely see a change of shorts after that one later with me out there, I'd pass out. They don't want every one with me because I'd have been lifeless. But he actually got the shot off, though. He got a point blank, is what he said, underneath his chin. Got the shot off, and when he pulled the trigger, I'm going to assume, in between pulling the trigger and its arm swinging, made up perfectly, and said he got back up off the road, got back the truck and they peeled out of there. No kidding. Wow. Yeah. That's a. 44 Magnum. Yeah. That's a hell of a bullet to take, too. Point blank. Yeah. I always wish that I could get up with them and get her to retell me the story and actually ask details, because she told me the story when I was 19. I'm about to turn 29. It's about ten years ago. Wow. And what I told you is exactly what she told me. And that's the most amazing story I've ever heard. Yeah, that's incredible. That is incredible. I don't know what I would do in the situation. No. And with that property, it happened back in the day, maybe late in his early 80s. I'm not sure how old the youngest is, but with the great nephew we got talking about it and stuff, he's like, I want to go up there. He went up there one night and he got permission to get on the property. They knew he was there. And he says he pulls up there and pulls off to the side. He said, I wrote my windows down. I shut the truck off. He said, I sit there for about an hour. He said. Then I ended up leaving. I was like, Why'd you leave? He said, something started screaming bloody murder. Like a woman was being murdered. Yeah. I was like you sure wasn't Mountain Bobcat. I'm 100% sure, yeah. I've heard that scream from about 30ft away. And it's not nothing that you want to stay around for. I can attest to that. It sounds like a woman. Like, exactly what he said. A woman screaming bloody murder. And for the last 20 years, I've had that scream stuck in my head. And only recently, maybe five months ago, I heard the scream again on a YouTube channel called Thinker Thunder. And once I heard it, it made the hair on the back of my neck stand up just the same way it did the night it happened. Yeah. I don't blame him for leaving, put it that way. See, I've never heard that screen. I've heard all the other ones. I've not come up on the one that sounds like a woman's screen. Now, where I live, when I moved there, I think it was four or five months ago, I come across Kvro. I got on their website, and I live in Owen County. It's like 20 minutes from Frankfurt, okay? And I got on their list, I was like, what? They've got accounts in Kentucky on their list? And I was like, well, what's happening? I got on there, they've only got one thing. And it happened back in the there's where he is. Five farmers took Harry creature into a cave. Footprints laid up to the cave. No footprints coming out. They searched the cave, couldn't find nothing. Now, the reason I started looking into that was because last November I know it's cold. With my job, I choose when I want to drive. How? We get a bit cheap. We beat our route. And at this time, I was going to work at three in the morning. Okay? Where I live, it's country, farmland, little mountains. Not nothing too big, but just minor mountains. Where I come from, we got big mountains, but they got, like I don't know what you call them. Medium mountains. Yeah. But I come out of the house. I don't want to wake the kids up or nothing, and I hear what it sounds like. You couldn't tell what they were saying, but it sounded like an older woman and a young girl talking. Okay? I was like, who's that? It's three in the morning. He's outside talking to their youngest. And I shut the door and my porch light comes on and it stops. Dead stops. I was like, well, that ain't weird. Yeah. And then two weeks later, I come out the door and I'm hearing a woman screaming. I'm like, what is that? It was nothing that scared me or anything. Blood. Carolyn it may have been far off, and it just wasn't as good as what you got. But it was definitely a woman screaming, but not like bloody murders. Like, she was really mad screaming. And my neighbor, my next door neighbor, she's like, hey, she'll come outside that lake and the people that live probably an acre behind me are being an island, and they just don't act like that. Yeah, for that, I couldn't figure out what that was. And then in December, I was coming out and I was coming home. This had to be at least a mile away. They talk about some bigfoot yells, sound like a wind up fireman siren. Yeah. The older ones that they wind up. Yeah. And that's what I heard. And it went for like, 30 seconds, stopped for 30 seconds, and it done it again. Okay. And at first I was like, no way. But remembering all the things that I've listened to and studied is how long the scream is, how long taking a breath in is, and then most of the time you'll get another one. Yeah. Wow. So for me, we've got a lot of WMA land. Oh, yeah, sure. I mean, patted down hunting. There's no high powered rifles, only black powder, and you can only bow hunting. And I think they're over. So they're there. But I think why they was there was they was heading somewhere else. Yeah. Passing through. Yes. But also we're not too far from what is it? Jefferson is where a hot spot is right below Louisville. Yes, that's it. That's our guy. That's our guy right there in that area. The Jefferson area. That's Louie. We've been watching him from afar. We put it together just by reading. We read an incredibly long list of sightings, and we had to weed out the ones that didn't make sense. Yeah. See, I can't find nothing on that area. Nothing worth reading because there's a place over there called the Memorial Forest. And they didn't say this, but I guarantee you that's where they're headed for their next expedition. It's a kvro. Oh, yeah. Because they said it's close to Louisville and it's Jefferson. It's right side Louisville. But that's what I'm trying to do is I had a guy message me and tell me, check out the Memorial Forest. That's a hot spot. Okay. So soon enough, we're going to do that, too. Tied on with Candace. Oh, yeah. And out of this, if somebody's got them on their property and they want some down to our countryfellers to come check it out, where you do? Absolutely. We ain't going to do you wrong. We will cause you no trouble after we leave. Another thing that I wanted to say that I listened to on The Odyssey, and this is the only dude that said it the same way that I believe in it is. Do you all know William Jemdening? No. Sure don't. Okay. Well, I'm not promoting his stuff or anything, but the dude is informational. But also, I think he thinks he's a knowitall. Okay. Yeah, there's a bunch of those. Yeah. Well, he tracked families of them and stuff out in the Sierras and stuff like that, but he has a podcast called Creek Devils, and he's got three segments. First segment is a regular radio show, second segments, Q and A. Okay. Now, his theory on footprints, he's got an algorithm, that's what he calls it, of being able to tell how big one is through footprints. He's got all kinds of steps to it, and everything I've listened to, apparently there's one other dude in this world that thinks of it the way I do, and it matches up. It 100% matches up. You hear somebody talking about saying they found a 20 inch footprint. Yeah. And then that's the first part of their siding that they'll tell you, I found footprints, I measured it's 20 inches. And then they get into their siding, and then they ask, well, how big do you think it was? If you take that footprint and you just divide it by two, you're going to get the height of that bigfoot. Okay. If you listen to any of this stuff, pay attention to that, and they'll be like, it was a 17 or a 16 inch print. Divide that by two eight foot bigfoot. Okay. It seems like a pretty straightforward way to a pretty straightforward way to get a measurement. Yeah. That guy, William His has got like three or four stats to it. I'm just about ready to email him. I mean, I just divided by two. We're just divided by two. I listen to 2500 of these things, I promise you. That's how you do it. But another thing, I don't know if it's your last show or the show before you all talk about Todd standing. Yeah. The big question I got, if he's faked at all, the last one he had on video, the black face one, that's pretty questionable. Yeah. He was video of a black man underneath the tree. Caboda, I think I can't remember what the name he gave it was. Yeah. Now, the first one, I say that's closest to a patty, not bigfoot. The second one is my big. My huge question, what in the hell was that? The thing we've discussed here is we don't believe that Todd has faked his way through. We think that he had something happen. He had an encounter. Yeah. And we always wonder, if you've had an encounter and you're passionate about the subject, what length would you go to keep it going to keep it alive. Yeah. So I don't know if he faked everything or not. I know on that second one, the one you're talking about, it didn't have a shoulder. The eyes didn't blink. It didn't have a shoulder. It looked like it didn't even have eyelids. Yeah. It looked like a doll. I mean, The first one. Why does the leaf in front of its face disappear in the second frame when he changed positions to film it from a different angle? Why didn't it even acknowledge him? I mean, we're talking about a creature that's probably got us beat in the wilderness 100 to one. What about samurai? The woods is what it is. Yeah, this is the elite, this is the most elite survival observationalist that could ever have walked the Earth. And it didn't even bother to glance over at the direction he was sitting in as Todd standing, the world's greatest camouflage expert, invisible. I know, that's what I'm saying. It was questionable. Like I said, I'm not really here to tear Todd apart or anything and none of the other researchers, but I believe that Todd saw something at some point and maybe it's just it comes down to circumstance. Maybe something happens. Now, we just went over something recently, which we'll be releasing on the YouTube probably this week, about the power of the 7 Hz frequency, which is infrasound that people keep discussing. And we're actually going to be doing a test with infrasound to prove that it disrupts cameras. Okay. The reason we wanted to do this was because the big problem out there were the blurry foots. There are so many blurry foots out there, but then you say, I'm glad you're doing that. Out of everybody that's big in this world, why haven't they thought of that? Yeah, that's why we're doing it. We're trying to bring a new set of techniques. We have some unconventional techniques we want to try. If you're out there and you're exploring and you want some pro audio and pro video out there to capture stuff, let us know. We'll come out. We don't mind. We want to get as many eyes on this and as many opinions on this and then we can start to figure out if there's a pattern to it all. The Infrasound thing I think, is going to be a big deal because it causes a lot of the things that people experience in their encounters. And it definitely people that's been wasn't the one that died over it, probably there's so many yeah, we were talking about the electronics. We've had people say that their electronics literally shut down. I'm curious about the battery power dying quick, and I think that's where most people are getting the ghostly stuff out of it. I think that the 7 Hz frequency. When it hits an electronic device, even a battery, it's basically a vibration that's disrupting the way that thing works. And everything on Earth works on different vibrations. So if you disrupt that, even the human heart, mind, the intestines, kidneys, everything, if you subject those to a certain frequency or range of frequencies, it disrupts them. It will send you into an immediate flight or fight. And like I said, we'll be releasing that whole video this week sometime. Sweet. I can't wait to see that. I'd like to see that. Yeah, man. So there's a lot out there, and there's definitely a science behind this. I have a little bit of trouble when it comes to the mystical side of the subject because

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we're just a couple of analysts and investigators. Where do you put us in regards to the mystical side of that? We need data to test and to run these things and to find the patterns, and there's just not a whole lot of that for us. Yeah. Trying to find that out. The orbs connection, the disappearing sasquatch thing. Yeah. It's crazy. Well, that invisible thing, there was a lady that put a video up on YouTube. Have you seen that one? Where she captures something invisible, which you could still kind of see the outline of it jump out of a tree? Oh, yeah, I did see that. That was actually in Ohio, wasn't it? I think it was. Did you listen to her tell her story about it, though? Yes, I believe I did. And it came right out of the tree. She was in a deer stand, wasn't she? I don't know if she's in a deer stand or I know it was her and another person, because I may be getting confused. It may just be her, but her story behind it was what she got on video wasn't what she seen. She seen something black jump out of the tree, and the video caught something, the outline of an invisible object coming out of the tree. Okay. Two different stories. I actually heard another one that is very similar to that. This lady, she was literally deer hunting behind her and her husband's property. And the husband is elderly. He's not as mobile as he used to be, but she still liked to go out and do it. So she went out there, and she was sitting in her tree stand, and this invisible thing started to creep towards her out of another tree. And her only thought was she snapped a picture with this little this happened probably about a decade ago or more, a little Nokia phone. She snapped a picture, and in the picture, there's blonde hair. Oh, wow. But what she saw was invisible. She just wanted something to take to her husband to show him. And while that was happening, the same moment that was happening, about 5 miles from that area, there was a high school football game going on where a UFO stopped over the game, and everybody there saw it, and then it vanished. So really crazy stuff. And here in the one you're relaying here and putting those two together, that's pretty wild. Something invisible or dark, shadowy, whatever. And then when you come to look at the evidence, it's not even that. It's something different. That's an interesting reoccurrence, right? Yeah. No one there's more than one person that's seen that. They probably don't know each other. They probably don't. I make up, something like that. It's so obscure, too, you know what I mean? That's a really obscure tale. How would you just land on that as your story? I mean, it'd be so much easier to say, I'm in a tree stand. I saw bigfoot. And you can file that with 41,000 other sightings, but this one is so unique that's what always makes me wonder is if these people are hoaxing, especially in regards to Louie, the one we're tracking to Kentucky. If it's a hoax, it's got 20 plus people cooperating this hoax over a span of almost two decades across the state of Kentucky. Yes. They all have to be in on it with Louie. What's his distance right now that you've tracked Louie? The last one we saw was shit, he was in northeastern Kentucky heading into Virginia, I want to say. So we actually need to go to Virginia's map next and start looking there and see if we can find him. It's overwhelming because of how many sightings you come across, and not all of them are Louie. Louie has a certain way he acts and moves, so it takes us a while to go through all of the others and kind of weed them out. Like, oh, here's one that just popped out at a farm. That's definitely not Louis. He's not interested in farms. He never has been. He likes the rivers, he likes lakes. Every time somebody spots him, he's not hanging around, he's moving, he's on his way somewhere else. He's not there to see them or impress them. They catch him for a little bit and he's gone. So he's got a certain movement pattern, and he's heading northeast across if he's headed towards northeast, do you think he's headed towards the what is that? Towards, like, pine mountain? He might be. We know that he skirts certain places. I'm seeing this with air quotes right now. There's military bases that are apparently shut down, and he goes around those. He doesn't stick very close to those. The only one interesting area that I found was I'd have to bring the map up right now just to be able to tell you the exact, but you can see it on the video. In southwestern Kentucky, early on, there was an area where there was a couple of dog men sightings. I don't know how substantial those were, but Louie went around those. He did not stick to that area. He gave it a wide berth and went around it, and then he kept going on his path. So I was really interested in why he avoids the military bases so much. Yeah, I think you got something there. We're not sure how we want to release that. Pretty cool that you've got it funneled in to one mr. Louie. What are the key things that you look for to know it's Louie with Louis, he's always on kind of a linear when I say linear, I'm saying this very generously. He's somewhat linear to his path. He likes the rivers and he likes the lakes, and he never strays very far from them. I don't know if he's using that as a constant water supply, food supply, or if it's just a navigational marker for him. Maybe he's like, hey, this river is not going anywhere. I know where it leads. I'll just kind of skirt it. I'll follow it. He makes pit stops. He stops at lakes. He hangs out there for a while. He keeps going. It looked like on the map he had a little bit of trouble in land between lakes. We're not really sure what to make of that because there's a lot of stuff going on down there. Yeah, the land between the lakes that's got Dog Man and Bigfoot at it. Well, sidings of it. That's kind of our vein of thinking there, too, because every time we find an area where the two overlap, there's always weird inconsistencies. The only thing I could assume was they're avoiding each other or one after the other. Yes. I don't know, but with Louie, he likes to hang out in an area for about a year, and he moves on. He's not exactly loafing and he's not exactly hustling. He's just kind of mosying. He's not really in a hurry.

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It's almost as if he's enjoying the area for a while, but he doesn't overstay it. And that's interesting to me because that denotes that there's an intelligence there that Louise. He's not dumb. He knows if he hangs out too long, eventually somebody's going to see him. It's time to move when it's time to move, as the accounts that you read on and stuff about Louie has. He gave a good description of him they call tights, but he looked like a dude or something else. I think he's a male. I think he's between seven and a half, 8ft tall. He's got darker fur than the average one. I don't think he's one of the reddish furred ones. I think he's dark, dark brown, maybe black. I don't know. He's definitely a big boy, and he's definitely startled several people along this path that seemed to give a good description of his face. I don't think so. Do you recall? I don't remember any real big facial features, but there was a couple on there that I found that they had, like, sketches done. And this was actually illustrated with color, too, so it had the same kind of color, same kind of features that people were talking about and other gear back encounters with Louis. It's about a 20 year span, too, which is pretty well. He hasn't really slowed down either in 20 years. That's another thing I find very interesting. I don't think they age like we do. I really don't think they do either. If you look at what they eat, we can get as much junk as we want. They're eating everything from the earth. Nothing garbage they put in our food is in their food. Oh, yeah. And I believe you want that with the agent thing. I think there's some you could probably look at, say they're over 150 year old. Yeah, easily. I really do think that. And also, I know this is going to be controversial, but there's a lot of experts out there that swear up and down that there's at least a population of what they say, 400 or more. I just don't agree. I think that's way overshooting this. I think that we're looking at something that's much smarter than that. It's not going to overpopulate because it's not the nature of the species to for the most part, yes, they come together in family pods when it's needed, but for the most part, they do wander, they run and they look for resource and they live that way. And I just don't see that as an animal or an arcade human, whatever you want to say. I don't see that as something that's going to just breed and breed and breed and breed and breed. I think they're much smarter than that and they have a biological memory inside them or instinct telling them, hey, this is how many we have, this is enough. Yeah. I don't think they would exceed no more than a family of four. Yes, that seems to be the common. What people keep saying is if they find them in groups of four, usually a young baby or an adolescent, a smaller one, and an adolescent, something like a teenager. Yeah, it's pretty wild. Yes. I love to be put on a family of them. There's hundreds of people that have pods or groups or families, whatever they want to call them absolutely. On their property and stuff. And normally when you hear all that, you get more positive interaction with them other than, like, if you just run across one and then they go with the black ones are nicer than the red ones. Right. Why would a red one be pissed off all the time and the black one would I always wonder, too, if some of the encounters with the solitary bigfoot is, what if he's in the rut? If it's running season, wouldn't you expect him to be kind of puffed up and aggressive during that time? I mean, to me, that makes sense. If he's on the hunt for a female, looking for a female, we don't know how much distance he is to be able to find a woman. So what if during those little moments we're actually catching him in the rut, it's almost like a temper tantrum. He's banging on houses, he's throwing rocks, he's breaking shit. I mean, there's a lot there. There's so much room for, you know, abstract thinking and non abstract thinking on this that I really feel like we just got to keep on weeding it out and keep on looking at every detail we can find. Yeah. What do you think? I don't know if you've heard anybody talk about it. Have you ever heard of a Bigfoot Haven? No. That's a new one for me. All right. That guy, I don't know how he finds these people, but he finds the older people that's got 30, 40 years into it. And he had a guy on there that he didn't give specific locations to places, but he said, if you go here, I promise you, if you leave and you didn't have a bigfoot encounter, it's your fault. No kidding. And he talked about a place that he had been to a couple of times, and he said, it doesn't happen every year. It could happen every year or every two to three years. And he said, I call it the Bigfoot Haven't. It's a place in the mountains that if you get lucky enough to find that, there are, like, a big pack of them. He said that the one that he had seen it was by a lake or a pond or something in the hills. He said the younger bigfoot was playing in the water. Yeah, he said they were, I would say, three or four standing in a circle like they were just talking. And the way he described it is it's a place that multiple families just meet up. Okay. He got it on there. I know Nick's good about putting something on there and they're taking it off. You know, it's funny, too, because that actually collaborates pretty well with something I noticed recently. We were actually driving a big truck, delivering it was, shit, four months ago or more, I can't remember. But out in the middle of Ohio, there was this giant field with what were they called? Kingfishers king fisher birds and big old pointed, beak, dinosaur looking bird. There must have been millions of them out in the middle of the field, nowhere near water. Like they all just met up there. And we both kind of sit there and look at that like, man. It's funny. At that time, I almost had a thought that this is important, but I don't know why. That's pretty neat, though, an idea that there are certain geographical locations where animals meet up, maybe to further bloodlines and almost like an open formal. Here's my kids. Here's your kids. We should make these to these later on and keep on going. What do you think? Arrangement. That was something that I thought like, they say that you don't normally hear people talk about a family meeting with another family, but it does happen. What turned my gears a little bit is, well, if this one has a female that's this age and this family has a male at this age, do they try to match them out? Yeah, maybe. They say kind of like a dog. They save the scent or something. Maybe I can smell that female. And maybe later on, when he grows to a full grown or whatever maybe he remembers that smell and goes looking for I don't know. It's interesting. Like I said, there's a lot of different things, but josh, we're coming up on about an hour and a half here. It's about our limit for what we're allowed to upload. I don't know if you wanted to check in with us again here a couple of weeks or something. See, we continued on. Or if you get to meet up with candace, maybe we could follow up with that. Yeah, I got to try to get a date and set up. My brother just found out he had to go with that. He goes on stuff with it. So it'll be at least more than two weeks. Okay. Hopefully within next month. And if anybody out there is leasing that, like I said, wants to trust in somebody to come out, look around. I don't care to drive. Okay. But if I'm going to drive two or 3 hours, they absolutely has to be something there. And it has to be constant. But absolutely. If it's close, local and you think there's something there, I don't mind to come out and look. Another thing we could do is if we find anything as we go, we could always send stuff your way. Hey, send it my way, brother. I got your email address, and if anybody reaches out to us, all we need is your permission to give them your email address and go from that. Yeah, that's good with me, man. I really appreciate you all talking to me and throwing stuff back and forth. Can't wait to hear what you got found out about. I'm excited about that. One of the things I'm going to knock off my list one day is I want to see one of them. I don't care how. I got to see it. Yeah. I don't know if I'm right there with you. I'm just worried that if I release this, that dog men are going to come looking for me afterwards. And that's the part I'm wrestling with. Hey, but let me tell you something. You think they're going to come look for you? My guy in cape run back you. He's dead on one. All right, that sounds good. We really appreciate you, man, reaching out to us and bringing some great stories. And some great info to us, man. Definitely going to do what I can to help you out and further your own personal quest. I appreciate it, man. Like I said, anything bigfoot, man, little person, father have. Hell yeah, man. Well, we're glad you're out there doing and going to the places. That the rest of us are scared to go, man. Like I said, I'm the one that ain't afraid. I promise you that. Right on, man. But yeah, brother, we definitely appreciate it. We'll keep in touch, man. I'll keep checking in with you. Hell yeah. Anybody out there listening? You got something on your property? If you got something that's not quite right. Send some stuff to us. Send it over to us, encounters at KYX files.com. And if you really need it, we will put you in touch with Josh here and maybe he can come out there and sort it out. That would be pretty awesome. All right, Josh. We appreciate you, man, and be safe out there. All right, brother. Appreciate you, man. All right, man. Take it easy. Leave up. What do you think, man? That was pretty wild. He wash it. Yeah, that was a lot of stuff. He's definitely out there looking. I've definitely heard a few, definitely more than a few people say that to go looking for the stuff is a dangerous game to play, but we need one of them guys to come around every now and again. The guys that are willing to jump in like that there's. Good old boys. Yeah, good old Kentucky boys. That's how you got to send in. Hold my beer. That's it. He said he's going to be well. He actually said he was already in touch with Candace and they're working out a time and when they're going to get together. I can't wait to see what he comes up with. Yeah. Honestly, we said all the time on this, we look at other stuff that people already looked at, so it's good to see a second set of eyes, so that's good to actually get him out there and do that. I really would have liked to go out there myself, but we don't have that much time. Yeah, time is a problem. Always just getting the time together to do this and the research we've been doing, it's already expensive enough, but everybody out there listening, we appreciate you. Thank you for all the subscriptions, all the follows, the good feedback reaching out to us, letting us know what's going on, what you liked about the show. We had a few people reach out about our actress, our voice actress that entered the show. It's pretty cool. She's great. Catherine Kev. She's awesome. Really appreciate her. And this will be uploaded probably in about two weeks. So you guys are in for a lot of good stuff. We're going to keep it coming and let that car go past and start that one over. So, yeah, this one will be released in about, I'd say maybe two weeks, maybe one, two Sundays from now. And then we've got a lot of content to follow, so stay on the ride with us, guys, from the get go, we brought you in here with us to try to sort through all this. And the pile is not getting smaller. There's a lot to look at. If anything. It's getting bigger. Yeah, it's getting bigger. It started going down, but it just got bigger instead, I think Bigfoot Hijacked, our podcast. Yeah, I was wanting to talk a little bit more about other things, too. I feel like we would get to that, but there's so much about bigfoot that you just can't really it's hard to ignore it. It's hard to ignore it. Yeah. I would definitely like to get into some of the other subjects, but I know I feel like we're going to be busy with this one for a while, and then at some point we're going to have to present a conclusion. And I'm dreading that moment as much as I'm excited for it, because I know at that moment, definitive things are going to be said and we have to be willing to stand by those things, regardless of the different information that we're getting over a period of time. But thanks, everybody. We appreciate it. We will see you on the next episode. You guys be cool out there. Out. And we out.

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